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| Degap on Ben | 5 | 13:38, 26 May 2011 |
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What do you want in the Ben successor, Ya NanoNote?
Solderless serial connector without interference with keyboard :P, IR (LIRC compatible) ,GPS, and/or some kind of low power modem radio like Jeelabs are using in his JeeNodes, I thing this tree "easy" to integrate peripherals can boost a lot the applications of such little device.
WIFI,BT are too much power hungry/complicated/qickevolving and bloated to include right now.
I'm playing with my Ben Nanonote right now. Great little toy. :D
I'd love a Ya Nanonote with:
- integrated WiFi and/or Bluetooth (or at least: double SDIOHC slot and optional BT/WiFi cards)
- larger screen within current shell (why so large a bezel...)
- USB host
- higher capacity battery (2x-3x)
- optical mouse (like in Samsung SGH-i780: works wonders)
- backlighted keyboard
- smoother keyboard: Ben's keys are hard to press
- 2x-4x RAM
Fernando
Although it´s power hungry my wish for the Ya would be Wifi. Wifi really opens up a lot of possibilities. Also a larger screen / higher resolution would be great.
Regards, -Thomas
Some method of adding external peripherals or devices and external connectors for existing features.
Some thoughts that come to mind:
Several GPIOs - for implementing I2C, 1W, etc via bit-banging
CF - not just for flash, but also for CF WiFi, CF GPS, etc
WiFi - could be low power if a pair of decent antennas can be built in to the lid
BlueTooth
ZigBEE - 1mW should be enough for anybody :)
Line-IN/mic connector
USB Host
UART connector (both ttyS0 and ttyS1 on the same connector)
JTAG
etc
An "expansion port" could be created that would combine more than one of these into a proprietary (but documented) interface using standard connectors, a single- or dual-row 0.1" pitch header (could be male or female), for example.
With the expansion port, it would be easy to create a prototyping board that would either plug directly into the port (remember the Handspring Springboard modules?) or would connect via a short ribbon cable. This would encourage development and help with troubleshooting.
With a little work, the external modules could supply power independently to the devices on the module or even power the Ya, appearing as a 2nd battery, reducing the need for a larger battery.
When using the expansion port or CF, etc, the device would not necessarily need to be contained within the Ya. For instance, the CF card connector could be about 1/4" inside the case, just enough to hold the card securely.
-Rich
if doing a expansion port, perhaps one could borrow the layout bug labs use on their modules? http://bugcommunity.com/wiki/index.php/Exploded_Connector_Diagram
this port came to my attention: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/PDMI
Some sort of wireless connectivity. Wifi, bluetooth, zigbee, anything would fine.
Some sort of Pointing stick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointing_stick would be awesome! I would definitively buy one with this feature!
kid of late but why not add a small vibrator small devices tend to have one to notify when something happen
I am wondering whether Ya will still be Ingenic SoC based. I have some experience with JZ4750/JZ4755 based PMP/MID, so I'd like to give some suggestions. Though JZ4750 is more powerful, it is an BGA chip and is more complicated. However, it could support two SDIOs for WiFi and SD card, and it has USB Host and more GPIOs too. JZ4755 is QFP based and is cheaper and easier, however it only has one SDIO and no USB Host. Therefore you could support the SD slot and use the SD based WiFi Card instead. For the screen, JZ SoC uses SDRAM interface, therefore 32MB*2 RAM is popular. Of course, you could choose 64MB*2, but they are much more expensive. Considering the limit of CPU speed and RAM size, 4.3inch/480*272 screen is a better choice. If we do not care too much about the cost, we could use JZ4750 with SD(TF)/WiFi/FM/USBHost/Keyboard/UART/128RAM/StereoSPKer/CVBS/4.3inch480*272TouchScreen Or a easier design JZ4755/SD(WiFi)/FM/Keyboard/UART/64RAM/4.3inch480*272TouchScreen
An essential thing to add would be a NIC i.e wifi with a hardware on/off switch or an ethernet port.
also a normal sized USB host port to plug in regular USB accessories like memory and wifi sticks would be great
My wishlist:
- Wifi with on/off switch (would be amazing) , or ethernet port
- Normal sized USB host port
- Better serial interface
- 64mb RAM
- Widescreen to match the keyboard width
a jz4760 processor. at 700mhz, it would be almost useable as a normal computer.
