| qwebirc19070 | Hi! | 00:46 |
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| qwebirc19070 | Would you ship the Milkymist to Argentina? | 00:47 |
| kristianpaul | Hello | 00:48 |
| kristianpaul | of course :) | 00:48 |
| kristianpaul | But you should get power adapter sepratelly i think | 00:48 |
| kristianpaul | qwebirc19070: sorry was your name? :) | 00:49 |
| kristianpaul | Hi btw | 00:49 |
| qwebirc19070 | HI! | 00:49 |
| qwebirc19070 | I'm Pablo | 00:50 |
| qwebirc19070 | Power adapter is not automatic? | 00:50 |
| qwebirc19070 | 220/110? | 00:50 |
| qwebirc19070 | I've seen the Milkymist presentation in Brazil... I loved it. | 00:51 |
| kristianpaul | it requires 5V 2A if i recall right | 00:52 |
| kristianpaul | great, had you me Jon and Werner then? | 00:52 |
| kristianpaul | i said this about power adapter since wpwrak reported this will cause more troubles with customs | 00:52 |
| kristianpaul | i think you should write to sales@sharism.cc to clarify this | 00:53 |
| kristianpaul | or go straight http://sharism.cc and buy it :) | 00:54 |
| qwebirc19070 | YEAH! I met them | 00:54 |
| qwebirc19070 | yap, better not including the adapter | 00:54 |
| qwebirc19070 | great, I will do it. | 00:55 |
| kristianpaul | he is here to, wpwrak and rejon nick names are | 00:55 |
| kristianpaul | awesome ! :) | 00:55 |
| kristianpaul | What are your plans once get it? | 00:55 |
| qwebirc19070 | oh, great! I even traveled back to Buenos Aires with wpwrak | 00:55 |
| qwebirc19070 | hehe | 00:55 |
| kristianpaul | Do you work with visual performances or related field? | 00:55 |
| qwebirc19070 | I do some acting during my sister's show. | 00:56 |
| qwebirc19070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmd2LqkbJL0 | 00:57 |
| qwebirc19070 | And I'd like to add Milkymist to the show... we are about to release a new album. | 00:58 |
| qwebirc19070 | ... and when rejon introduced the MM, I thought it was perfect for my performances... since I could interact with the musicians | 00:58 |
| qwebirc19070 | Using the camera... | 00:59 |
| wolfspraul | qwebirc19070: definitely just order in the online shop, absolutely no problem about Argentina | 00:59 |
| qwebirc19070 | GREAT!!! | 00:59 |
| wolfspraul | the one issue though maybe the power supply, though I'm not sure how bad that really is | 01:00 |
| kristianpaul | :D | 01:00 |
| qwebirc19070 | I'm eager to test it! | 01:00 |
| wolfspraul | what I can offer you is this: we ship the m1 to you without the power supplies, and ship the power supplies separately in a cheaper way (non-fedex). maybe just a small parcel or letter or so. | 01:00 |
| wolfspraul | they will arrive much later though if we do it this way | 01:00 |
| wolfspraul | or we leave them out entirely, we use very standard 5V and 12V DC jacks | 01:01 |
| wolfspraul | (5V for the M1, 12V for the camera) | 01:01 |
| qwebirc19070 | But a 5V power source is VERY common... I can use one of the tens I have in a box... | 01:01 |
| wolfspraul | yes | 01:01 |
| qwebirc19070 | yeah! | 01:01 |
| qwebirc19070 | :-) | 01:01 |
| wolfspraul | ok then we leave them out | 01:01 |
| wolfspraul | thank you | 01:01 |
| qwebirc19070 | great! | 01:01 |
| qwebirc19070 | Anything else you recommend including in the shipping? | 01:01 |
| wolfspraul | the only other thing I sell is the Ben NanoNote, that device only makes sense for big time free software connaisseurs right now :-) | 01:02 |
| wolfspraul | say if you think that mutt is the best email client in the world | 01:02 |
| wolfspraul | then you may want to throw in the Ben NanoNote as well :-) | 01:03 |
| qwebirc19070 | not mutt, I'd love elm | 01:03 |
| qwebirc19070 | ;-) | 01:03 |
| qwebirc19070 | hahaha | 01:03 |
| qwebirc19070 | elm over UUCP... POP3 is too modern for me | 01:03 |
| qwebirc19070 | I used to configure sendmail.cf by hand... | 01:03 |
| qwebirc19070 | ... so I will probably include the Ben too! | 01:04 |
| kristianpaul | *g* | 01:04 |
| wolfspraul | even better, they are both serious products and we put our whole hearts into this stuff | 01:07 |
| qwebirc19070 | I know, It's really evident and I really support the concept behind these products. | 01:08 |
| Action: kristianpaul check wikipedia about uucp | 01:09 | |
| kristianpaul | wow before tcp/ip !!! | 01:11 |
| qwebirc19070 | I used to do administration on a Santa Cruz operation | 01:12 |
| qwebirc19070 | (SCO) | 01:12 |
| qwebirc19070 | I replaced it with one of the first Slackwares... great suffering having to compile EVERYTHING | 01:12 |
| qwebirc19070 | Sometimes I can't believe that we have "apt-get install apache" now... hahahaha | 01:13 |
| kristianpaul | xD | 01:13 |
