| kristianpaul | http://wiki.xilinx.com/open-source-linux | 00:47 |
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| wpwrak | looks reasonable | 00:58 |
| wpwrak | as long as they don't forget to work on getting those goodies into mainline | 00:58 |
| kristianpaul | wolfspraul: http://wiki.xilinx.com/zynq-linux | 01:16 |
| wolfspraul | what do you think? | 01:17 |
| kristianpaul | besides ". A minimal BSP for Zynq has been pushed to the mainline (kernel.org) and is available there. " | 01:17 |
| kristianpaul | wolfspraul: i like :) | 01:17 |
| wolfspraul | xilinx's strategy seems pretty clear to me, as with any good faith effort of course I wish them success! | 01:17 |
| wolfspraul | the zynq chips will only be generally available next year I think | 01:17 |
| wolfspraul | and we don't know prices | 01:17 |
| wolfspraul | and we have very good problems to solve on our current m1 | 01:18 |
| kristianpaul | i mean if all goes upstream and their zynq cheaps get to floss comunity is a small step | 01:18 |
| wolfspraul | things that make us more agile and faster in the future | 01:18 |
| kristianpaul | ooh sure | 01:18 |
| kristianpaul | just thinking about upstream | 01:18 |
| wolfspraul | and even if the chip is out and price becomes clear, I would still wait a year to see whether it gains tracking | 01:18 |
| wolfspraul | or two | 01:18 |
| wolfspraul | semiconductor business is tough | 01:18 |
| wolfspraul | most chips "don't make it" | 01:18 |
| wolfspraul | but xilinx sees that they come under margin pressure for their 'bare bones' fpgas | 01:19 |
| kristianpaul | yeah i know | 01:19 |
| wolfspraul | so they use those chips increasingly as a cash cow and try to invest in future high-margin businesses | 01:19 |
| kristianpaul | i'm in hurry to test lastest xilinx -7 new cheap, but just reading | 01:19 |
| wolfspraul | all fine by me, just that I don't care since they don't give me a monthly paycheck :-) | 01:19 |
| kristianpaul | he | 01:20 |
| wolfspraul | oh definitely, the -7 chips and ddr3 and all that is something we should already go for | 01:20 |
| wolfspraul | and llhdl :-) | 01:20 |
| kristianpaul | most chips "don't make it", and both xilinx and altera had been trying this for years.. | 01:22 |
| kristianpaul | lets see :) | 01:22 |
| kristianpaul | it looks like they got upstream in qemu as well, not bad | 01:25 |
| kristianpaul | anyway :) | 01:25 |
| wolfspraul | and brands are important in chips | 01:32 |
| wolfspraul | at least I wouldn't know how to navigate the semiconductor industry without brands | 01:33 |
| roh | hey wolfspraul | 01:40 |
| wolfspraul | hi | 01:40 |
| roh | seen this: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sps32/sec_news.html#Assurance | 01:41 |
| roh | i hear that its about ProASIC3 .. but its afaik not noted in the paper | 01:42 |
| roh | in short: backdoor via static aes key in a 'secure' fpga which enables decrypting and dumping of the design stored in there crypted | 01:42 |
| wolfspraul | he | 01:43 |
| wolfspraul | but what does that mean for us? | 01:43 |
| roh | that we are on the right path searching for a way to opensource hardware (and have tests to see if what we do isnt building backdoors) | 01:44 |
| roh | and that even fpga doesnt mean one is safe against such backdoors and attacks (well.. in this case we dont need to care as long as we dont try to trust the hw to store keys for us) | 01:45 |
| kristianpaul | yes, remenber sebastien post about that topic? | 01:45 |
| roh | i like the idea of zync (if open enough) | 01:46 |
| lekernel | hopefully, this publication will make some noise and hackers will give a bit more of a shit about hw, and we won't see things like www.fsf.org/blogs/community/task2-openmoko anymore | 07:44 |
| bkero | what publication? | 08:00 |
| lekernel | http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sps32/sec_news.html#Assurance | 08:00 |
| lekernel | ahem... http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sps32/Silicon_scan_draft.pdf | 08:36 |
| GitHub54 | [llvm-lm32] sbourdeauducq pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/2zokFw | 14:25 |
| GitHub54 | [llvm-lm32/master] Add bare metal 'elf' environment - Sebastien Bourdeauducq | 14:25 |
| GitHub95 | [clang-lm32] sbourdeauducq pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/EvgBWg | 14:26 |
| GitHub95 | [clang-lm32/master] Bare metal 'ELF' toolchain that runs as and ld directly - Sebastien Bourdeauducq | 14:26 |
| GitHub31 | [milkymist-ng] sbourdeauducq pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/vRxywQ | 14:41 |
| GitHub31 | [milkymist-ng/master] software/common.mak: use clang + lm32-elf binutils only - Sebastien Bourdeauducq | 14:41 |
| GitHub31 | [milkymist-ng/master] software: platform configuration file for compiler-rt - Sebastien Bourdeauducq | 14:41 |
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