A small battery for RTC. Is is hard to implement? In Ben the time is reset once you remove the Battery or the the battery is drained for some time. which is very bad.
Also either there should be a line-in port or the line out port should be configureable as line-in/line-out/mic-in. I really look forward for Ya be be used as a good Digital storage Oscilloscope for moderate troubleshooting.
As earlier mentioned if the Piezo Buzzer is not finding much use case that it can be replaced with a vibrator.
Things I think are in the realm of reality:
OLED display for lower power-consumption and better outdoor visibility.
More screen per lid (less of a huge border around the display).
More RAM (64M~256M).
A second SDIO slot.
Built in 802.14.5 "atben" with an internal antenna, and external antenna connector.
Optionally expandable battery.
Non-glossy display finish (hooray, glare).
Contention with other suggestions:
No Bluetooth/WiFi/3G built in, as we're trying to stay copyleft and steer clear of patent encumbered hardware. (end-users can use second SDIO slot for this if need be)
Fantasy:
Perhaps (big perhaps, as OLED is expensive) a larger formfactor (like the Jornada 720).
A second CPU, or a single dual-core cpu. (preferably still MIPS-compatible).
Milkymist has almost all the features that I would like in Nanonote, better video capability, ethernet,VGA, etc. A companion device like a video player derived from Milkymist would be a good idea.
I would like to suggest some changes in the Ben Nanonote keyboard. The dedicated arrow keys plus the volume keys could be replaced with number keys. (there will be 6 keys, need to find 4 more :)). The volume key actually could be moved to the side. It would be better if the keys usually used in command line the '>' and hyphen can operated without modifier key. At least there has to be locking for number keys. A home key also would be useful.
If possible, either or both usb host and sd card slot not just microsd as there are a lot of fun devices that could viably be used then :D
my biggest wish is an integrated 3G modem. what I'm looking for is the cheapest, smallest, lightest computer for remote log-in into other computers. I have gnu screen sessions with always-on IRC, servers, my home NAS etc.
even the 3G plan would be affordable, transmitting text from and to unix terminal doesn't use up much bandwith. OpenWRT is an OS precisely made for networking and enabling internet access.
then in order of preference : - a higher screen resolution to cram in more text or make it more readable. 80 columns text
- bluetooth, this has many uses. small gamepads to play old console games, file transfer, limited network connection, audio, interfacing into micro-controller setups with a bluetooth/serial gateway, etc. But, SDIO bluetooth cards seem affordable. possibly the only common SDIO card.
- internal micro SD slot. I like that my expensive flash just doesn't hang outside.
- usb host. here you can plug in keyboard, a hub, powered or not, ethernet, wifi etc.
what I don't want
- wifi. power hungry, spectrum is crowded, public hotspots are filtered sometimes only allowing port 80 and 443. - ethernet : a RJ45 connector is too thick anyway. won't ever buy a laptop or netbook without ethernet but we can compromise on this and ethernet access can come through USB host or device. - huge memory or fast CPU
bonus specs : - video decoding hardware in the CPU, at least divx - FM radio just as with the Dingoo - whatever manages to fit in and costs nothing
No bluetooth. By default, bluetooth's UUID is visible. Hackers can detect bluetooth's UUID and hack the computer/tablet/phone.
No Trusted Platform Module (TPM) or ARM's equivalent of TPM which is TrustZone. Processor's serial number (PSN) not be read in userspace. Not be visible online.
post any questions or tech support requests for your Ben NanoNote here...
How to display Chinese character in NN ? Since i cannot find /usr/share/i18n, and openwrt seems don't have "locale". So I don't know how to setup. Could someone give me a direction? Thanks.
I´m trying to communicate the SD port with a FPGA which simulates a SD card. What i want to do is to send a data by the SD port, any idea how to do that?
I'm hard of hearing in noisy environments, so my application idea is a "smart hearing aid/music player/noise canceling ear phones", ie. I want to be running the thing continuously, with the lid closed, in my pocket, with (at least two channel preferably more) microphone input and two channel audio out.
1) Can it run with the lid closed? 2) How long will the battery last on one charge?
Thanks!
> 1) Can it run with the lid closed?
Yes.
> 2) How long will the battery last on one charge?
I have measured about 5 and a half hour runtime with the display turned on and the cpu decoding ogg vorbis audio files. You can expect it to run some more hours when you turn off the display backlight (which you won't need anyway when you close the lid).
