| Action: kristianpaul wonder what happened finally with rejon's mm1 flashing issue | 02:25 | |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: oops, he had a flashing issue? | 02:42 |
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| wolfspraul | hmm | 02:47 |
| wolfspraul | backlog sounds scary | 02:47 |
| wolfspraul | that just reminds me how much more we have to do all over to polish the user experience | 02:49 |
| rejon | ok, finally back | 03:47 |
| rejon | got stuck in some brazilian infinite girl and dudeloops | 03:47 |
| wolfspraul | I will flash my m1 in sync with you | 03:48 |
| wolfspraul | haven't upped to 07-01 either yet | 03:48 |
| wolfspraul | first turn off your unit, make sure the jtag-serial daughter board is seated well, connect the usb cable | 03:49 |
| rejon | ok | 03:49 |
| rejon | ok, i took off the jtab-serial daughter and re-set it | 03:50 |
| rejon | ok, power off | 03:50 |
| wolfspraul | there have been some issues with the urjtag trunk, I will email you my binary, just in case | 03:51 |
| rejon | ok | 03:52 |
| rejon | i'm running fedora right now | 03:52 |
| rejon | might be an issue | 03:52 |
| wolfspraul | let's try with what you have first | 03:54 |
| wolfspraul | what does running 'jtag --help' say on your notebook? | 03:54 |
| rejon | [rejon@slowtop latest-backup]$ sudo /usr/local/bin/jtag --help | 03:55 |
| rejon | [sudo] password for rejon: | 03:55 |
| rejon | UrJTAG 0.10 #1948 | 03:55 |
| rejon | Usage: jtag [OPTIONS] [FILE [FILE ... ]] | 03:55 |
| rejon | -h, --help display this help and exit | 03:55 |
| rejon | -v, --version display version information and exit | 03:55 |
| rejon | -n, --norc disable reading ~/.jtag/rc on startup | 03:55 |
| rejon | -i, --interactive enter interactive mode after reading files | 03:55 |
| rejon | -q, --quiet Do not print help on startup | 03:55 |
| rejon | [FILE] file containing commands to execute | 03:55 |
| wolfspraul | download the latest reflash_m1.sh from here: http://www.milkymist.org/snapshots/latest/ | 03:55 |
| rejon | Please report bugs at http://www.urjtag.org | 03:55 |
| rejon | [rejon@slowtop latest-backup]$ | 03:55 |
| rejon | i have it | 03:56 |
| rejon | i'll do it again | 03:56 |
| rejon | to match | 03:56 |
| wolfspraul | ok mine is 0.10 #1902, not sure what the diff is | 03:56 |
| wolfspraul | alright, power on your m1 by plugging in the power supply, no need to press the middle button | 03:57 |
| wolfspraul | the right led should be lit | 03:58 |
| wolfspraul | so what I'm going to do now is this: | 03:58 |
| wolfspraul | 1) plug the usb cable which is already connected on the jtag side into my notebook | 03:58 |
| wolfspraul | 2) become root | 03:58 |
| wolfspraul | 3) run reflash_m1.sh | 03:59 |
| wolfspraul | let's see :-) | 03:59 |
| rejon | D1 led lit after plugging in power | 03:59 |
| wolfspraul | reflash_m1.sh starts downloading stuff... | 03:59 |
| rejon | ok | 04:01 |
| rejon | packages were already downloaded | 04:01 |
| wolfspraul | if you have the same type of problems like before (what I read in the backlog), try installing the 2 jtag binaries I just emailed you | 04:01 |
| rejon | Device geometry definition: | 04:01 |
| rejon | Device Size: 33554432 B (32768 KiB, 32 MiB) | 04:01 |
| rejon | Flash Device Interface Code description: 0x0002 (x8/x16) | 04:01 |
| rejon | Maximum number of bytes in multi-byte program: 1024 | 04:01 |
| rejon | Number of Erase Block Regions within device: 1 | 04:01 |
| rejon | Erase Block Region Information: | 04:01 |
| rejon | Region 0: | 04:01 |
| rejon | Erase Block Size: 131072 B (128 KiB) | 04:01 |
| wolfspraul | the jtag executable itself, plus liburjtag.so.0 | 04:01 |
| rejon | Number of Erase Blocks: 256 | 04:01 |
| rejon | Manufacturer: Intel | 04:01 |
| rejon | Chip: 28F256J3A | 04:01 |
