| wpwrak | utf-8 bringing back retro graphics. so it's good at least for something :) | 13:06 |
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| wpwrak | FB1 has two 82 outputs. typo ? or do they mean something else than an index ? | 13:07 |
| wpwrak | also, what are the inputs ? | 13:08 |
| wpwrak | ah, the inputs are what's on the right. and 0< is an inverter, not a driver that produces 0 from anything :) | 13:11 |
| kyak | wpwrak: utf-8 is bringing away codepages nightmare. And for that it's great | 13:15 |
| kyak | ; | 13:21 |
| kyak | wpwrak: if you don't see that, you are not utf-8 ready :) | 13:21 |
| wpwrak | ASCII needs no stinking code pages :) | 13:54 |
| wpwrak | the english language is also a fine example that you don't need any fancy accents or such to have all sorts of different pronunciations for the same "base" letter | 13:55 |
| wpwrak | and spanish demonstrates nicely that you can have new sounds by combining two letters, without anyone finding it unusual. i.e., the "ll" | 13:56 |
| wpwrak | with a little effort and good will, we could have a nice simple unified alphabet already, still with room left for the parity bit :) | 13:57 |
| larsc | you'd still have to deal with pre-unification texts | 14:06 |
| Fallenou | spanish demonstrates also that you need ~ over n caracter :p | 14:06 |
| Fallenou | which is not ascii afaik | 14:07 |
| larsc | not ascii, but it's in one of the code pages | 14:07 |
| wpwrak | Fallenou: this gets regularly transcribed as "n" or "ni". and as i said, in english, the same character or even whole word can have wildly different pronunciations. and people don't seem to make more mistakes than in other languages. | 14:12 |
| wpwrak | Fallenou: even in spanish, you have significant differences depending on the region. for example, the "ll" is a soft "sh" in argenting and uruguay and something like "li" in the rest of the spanish-speaking world | 14:13 |
| Fallenou | if your point is that we could get by without non-ascii caracters, I guess everyone can agree on that :) | 14:14 |
| wpwrak | Fallenou: also, "y" is a soft "sh" in .ar and .uy but an "ee" (english pronunciation) in .* | 14:15 |
| wpwrak | yeah, that's the point :) most languages are already pretty much there. it would have been a very minor effort for them. | 14:15 |
| Fallenou | that being said, I'm not a chinese expert ^^ | 14:16 |
| wpwrak | larsc: yeah, legacy texts ... well, the publishers may have enjoyed the opportunity to refresh their copyrights :) but yes, historians would have hated that | 14:16 |
| wpwrak | Fallenou: the asian languages would certainly the biggest problem. of course, also there transcriptions exist. and they don't seem overly cumbersome - might actually be more efficient than the original script. i don't know if the transcriptions lose some nuances, though. | 14:17 |
| wpwrak | Fallenou: the time when asia was pretty much under the boot of the west may have been an opportunity for such a change. of course, nowadays it's more likely that we'll have to learn simplified chinese :) | 14:18 |
| wpwrak | Fallenou: there's also precedent for old scripts dying out. e.g., how are your celtic runes ? :) | 14:19 |
| larsc | wpwrak: You only find spelling bee competitions in english speaking countries, because for every other language they'd be to trivial | 14:19 |
| wpwrak | larsc: hmm, a good point. but they should be able to do it in asia. there it would be even harder :) | 14:20 |
| larsc | hm, apparently cadence does not want people to download their stuff | 14:25 |
| larsc | if you click a download link you get a form where you need to fill in your personal information and if you complete that form they'll send you a download link | 14:26 |
| wpwrak | spamgourmet is your friend :) | 14:26 |
| Fallenou | (celtic runes): ahah , and elves symbols | 14:27 |
| larsc | on my company email I don't get these confirmation mails, on my personal mail account I get them but when I click the link it says, 'download expired, please retry' | 14:27 |
| wpwrak | there are even sites that generate a complete fake identity, complete with postal address, phone number, etc. | 14:27 |
| wpwrak | ah, you already accepted their deal | 14:27 |
| larsc | yea, need it for work | 14:28 |
| wpwrak | seems that your company spam filter already knows that it serves no purpose and thus filters it :) | 14:28 |
| roh | fake postal addresses.... heh.. schenker just failed delivering to a existing one | 16:21 |
| wpwrak | see, it makes no difference :) | 16:24 |
| wpwrak | for instance this one: http://www.fakenamegenerator.com/ | 16:27 |
| wpwrak | even gives you a credit card number. hopefully invalid :) | 16:28 |
| lekernel | http://www.charbase.com/1f4a9-unicode-pile-of-poo | 18:19 |
| wpwrak | ((-:C | 19:21 |
| wpwrak | this is also a nice example for the limited usefulness of all this. now you have an encoding for anything including your dog's excrements, but hardly any software will display the underlying glyph. | 19:46 |
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