With only cron running (I was testing maximal battery time) it was running from 1 am to 6 pm, more or less. Around 15 hours, but without processing anything or the like, also the screen was off (it auto turns off after a while) and the lid closed.
Ruben
Hey, what is the entry for the micro sd card in /etc/fstab? thanx for help Hans
OpenWrt use UCI system, please checkout: http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/uci http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/uci/fstab
xiangfu
A few things. One. Would this thing be useful to make a robot with?
these questions are all related to each other, I guess, so I'll make them one big question. Can I get a graphical text editor (gedit) running on this thing without much complaint? Also, could I run a webkit based browser (like midori), or would that kill the system's limited RAM? And can I connect USB Wifi adapters to the nanonote, like an old Linksys b/g antenna (http://www.vdhsoft.be/memo/19495.HTM for reference purposes)? It works flawlessly under other Linux distributions, but I was thinking about using that in conjunction with my Ben, to connect in a few places and get online, partly to show off, partly to have fun with it. Also, does the gmenu based GUI lend itself easily to running more than one program at once (e.g a small IM client, like Finch, and Dillo/midori/lynx), or will I mostly be running one program at a time? If it doesn't run well, how well does this system work with the byobu (Screen's more mature cousin) system?
That was a long one. I have two more, one's a technical, the other one is sort of random. So, on the technical side. It says something about shorting two wires for updating the Ben. How do I go about doing that? I'm pretty new to electronics, but in my experience, shorting wires usually leads to shocking the crap out of myself. If someone would like to post a tutorial, I'd be pretty happy with that, since I have no idea what I should do there.
Finally, in all the images of gmenu2x, I see that big dock on the top, and that little bar on the bottom. Is there any way I could reverse those, so I could have the big dock on the bottom and the little one on top, like a little GNOME desktop? It's sort of a silly question, but I wasn't sure.
How can I emulate this software? Ideally I'd like to emulate this using virtual box with the correct screen resolution.
Also What programming language would you suggest I use to write for this device (specifically at this screen resolution)
Thanks!
Hi, i am new to the nanonote, worked fine for a bit but now won't boot up beyond the open wrt splash screen... goes blank after printing -i2s mapping ok. any help?
River226,
Does the screen stay blank after pressing a key?
Did you flash your image or install any software before you started seeing this problem?
Before the problem occurred, had you set up your NanoNote to connect over USB? I'm particularly curious if you can still ping or ssh into the device.
I have been playing with it, but i have not flashed it yet, and i can't remember if i have tried usb boot before or after this problem, but i know i tried it around the time of it.... but i have not tried to ping it yet, because i get a blank, and stays that way even after i press keys.
I have seen this before in cases where our NAND/ECC handling got confused by flipped bits and stopped booting. Fortunately several NAND and ECC related bugs have been fixed in recent months, so I would first try to just reflash your NanoNote to the latest software. Or try booting from a microSD card, and when you are at it you can try Jlime too.
Hi, I recently re-flashed the software in my nanonote and now it wont switch on, I cant even try to reflash again as I cant get it into USB boot mode and lsusb doesnt find it. No error messages on screen, I have tried charging the battery, the screen does not light up and stays blank and it doesnt appear to be powering up. Any suggestions?
I've been searching for a long time for a device that is low on EMF emission (low-frequency electromagnetic radiation). Netbooks have about the same EMF emission as notebooks, but e-books have almost no EMF emission, even e-books like the Iliad which don't have a processor that turns itself off. Since the NanoNote has a low voltage battery (lithium 3V instead of 15V in netbooks/notebooks) and the MIPS processor it uses was originally meant for e-books, this could be the ideal device. Could someone tell me what the EMF emission for the Ben NanoNote is? Thanks in advance.
Hi, I have a new Ben Nano Note and I am having problems getting it to switch on. It never seems to respond to the power on button, but can be made (sometimes) to switch on by removing battery/connecting USB lead etc. I have not been able to get it to power on today at all.
I tried the reflashing procedure, which worked, and the device powered on. After shutting down, it reverted to not powering on very often. Could this be a defective unit?
Thanks,
Update: Pressing the recessed reset switch on the back of the base of the Ben, seems reasonably reliable in getting it to start.
Update2: Still problems "powering on" today. A little progress however: when it did power up yesterday I set up ssh access with password via USB cable. Now tonight, when I try to power it up, nothing visible happens, however the Ben does respond to ping and I can ssh in over USB, just the display is not powering up for some reason.
post any questions about copyleft hardware, Qi hardware, fun and games, here...