| rejon | program: | 04:02 |
| rejon | block 0 unlocked | 04:02 |
| wolfspraul | yes yes, don't post it all here | 04:02 |
| rejon | erasing block 0: 0 | 04:02 |
| rejon | addr: 0x0001F000 | 04:02 |
| rejon | block 1 unlocked | 04:02 |
| rejon | erasing block 1: 0 | 04:02 |
| rejon | addr: 0x0003F000 | 04:02 |
| rejon | block 2 unlocked | 04:02 |
| rejon | erasing block 2: 0 | 04:02 |
| rejon | addr: 0x0005F000 | 04:02 |
| rejon | block 3 unlocked | 04:02 |
| rejon | erasing block 3: 0 | 04:02 |
| rejon | addr: 0x00078DD2 | 04:02 |
| rejon | verify skipped | 04:02 |
| rejon | Manufacturer: Intel | 04:02 |
| rejon | Chip: 28F256J3A | 04:02 |
| rejon | program: | 04:02 |
| rejon | got to there and froze | 04:02 |
| rejon | hahaha | 04:02 |
| rejon | i love information | 04:02 |
| wolfspraul | install the 2 binaries I sent you | 04:02 |
| rejon | doing | 04:02 |
| rejon | ok, i will reset my m1 and remove power | 04:03 |
| wolfspraul | you may need to setup a liburjtag.so.0 symlink | 04:03 |
| wolfspraul | you'll figure it out | 04:03 |
| wolfspraul | then run /usr/local/bin/jtag --help, if that works it's setup | 04:03 |
| wolfspraul | in reflash_m1.sh, there is only 1 line where it invokes the jtag binary, lines 88 | 04:05 |
| wolfspraul | line 88 | 04:05 |
| wolfspraul | change that to /usr/local/bin/jtag | 04:05 |
| rejon | done | 04:05 |
| wolfspraul | I'm still downloading, then I can tell you how your stdout is supposed to continue after you see the freezing (not sure this helps you much, but still) | 04:06 |
| wolfspraul | so try running reflash_m1.sh with my jtag binaries now | 04:07 |
| rejon | trying | 04:07 |
| wolfspraul | make sure it picks up the new liburjtag (check with ldd) | 04:07 |
| rejon | i'm running 64bit btw | 04:07 |
| wolfspraul | same here | 04:07 |
| rejon | k | 04:07 |
| wolfspraul | check with ldd /usr/local/bin/jtag which liburjtag it takes... | 04:08 |
| wolfspraul | this is how it continues for me (flashing now): | 04:09 |
| wolfspraul | addr: 0x00078DD2 | 04:09 |
| wolfspraul | verify skipped | 04:09 |
| wolfspraul | Manufacturer: Intel | 04:09 |
| wolfspraul | Chip: 28F256J3A | 04:09 |
| wolfspraul | program: | 04:09 |
| wolfspraul | block 5 unlocked | 04:09 |
| wolfspraul | erasing block 5: 0 | 04:09 |
| wolfspraul | addr: 0x000BF000 | 04:09 |
| wolfspraul | block 6 unlocked | 04:09 |
| wolfspraul | erasing block 6: 0 | 04:09 |
| wolfspraul | addr: 0x000DF000 | 04:09 |
| wolfspraul | so the first line that is missing for you is "block 5 unlocked" | 04:10 |
| rejon | UrJTAG 0.10 #1902 | 04:10 |
| rejon | ok | 04:10 |
| wolfspraul | you are only a few percent into the flashing | 04:10 |
| wolfspraul | in total the flashing should take about a minute, and work its way up to about block 100 (and erase some more up to 255) | 04:11 |
| wolfspraul | there never is any freeze of more than 1 second or so, it should always move further and output stuff | 04:11 |
| wolfspraul | basically just like at the beginning for you, but then continue all the way up to about 100 | 04:12 |
| wolfspraul | ok mine is reflashed now, I'm rebooting :-) | 04:12 |
| rejon | right, it worked before like that | 04:12 |
| wolfspraul | unfortunately since you are on fedora and a new kernel I guess, the problem could also come from any of the other libs or kernel | 04:13 |
| wolfspraul | what do you get now? (with my jtag binaries) | 04:13 |
| rejon | UrJTAG 0.10 #1902 | 04:13 |
| rejon | ok trying now | 04:13 |
| wolfspraul | don't paste everything again | 04:13 |
| wolfspraul | does your m1 still boot? | 04:13 |
| wolfspraul | there are other ways to reflash (ftp), but I don't know them well/at all | 04:14 |
| wolfspraul | that's assuming that you have at least something running on your m1, like rescue image or whatever (I don't know those things well) | 04:15 |