| qwebirc19070 | One more question, wolfspraul... does the Ben also use standard power supplies? | 01:18 |
| kristianpaul | It uses generic usb type b cable | 01:19 |
| qwebirc19070 | wow, great | 01:19 |
| kristianpaul | mini usb** | 01:19 |
| qwebirc19070 | I'm so happy, these two beauties will do my self-christmas present. | 01:19 |
| qwebirc19070 | f** ! My card is not accepted... | 01:25 |
| qwebirc19070 | I will try later, there has been some changes in Argentina regarding dollar buying... | 01:25 |
| qwebirc19070 | Thanks a lot for your help! Bye!!! | 01:25 |
| wolfspraul | qwebirc19070: if you have card problems, you can also email me at wolfgang@sharism.cc to work it out | 01:27 |
| kristianpaul | band, nice all dmx, midi there ! | 01:32 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: what? | 01:35 |
| wolfspraul | (don't understand the context...) | 01:35 |
| kristianpaul | youtube video link above? | 01:36 |
| kristianpaul | 19:56 < kristianpaul> Do you work with visual performances or related field? | 01:36 |
| kristianpaul | 19:56 < qwebirc19070> I do some acting during my sister's show. | 01:36 |
| kristianpaul | 19:57 < qwebirc19070> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmd2LqkbJL0 | 01:36 |
| qwebirc19070 | That video is from my sister's band | 01:36 |
| qwebirc19070 | Ignacia | 01:36 |
| qwebirc19070 | :-) | 01:36 |
| qwebirc19070 | She is open to MilkyMist sponsoring, of course! ;-) | 01:37 |
| qwebirc19070 | https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1651890839 | 01:38 |
| kristianpaul | wolfspraul: I just mention, considerin the posibillity qwebirc19070 may use its M1 with this devices in a future. | 01:41 |
| qwebirc19070 | I'll definitely try it. | 01:41 |
| pablojavier | Yeah, no more qwebirc19070 :-) | 01:43 |
| pablojavier | I will certainly try the M1 with MIDI controllers | 01:44 |
| wolfspraul | one step at a time. let's get one delivered to you first, then you start playing with it :-) | 01:49 |
| wolfspraul | where in Argentina are you? | 01:49 |
| pablojavier | buenos aires | 01:51 |
| pablojavier | I did the checkout for the M1 and the Ben | 01:52 |
| pablojavier | But my cards were rejected | 01:52 |
| pablojavier | I will call VISA tomorrow and try again | 01:52 |
| pablojavier | hope it arrives so I can put it under my tree!! | 01:52 |
| GitHub161 | [scripts] xiangfu pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/8RzElA | 09:14 |
| GitHub161 | [scripts/master] update to latest Milkymist Makefile system - Xiangfu Liu | 09:14 |
| lekernel_ | wpwrak: what do you mean, non ansi prototypes? foo() instead of foo(void)? | 09:38 |
| lekernel_ | what's the problem with that? all today's compilers handle this and it's less typing | 09:39 |
| lars_ | without the void you can pass as many parameters to a call of foo without generating a compiler error | 10:06 |
| wpwrak | lekernel_: yes, that's what i meant. and lars explained it :) also, the compiler may generate slightly less efficient code in such cases | 10:08 |
| lekernel_ | mh? C is sick. | 10:11 |
| lars_ | C is full of backwards compatibility | 10:14 |
| wpwrak | we could use -Wstrict-prototypes to bring out these critters | 10:22 |
| wpwrak | or, more directly: -Wold-style-declaration -Wold-style-definition | 10:23 |
| wpwrak | also -Wextra may be a good idea | 10:23 |
| wpwrak | the chars vs. isalnum bother me, though. not sure how to fix that. where does our newlib come from ? is this via rtems ? | 10:28 |
| lekernel_ | via rtems | 10:29 |
| lekernel_ | I think they'd patch it if we report the problem | 10:30 |
| wpwrak | let's see if i can find it ... | 10:31 |
| wpwrak | cpukit/pppd/chat.c ;_) but no, that's not the one | 10:44 |
| wpwrak | it's a pity that lemon doesn't support yacc-style 'x' syntax (for terminals). that makes parsers so much more readable | 11:33 |
| wpwrak | and it also helps with debugging the grammar, because you can quickly insert a unique terminal and see if this solves the conflict | 11:34 |
| wpwrak | hmm, one bug in my migration. i forgot to move the fpvm_assign prototype. well, i'll do that later | 11:40 |
| wpwrak | lekernel: hmm, what's the correct way to signal an error to the parser ? | 11:58 |
| wpwrak | (from inside the grammar) | 11:58 |
| wpwrak | hmm, perhaps you don't. there's no error indication interface to the caller anyway. | 12:05 |
| wpwrak | lekernel_: Q: semicolons in a patch: how should the grammar handle them ? 1) optional, 2) required as separator, 3) required as terminator ? | 13:34 |
| GitHub131 | [scripts] xiangfu force-pushed master from 8581de4 to 33f5b11: http://git.io/DOsw5Q | 13:47 |