Hello,
I seem to not be able to find the electronic plans for the NanoNote. Where can I find them?
Also, can you tell me which company manufactures the NanoNote if that is not a secret...
Best regards, -Thomas
Schematics are here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Lb60_schematic.pdf
Manufacturer is Sharism at Work in Hong Kong, GGV in Beijing, and Sunty in Shenzhen, and then many other component and part vendors like Giantplus for the LCM, Ingenic for the CPU, Samsung for the NAND, etc. We want to document all of them, and all production steps, but it's a work in progress and will take quite some time.
Thanks for your interest in our device!
Hi,
two month ago I tried to find a bank to get a kfw-credit (public credit with good conditions) to finance the development of a dvb-s2 router hardware as open source. No bank agreed, thoung I was ready to to provide 100% security for the loan. Two banks even offerend me a bank-credit for it after declining the public credit, I was very upset about this behaviour.
Anyway, I would prefer to work in a team. If anybody would be interested, I could tell about the idea of the device.
Peter
Can you tell us more about the idea?
DVB-S2 router with - two F-plugs to be connected by coax-wire to LNBs to receive DVB-S2 - one ethernet plug to be connected to the LAN of the building - one powerplug
- to be installed near the satellite parabol antena / LNBs, hence to avoid coax cabeling and using the LAN
- to be used by web GUI to select the TV channel and to watch a received TV channel, no software to be installed on client - maybe later on some more protocolls to transmit into LAN
- Linux, VLC and a driver to interface the D sorry I break and will go on soon
- Linux, VLC and a driver to interface the two DVB-S2 tuners / transport stream decoders
- with two buquets (transponder channels), we have 8..10 TV channels to be streamed to 2..3 clients in parallel
- I found a Marvell ARM Microcontroller (see openplug) to best fitting
- from hardware to software all should be open source
- prototype versions could be sold for maybe 300€ (with the support of a credit), later on it could reach 150..200€ covering development and production cost
Questions, remarks ?
Peter
Yeah, Do you have public source code? also it use a floss-like license, There is a prototype running?
You will never get the captcha (editing without an account) right unless you allow cookies, this should be mentioned or better yet changed.
Degap is a port of dega["Dega is a Sega Master System, Sega Mark III and Sega Game Gear emulator"]. Can someone compile & test it? It only needs SDL and C for compiling. You can find it under: http://sourceforge.net/projects/dega/files/degap-1.14.tar.gz/download .
@Amoibos
thanks for the link, you can also try to send such email to mailing list.
here is the package I compiled:
http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/xiangfu/packages/degap_1.14-1_xburst.ipk
when I run, it give me: root@BenNanoNote:~# dega degap: no ROM image specified
where I can find the ROM to test?
Thank you for that. On smspower.org you can find legal(homebrew) roms. However some work is needed to speedup the program, i guess it makes perhaps 5fps.
committed:
[new package] dega: a emulator for sega master
system and game gear which uses SDL
http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/938af2c
I am using this rom : http://digilander.libero.it/sambevolley/smspower/20em1.zip it works fine. only problem is very slow. can not even play, it give me a lot output like:
resetting audio_len resetting audio_len resetting audio_len resetting audio_len .....
Hello, i have a new version with some improvements in speed(and removed some unnecessary parts). Next step, i'm trying to contact some developer from the MAME project for help in Z80.C.
Download dega-1.14-NanoNote-Edition.tar.gz @ https://sourceforge.net/projects/dega/files/
THX amoibos
updated: dega: using nanonote version source code http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/6f32e10
@Amoibos, please consider include this patch in next release.
thanks for the nanonote-edition. I tried with same 20em1.sms, still slow. but sound output is gone.
other small thing:
you package files mode is all 0000, like [d--------- dega-1.14], I have to run [chmod -R 755 dega-1.14].
I got Supertux running on the Ben. I used libsdl-mixer.ipk from OpenWrt because Supertux doesn't run without sdl-mixer. I just downloaded the Dingoo Binary here and it worked like a charm!
Sadly this has two problems: Sound doesn't work which isn't that surprising but the bigger issue is that it crashes on saving.
So i am asking here if anyone would like do a proper Supertux port for the Ben since being able to play Supertux on it will greatly improve its commercial success. ;)
Here is the Source. Shouldn't be that hard.
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