| wolfspraul | jtag should normally always work, it just pumps data directly into the nor flash chip | 04:15 |
| rejon | ok | 04:16 |
| wolfspraul | ah great | 04:16 |
| wolfspraul | my m1 booted but into a totally broken update screen | 04:16 |
| wolfspraul | in compliance with the milkymist culture, I can say it's a ridiculously fucked up piece of crap I just booted into | 04:17 |
| wolfspraul | I can move the mouse, but I cannot click any of the fuckingly stupid buttons | 04:17 |
| wolfspraul | maybe I wait a little :-) | 04:17 |
| rejon | hmmm | 04:18 |
| rejon | should i go back an image? | 04:18 |
| wolfspraul | :-) | 04:18 |
| wolfspraul | I was joking | 04:18 |
| wolfspraul | how does your flashing go? | 04:18 |
| rejon | getting errors | 04:19 |
| rejon | Unable to open file '/usr/local/share/urjtag/MANUFACTURERS' | 04:19 |
| rejon | Unknown manufacturer! (00001001001) (/usr/local/share/urjtag/MANUFACTURERS) | 04:19 |
| rejon | think i need more files from you | 04:19 |
| wolfspraul | ok one sec | 04:19 |
| rejon | i get more errors | 04:19 |
| rejon | http://pastebin.com/equQ96MN | 04:20 |
| wolfspraul | ok the 07-01 image does indeed boot me into a completely hung screen | 04:22 |
| wolfspraul | rejon: I sent you a /usr/local/share/urjtag tarball, got it? | 04:24 |
| wolfspraul | maybe you should not attempt any update, it looks like we have nothing that is actually better than what was on your m1 before :-) | 04:25 |
| rejon | oh great | 04:26 |
| rejon | i can't believe i updated this | 04:26 |
| rejon | mine was perfectly fine from lgm | 04:26 |
| rejon | argggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg | 04:26 |
| rejon | many hours and things missed, but most importantly, brazilian girls asking me to go to a bar | 04:26 |
| rejon | (i blame myself) | 04:27 |
| rejon | no, my mm1 doesn't boot at all now | 04:27 |
| wolfspraul | maybe we are lucky and can fix it quickly now? | 04:27 |
| wolfspraul | alright | 04:27 |
| wolfspraul | did you get my new tarball? | 04:27 |
| wolfspraul | unpack, try again | 04:27 |
| rejon | tryign now | 04:27 |
| wolfspraul | in your reflash_m1.sh, line 7, where it says VERSION="latest", change that to VERSION="2011-05-09" | 04:29 |
| wolfspraul | I'll try that here too | 04:29 |
| rejon | ok | 04:31 |
| wolfspraul | unfortunately my gut feeling tells me the issue comes from lower parts of the stack | 04:31 |
| wolfspraul | libftdi, libusb, or the kernel itself | 04:31 |
| rejon | yeah, it froze up again | 04:32 |
| rejon | getting very similar looking issues on the jtag you provided me | 04:33 |
| rejon | arg | 04:35 |
| rejon | froze, one more time | 04:35 |
| rejon | lekernel, kristianpaul any other ways to flash my mm1? | 04:35 |
| wolfspraul | thinking | 04:36 |
| wolfspraul | when you boot your m1, do you see anything? 'm' logo? | 04:36 |
| rejon | you mean on a screen? | 04:37 |
| wolfspraul | on the vga output, yes? | 04:37 |
| wolfspraul | there are other ways over tftp, over memcard, maybe even more | 04:37 |
| wolfspraul | but 10 ways that all don't work won't help you now :-) | 04:37 |
| wolfspraul | I'm wondering whether there is a Linux command to reduce the usb speed to the lowest possible | 04:38 |
| wolfspraul | rejon: do you have another Linux box somewhere? | 04:41 |
| rejon | no | 04:41 |
| rejon | on road | 04:41 |
| rejon | arg | 04:43 |
| rejon | no botting | 04:43 |
| rejon | no booting | 04:43 |
| rejon | no M logo | 04:43 |
| rejon | nothing | 04:43 |
| rejon | no signal on my amazingly small projector | 04:43 |
| rejon | that works | 04:43 |
| rejon | ok, this is not going anywhere | 04:44 |
| rejon | not sure what else to do | 04:44 |
| rejon | other than hope that werner and i can get to work on his computer | 04:44 |
