#milkymist IRC log for Monday, 2011-07-11

xiangfulekernel: Hi, the F2 for exit stop render have some conflict with 'Ctrl + F2' screenshot,03:21
xiangfulekernel: so I think we can just delete F2 for stop render, Enter, BTN_LEFT, BTN_RIGHT is enough I think03:22
xiangfuor maybe delete F2 and Enter, using 'ESC'03:22
wolfspraulescape is good03:36
wolfspraulI like escape :-)03:36
wolfspraulI always press that, and when it doesn't work I press the mouse03:36
lekernelok07:23
GitHub149[flickernoise] xiangfu pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/pqaeI507:44
GitHub149[flickernoise/master] using ESC for exit performance mode - Xiangfu Liu07:44
xiangfuhttp://milkymist.org/wiki/index.php?title=Patches upload some screenshots07:44
GitHub13[flickernoise] xiangfu pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/qIQEVy07:48
GitHub13[flickernoise/master] README: change VJ to video synthesizer - Xiangfu Liu07:48
wolfspraulcool the screenshots are nice07:51
wolfspraulit seems they are out of sync with the text though, somewhat07:51
wolfspraulRedBull is nice, but I'm wondering whether we have the right to use them like this07:51
wolfspraulI am not sure07:52
xiangfuyes. the text is there, but not in screenshot. I will update a little next time.07:52
wolfspraulwe probably better be careful with a brand like RedBull07:52
wolfspraulon the other hand, normally brands would pay to be included somewhere, but then they have it under control and decide whether they want to be included, in which way, etc.07:54
xiangfuyes. I found that after take all those screeshot :(, I will using a apple or peach next time :)07:54
wolfspraulRedBull is cool, I'm just wondering07:55
wolfspraulone of the early NanoNote pictures was with a Coke can, and then we swirled it etc.07:55
wolfspraulwhich was also strange07:55
wolfspraulwe could ask RedBull, but most likely we will never get an answer07:55
wolfspraullike "hey, can you look at this url? Can we use your can in our marketing and advertisement material for our video synthesizer?"07:55
wolfspraulif they say 'yes', for sure we wouldn't ask them for money :-)07:56
wolfspraulhttp://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=redbullgmbh07:57
wolfspraulthey give an email address ebay@at.redbull.com07:57
wolfspraullet's see whether there is a general one07:57
xiangfuwhat you mean? sorry08:02
wolfspraulok, I cannot even find any contact information or better email on their site :-)08:02
wolfspraulxiangfu: what I mean is that we can send a short email to ebay@at.redbull.com08:03
wolfsprauland ask for permission to use their trademark08:03
wolfspraulbut from googling, my feeling is they will not give any permission :-)08:03
wolfspraulif anything, they will respond to take down that stuff from our wiki asap...08:03
wolfspraulhe he08:03
xiangfuI sent one to customers@redbullchina.com.08:03
wolfspraulgreat08:03
wolfspraulbut I'm pretty sure there will be no answer, or if there is an answer it will be negative08:04
xiangfu:)08:04
wolfspraulthe company is basically nothing but brand08:04
wolfspraulso they will vigorously defend this, down to the last tiny bit08:04
wolfspraulI suggest we remove those screenshots and use something else, still cool stuff but not something trademarked08:05
wolfspraulthen we can ask redbull to pay money to bring their brand on our product... :-)08:06
xiangfuyes. I will do that next time. next step upload screenshot with Sound-In.08:06
wolfspraulthis brand stuff is difficult08:06
wolfspraulbut we should definitely try to email companies08:07
wolfspraulthere is always a chance whoever gets the email is not just a bored lawyer, but sees our product, likes it, and sees some marketing/brand opportunities08:07
wolfspraulit's always worth to write a 3 minute email for cases like this, even if there is never any answer08:07
lekernelphew. you are an optimistic.08:08
wolfspraulmeanwhile unless we have a positive permission/policy/answer, we should not use anything that we know is trademarked by someone else08:08
wolfspraulyes, totally optimistic08:08
wolfspraul"so they cannot complain later they weren't asked" :-)08:08
wolfspraulremember, we are the new kid on the block, we have to talk first08:09
lekernelfrom my point of view there's simply nothing to get out of redbull (except sickness from their bad drinks)08:09
wolfspraulwell, I am responding to Xiangfu's screenshots08:10
wolfspraulI don't want to deal with the problem after those screenshots have spread to 20 different places08:10
wolfspraulso now that we have the screenshots, we may as well shoot them a short mail08:11
wolfspraulwithout any expectations08:11
wolfsprauland in parallel replace the screenshots to ones without trademarked stuff08:11
xiangfulekernel:  add [previous] to simple mode :) since we have next, I always wnat previous. http://dpaste.com/566300/09:07
lekernelF9 is already used for upgrade, no?09:08
xiangfulong pressed for web upgrade09:08
lekernelmh, yes09:08
GitHub37[flickernoise] xiangfu pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/qxq6kk09:10
GitHub37[flickernoise/master] add [previous] to simple mode, short press F11/LeftButton - Xiangfu Liu09:10
GitHub86[flickernoise] xiangfu pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/qyJJYx09:49
GitHub86[flickernoise/master] IR remote: add Auto build - Xiangfu Liu09:49
GitHub150[milkymist] sbourdeauducq pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/pMFFeM13:16
GitHub150[milkymist/master] Enable ISE 13.2 BRAM silicon bug workaround (Xilinx AR 39999) - Sebastien Bourdeauducq13:16
GitHub143[milkymist] sbourdeauducq pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/qPCQXI14:51
GitHub143[milkymist/master] Out of order memory controller model - Sebastien Bourdeauducq14:51
GitHub16[milkymist] sbourdeauducq pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/oQeK6616:39
GitHub16[milkymist/master] Model parameters - Sebastien Bourdeauducq16:39
GitHub120[milkymist] sbourdeauducq pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/oXtD3b17:02
GitHub120[milkymist/master] hpdmc: peak performance test - Sebastien Bourdeauducq17:02
GitHub124[milkymist] sbourdeauducq pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/oHPvMY20:35
GitHub124[milkymist/master] fmlmeter: record write bit - Sebastien Bourdeauducq20:35
GitHub29[milkymist] sbourdeauducq pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/qNGaOl21:19
GitHub29[milkymist/master] Display memory read/write stats - Sebastien Bourdeauducq21:19
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