| GitHub131 | [scripts/master] update to latest Milkymist Makefile system - Xiangfu Liu | 13:47 |
| lekernel_ | wpwrak: they're optional, used to separate several equations on the same line | 16:44 |
| wpwrak | the grammar seems to be fine if i make them entirely optional | 16:46 |
| wpwrak | of course, you cuold then do things like foo=1 bar=2 .... | 16:46 |
| wpwrak | not sure if this is good or bad | 16:46 |
| wpwrak | requiring ; for multiple equations in the same line would of course make things complicated when assignments are split over multiple lines | 16:48 |
| wpwrak | btw, why is [ a comment character ? looks like an odd choice. is this really used for comments or for something else ? | 16:49 |
| lekernel | no, that's because the original milkdrop presets are based on INF files | 16:50 |
| lekernel | they have a "[preset]" at the beginning that should be ignored | 16:50 |
| wpwrak | aaah ;-) | 16:50 |
| wpwrak | well, we shall have sections in the future, too. but i think something like per_frame: will look nicer than [per_frame]. particularly since we may have some use for [...] elsewhere | 16:52 |
| wpwrak | (in the future) | 16:52 |
| wpwrak | what do you think of adding proper relational operators, a == b, a > b, etc. ? | 16:53 |
| wpwrak | and maybe a form of the ternary operator instead of LISP-ish if(a,b,c). as much as i like LISP as a programming model, i find the syntax painful | 16:54 |
| lekernel | yeah, why not :) | 16:56 |
| lekernel | the first goal was to support MD :) | 16:56 |
| lekernel | but ofc it can/should be extended | 16:56 |
| wpwrak | very good :) | 16:57 |
| wpwrak | for images, i'm thinking of having an array and an index variable. the array could have lazy evaluation, so you only preload a few at the beginning, and convert the rest in the background as the patch is running. not sure how this will pan out with CPU load, though. | 17:02 |
| lekernel | probably quite difficult to do without "hiccups", no? | 17:05 |
| lekernel | what if the image is suddenly needed? | 17:05 |
| wpwrak | you'd get some fallback behaviour. could be to ignore the change request or to show the highest available. it could also update when the image becomes available and/or when more images become available | 17:09 |
| wpwrak | there could also be a variable that tells you how far you can go | 17:09 |
| lekernel | sounds complicated to use | 17:09 |
| wpwrak | of course, if you need random access, then you'd just preload all of them | 17:09 |
| lekernel | nah... sounds difficult to use AND difficult to program | 17:10 |
| wpwrak | ;-))) | 17:10 |
| lekernel | pick your battles :) | 17:11 |
| wpwrak | there may be other options. like caching converted images. or introducing a "raw" format where the image is pre-converted by the user | 17:13 |
| wpwrak | need to see what works | 17:13 |
| lekernel | is it really so slow that you need such things? | 17:13 |
| wpwrak | in any case, i want image arrays. not for silly slide shows but for having patches with fancy effects | 17:13 |
| wpwrak | haven't measured conversion times yet | 17:14 |
| wpwrak | but i can imagine that a large image collection could take some time | 17:14 |
| wpwrak | but we'll see. that's not something i'll get to today or tomorrow. first, parsing the whole patch in one run. fpvm_assign must die :-) | 17:16 |
| wpwrak | hmm. the parser is indeed remarkably good at not reporting problems ... and actually somehow getting past them. yet another area that wants attention. | 17:28 |
| GitHub198 | [migen] sbourdeauducq pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/milkymist/migen/commit/a49ecc4331a373b9a63a836ca2523db63f88d1e7 | 19:29 |
| GitHub198 | [migen/master] fhdl: pad support in fragments - Sebastien Bourdeauducq | 19:29 |
| GitHub104 | [migen] sbourdeauducq pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/milkymist/migen/compare/a49ecc4...44f44b8 | 19:51 |
| GitHub104 | [migen/master] fhdl: fix += for empty fragment - Sebastien Bourdeauducq | 19:51 |
| GitHub104 | [migen/master] fhdl: autofragment - Sebastien Bourdeauducq | 19:51 |
| GitHub163 | [migen] sbourdeauducq pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/milkymist/migen/commit/d3127fd5d86377daa92247bebd72cd16407e372b | 19:52 |
| GitHub163 | [migen/master] autofragment: remove debug - Sebastien Bourdeauducq | 19:52 |
| wpwrak | lekernel: do you keep track of the number of list subscribers ? i wonder how many lurkers have run for cover by now :) | 20:09 |
| Action: lars_ is still there | 20:10 | |
| Action: kristianpaul too | 20:10 | |
| wpwrak | cool. re2c happily reads beyond NUL | 23:43 |
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