| rejon | in the morning | 04:45 |
| rejon | seems to be something with my setup | 04:45 |
| wolfspraul | ok good news for myself - I went back to 05-09 and it boots into render mode :-) | 04:45 |
| wolfspraul | wait let's try to reduce the usb speed maybe | 04:45 |
| wolfspraul | do you have other usb ports? | 04:45 |
| rejon | i installed 05-09 on my m1 before and it worked well | 04:45 |
| wolfspraul | can you put it behind a hub? | 04:45 |
| rejon | when i was running ubuntu | 04:45 |
| rejon | i switched to fedora15 | 04:45 |
| rejon | and now not working | 04:45 |
| wolfspraul | do you have other usb ports? | 04:45 |
| rejon | yes | 04:45 |
| wolfspraul | can you put it behind a hub? | 04:45 |
| rejon | i tried the other ones previously | 04:45 |
| rejon | i don't have a hub | 04:46 |
| wolfspraul | we can also try to rmmod the high-speed kernel drivers, maybe that will auto-fallback to lower speeds then? | 04:46 |
| wolfspraul | what do you get with 'lsmod|grep hcd'? | 04:46 |
| wolfspraul | I'm wondering how we can force the usb subsystem to run 20b7:0713 at a lower speed | 04:47 |
| wolfspraul | not sure whether that helps, but worth a try imo | 04:47 |
| rejon | nothing | 04:48 |
| rejon | ok, not sure what else to do | 04:50 |
| rejon | seems like my/our best bet is to try to get werner to try on his system | 04:50 |
| wolfspraul | when you insert the usb cable, can you see what messages you get in dmesg? | 04:51 |
| wolfspraul | I'm wondering whether it shows up as full speed or high speed | 04:51 |
| wolfspraul | your jtag-serial board may still be the one with the high-speed bug we fixed at some point | 04:51 |
| wolfspraul | or did I replace it already? | 04:51 |
| rejon | http://pastebin.com/pBk911L1 | 04:52 |
| rejon | wolfspraul, no idea | 04:52 |
| wolfspraul | high-speed, it's fixed already | 04:53 |
| wolfspraul | let me try to find a way to force this down to full speed | 04:53 |
| wolfspraul | there must be a way... | 04:53 |
| rejon | ok msg me rejon if you think of way...i'm plowing on my slides | 04:54 |
| wolfspraul | rejon: can you go to /sys/bus/usb and run "find . -name '*companion*'"? | 05:04 |
| rejon | no results | 05:05 |
| wolfspraul | same here, too bad | 05:06 |
| wolfspraul | that is supposedly a way to force a high-speed device down to full-speed | 05:06 |
| wolfspraul | it looks like your only hope now is that the jtag update works from Werner's machine | 05:06 |
| rejon | yes | 05:08 |
| rejon | sucks | 05:08 |
| wolfspraul | I email the jtag binaries to his account, just in case | 05:09 |
| wolfspraul | he may still need to install libftdi if he doesn't have it already, I would think libusb is already there | 05:09 |
| rejon | ok | 05:10 |
| rejon | i should have known better to have tried this before presentation | 05:10 |
| rejon | we held off on the other updates to the m1 becuase of, but decided that flashing it to latest was a good idea | 05:10 |
| rejon | ugh | 05:10 |
| rejon | ok, i focus on the smoke and mirrors presentation then | 05:11 |
| rejon | hope we can fix in the morning | 05:11 |
| rejon | its 2 am now | 05:11 |
| wolfspraul | and the 07-01 image is even broken :-) | 05:11 |
| wolfspraul | a lot of things I have to sort out before I can sell this to normal users and not drown in support calls | 05:11 |
| rejon | yes | 05:12 |
| rejon | well, i guess that is good to find out | 05:12 |
| rejon | i'll just sell dreams i guess, for now | 05:12 |
| wolfspraul | I'm optimistic we get it to work in the morning | 05:12 |
| wolfspraul | what's the timeline? | 05:13 |
| wolfspraul | you get up, meet werner, then you will try to reflash? | 05:13 |
| wolfspraul | go back to the 05-09 version right away | 05:13 |
| rejon | yes | 05:13 |
| rejon | yeah, i already put him on alert before | 05:13 |
