wolfspraul | can a spartan-6 drive TTL logic? | 00:16 |
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wpwrak | in case anyone has their printer choke on the AD-generated M1r4 schematics: the magic conversion is psnup -Pa1 -pa4 -f -1 <input.ps >output.ps | 00:26 |
wpwrak | the stuff is in A1 (!!!) and has X/Y swapped (but has "portrait" orientation) for extra fun | 00:26 |
GitHub38 | [board-m1] adamwang pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/milkymist/board-m1/commit/97b7bd5182825c6a9d9dd7cc082468c7537e6023 | 03:42 |
GitHub38 | [board-m1/master] Misc.sch: 1. mirror few leds to not overlap '2' pin number. 2. added lables for leds - Adam Wang | 03:42 |
GitHub77 | [board-m1] adamwang pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/milkymist/board-m1/commit/2de62f1fd6ec5e1f09878bb1a3f558cd1456006f | 03:44 |
GitHub77 | [board-m1/master] Misc.sch: removed duplicated lable. - Adam Wang | 03:44 |
mischief6 | hello | 05:16 |
mischief6 | sebastian just gave a presentation at noisebridge :-) | 05:16 |
larsc | wpwrak: i'm highly skeptical until i've seen it for real | 06:09 |
wpwrak | well, for compilers, this was pretty much the standard for the last five decades or so. wouldn't be too bad if also synthesis tools finally make at least a token effort at catching up. | 06:11 |
larsc | ups | 06:22 |
larsc | i meant wolfspraul | 06:22 |
wolfspraul | larsc: just from what I read on the web, I have the feeling xilinx is very serious about vivado | 06:38 |
wolfspraul | looks like the plan is to slowly let ISE fade away (which will take years, with all the inertia among their customers, even longer) | 06:38 |
wolfspraul | and throw it all behind the super-uber great vivado, integrating *everything* and turning xilinx from an 'fpga company' to a 'can-do-everything chip company' | 06:39 |
wolfspraul | ahem | 06:39 |
wolfspraul | something like that | 06:39 |
wolfspraul | good thing they have their faithful fpga customers finance all this - it will take years and maybe go nowhere. we see. for sure all this will be slow, vivado won't even be released until later this year, etc. | 06:39 |
wolfspraul | there are only 2 high-end fpga makers left now, altera & xilinx | 06:40 |
wolfspraul | the endgame is near | 06:40 |
wolfspraul | and after that, they will have more latitude investing outside of their old (fpga) core business | 06:40 |
wolfspraul | that's how I see vivado, guessing from the outside... | 06:40 |
wolfspraul | I hope one day we see some action in llhdl and a free toolchain again | 06:41 |
larsc | me too | 06:57 |
larsc | anyway, off to work | 06:58 |
larsc | only 2 minutes left ;) | 06:58 |
larsc | nah, didn't make it in time :/ | 07:15 |
guyzmo | ola | 19:09 |
guyzmo | I got a board that has a quite old firmware to flash | 19:10 |
guyzmo | which is runnnig flickernoise 0.1 (20101119 built) | 19:10 |
guyzmo | and this one does not support internet connection | 19:12 |
guyzmo | shall I use a sdcard ? | 19:12 |
guyzmo | or shall I go using flterm ? | 19:14 |
guyzmo | and can I upgrade directly from a very old version to the newest using its flash procedure ? | 19:19 |
mwalle | guyzmo: do you have the jtag board? | 20:38 |
mwalle | in that case the old flash conent is irrelevant, you can just program it via jtag | 20:39 |
guyzmo | mwalle - I found the reflash_m1.sh | 21:10 |
guyzmo | and I'm reflashing all the M1 I have :) | 21:10 |
guyzmo | thanks to xiangfu liu :) | 21:11 |
sb0 | hm | 21:11 |
sb0 | is that reflashing the release, or some git snapshot with bugs that could be avoided? | 21:12 |
guyzmo | lastest qi release | 21:12 |
guyzmo | I don't know which one is better | 21:12 |
guyzmo | though rtfm told me to use --qi | 21:12 |
guyzmo | :) | 21:12 |
sb0 | best is to use stuff from milkymist.org/releases | 21:17 |
sb0 | oops milkymist.org/updates | 21:17 |
guyzmo | uh | 21:18 |
guyzmo | is it that different ? | 21:18 |
guyzmo | I just reflashed 4 MM1 from qi's repository :) | 21:18 |
sb0 | what version were they running before? if they're not too old, you should be able to just run the web update ... | 21:19 |
sb0 | and don't open the case etc. | 21:19 |
guyzmo | they were running 0.10 | 21:19 |
sb0 | there's no 0.10 | 21:20 |
guyzmo | but now I upgraded all to firmwares from qi that are dated april, 4th | 21:20 |
guyzmo | 0.1 | 21:20 |
guyzmo | flickernoise 0.1 (20101119 built) | 21:20 |
sb0 | ha, yeah, that's very old | 21:20 |
guyzmo | :) | 21:20 |
guyzmo | it's now running flickernoise 1.2 dated | 21:21 |
guyzmo | 20120402 | 21:21 |
sb0 | mh | 21:21 |
sb0 | not sure if it has the "no flash filesystem" bug... maybe | 21:22 |
mwalle | whaaa its harder to get a patch into uboot than into linux | 21:22 |
mwalle | argh | 21:22 |
guyzmo | sb0 - when shall it happen ? | 21:23 |
sb0 | either way that reflash_m1.sh script should use milkymist.org/updates by default | 21:23 |
guyzmo | I can test it | 21:23 |
sb0 | if it does not.... xiangfu should fix it :) | 21:23 |
guyzmo | it's the wiki that shall be fixed : http://www.milkymist.org/wiki/index.php?title=Flashing_the_Milkymist_One#Automated_JTAG_method_.28for_developers.29 | 21:24 |
sb0 | guyzmo, I don't know exactly, and I don't care either - it's fixed in head now, and the releases don't have it. | 21:24 |
guyzmo | $ sudo ./reflash_m1.sh --qi | 21:24 |
guyzmo | :) | 21:24 |
guyzmo | sb0 - well, tomorrow I'm doing a Milkymist workshop with many veejays | 21:24 |
guyzmo | so I hope it won't fail | 21:25 |
guyzmo | but latest release from updates are from march 1st, 2012 | 21:26 |
guyzmo | let's hope it's ok | 21:26 |
Action: guyzmo crosses fingers :) | 21:26 | |
guyzmo | sb0 - and the handbook and the http://milkymist.org/wiki/index.php?title=Flickernoise_Patching_Language wiki page appart | 21:26 |
guyzmo | do you know where I can find useful informations about flickernoise patching | 21:27 |
guyzmo | ? | 21:27 |
guyzmo | I'm gonna need as much documentation I can have tomorrow | 21:27 |
sb0 | there isn't any that I have not sent to you, ie check the milkdrop guides and ml archives. the two people who should have written it did not. | 21:28 |
sb0 | or three if you count me | 21:28 |
wpwrak | sb0: (no flash filesystem) you men the permission issue ? | 21:29 |
sb0 | yes | 21:29 |
wpwrak | s/men/mean/ | 21:29 |
wpwrak | okay. that's very easy to detect :) | 21:29 |
wpwrak | guyzmo: once you have them updated, if they can render _anything_, they don't have that file system problem | 21:30 |
guyzmo | wpwrak - ok, then it's already tested :) | 21:30 |
wpwrak | perfect :) | 21:31 |
guyzmo | so sad I only got one camera for tomorrow :/ | 21:31 |
wpwrak | ah, clarification: render = run any patch. only the gui doesn't count. | 21:32 |
guyzmo | wpwrak - of course, but it rendered a patch at boot just after the flash | 21:32 |
guyzmo | the one with the white dots | 21:32 |
guyzmo | I considered it tested once I saw that one | 21:33 |
wpwrak | yeah. then it's fine. | 21:34 |
sb0 | (my opinion about this doc not being written is that it's more a symptom than a cause, and the project needs more radical change than just good documentation) | 21:38 |
guyzmo | sb0 - you're talking about the flickernoise's documentation ? | 21:39 |
sb0 | yes | 21:39 |
guyzmo | well, I'm not a big fan of graphic processing programmation | 21:40 |
guyzmo | and I'm neither a fan of veejaying :) | 21:41 |
guyzmo | so I can't really tell, about that :) | 21:41 |
guyzmo | but all I know, from veejays I talked with, is that they'd love to have a MM1-like box, that can works with digital output, and with what they can make the same kind of effects as with after effects, or illumin8 and many others I don't remember the names | 21:43 |
guyzmo | to be able to do vectors, 3d and mapping in real time is really what makes them tick | 21:43 |
sb0 | and did these people have any precise idea of what FN does before saying that? | 21:47 |
sb0 | probably not :) and that's part of the problem. | 21:47 |
guyzmo | well, usually they have as much a precise idea as what I can tell them | 21:48 |
sb0 | I don't think it makes much sense to copy after effects, either | 21:48 |
sb0 | then Apple will do it better | 21:48 |
guyzmo | but well, tomorrow I'll see what the people say about it | 21:49 |
guyzmo | and this time those people will take the time to sit and try it out | 21:49 |
sb0 | what it does should be made obvious by the design of the next-gen M1/FN | 21:49 |
guyzmo | sb0 - and what would be the improvements that are to come, so I can tease a bi tomorrow ? :) | 21:51 |
guyzmo | t | 21:51 |
guyzmo | (I don't have time to read thoroughly the mailing list) | 21:51 |
sb0 | try to find the notacon video (in nickfarr style...) - got bags to pack | 21:54 |
sb0 | going home tomorrow | 21:54 |
guyzmo | well, I've packed everything up too | 21:55 |
guyzmo | ready for tomorrow :) | 21:55 |
guyzmo | good night and good trip ;) | 21:55 |
sb0 | it's 3pm where I am now :p | 21:57 |
guyzmo | ahah | 22:02 |
Action: guyzmo & | 22:02 | |
sb0 | bye | 22:04 |
wpwrak | hmm, symptom ... | 22:21 |
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