| wolfspraul | edit reflash_m1.sh like I told you, to 2011-05-09 | 05:14 |
| rejon | saying that if can';t get tonite, then i really need his help until it works | 05:14 |
| wolfspraul | at least that worked well for me :-) | 05:14 |
| rejon | yes, i have that | 05:14 |
| wolfspraul | when is this roughly? | 05:14 |
| rejon | its just something here on this system | 05:14 |
| rejon | no time to analzye | 05:14 |
| wolfspraul | so I can be online... | 05:14 |
| rejon | i can meet him at 9:30 am hopefully for breakfast | 05:14 |
| wolfspraul | in 7 hours? or when? | 05:14 |
| rejon | yeah 7/7.5 hours | 05:14 |
| wolfspraul | ok | 05:14 |
| wolfspraul | if I can get hold of xiangfu I will try to fix the 07-01 problem too | 05:15 |
| rejon | that gives another 3-4 hours b4 presentation to get this to work | 05:15 |
| wolfspraul | but unfortunately, as it is, he may be traveling today | 05:15 |
| wolfspraul | with I think nothing left on your nor flash, jtag is the only way I think | 05:15 |
| rejon | k | 05:16 |
| lekernel | rejon, try rescue mode | 06:55 |
| rejon | lekernel, how? is there wiki url for this? | 06:56 |
| lekernel | press and hold pushbutton #1 (right) while you press pushbutton #2 (middle) to power up | 06:57 |
| lekernel | also, try to reduce the JTAG clock when flashing (the line which says frequency 60..... in the urjtag batch file) | 06:57 |
| rejon | ok trying | 06:58 |
| lekernel | ah, yes, but of course xiangfu's script rewrites the rescue images as well... nice | 06:58 |
| lekernel | mh, wait, no | 06:58 |
| lekernel | yes, it does .... | 06:59 |
| lekernel | phew | 06:59 |
| lekernel | so try to reduce clock, maybe | 06:59 |
| rejon | ok rescue mode doesnt seem to work | 07:00 |
| lekernel | no ofc the first thing this script does is rewrite the rescue images .... | 07:01 |
| kristianpaul | what's the minimun jtag clock then? | 07:03 |
| lekernel | wolfspraul, and xiangfu should work on the web update, not fix or just make development snapshots that have very little use | 07:03 |
| lekernel | there's no minimum | 07:03 |
| kristianpaul | hum | 07:04 |
| lekernel | but slower clock means slower flashing ofc | 07:04 |
| rejon | slowed down to 1000000 | 07:06 |
| rejon | still getting freezes on the flashing | 07:06 |
| rejon | but looked promising | 07:06 |
| rejon | got at least the fjmem.bit | 07:06 |
| rejon | written | 07:06 |
| rejon | trying to flash each section | 07:09 |
| rejon | and comment out once one part of memory has been flashed | 07:09 |
| rejon | just trying to get it usable | 07:09 |
| rejon | ok, as i'm lowering the clock, reliability getting better | 07:12 |
| rejon | down to 50000 now | 07:12 |
| rejon | 500,000 | 07:12 |
| wolfspraul | great! clock, maybe that helps | 07:14 |
| rejon | yes, this is getting better | 07:15 |
| rejon | slower, but more reliablie | 07:15 |
| wolfspraul | how far do you get? | 07:15 |
| rejon | its going slower, but not failing | 07:15 |
| rejon | still going (slowing) | 07:15 |
| rejon | meanwhile, i have a pretty good slide deck no tech shit | 07:15 |
| wolfspraul | you use 500,000 now? | 07:15 |
| rejon | down to 100,000 | 07:16 |
| wolfspraul | we should reduce the clock to the lowest common denominator in reflash_m1.sh | 07:16 |
| wolfspraul | then people can uptick it if they use it a lot etc. | 07:16 |
| rejon | makes sense | 07:17 |
| wolfspraul | but of course, as lekernel said, we will move to update-over-ethernet asap. no more jtag at all then, except for devs | 07:17 |
| rejon | we need a lot more data on installation and reflashing | 07:17 |
| rejon | and more documentation | 07:17 |
| wolfspraul | it all comes down to so few actual users | 07:17 |
| rejon | yes | 07:17 |
| wolfspraul | a whole platform with 5 users | 07:17 |
| rejon | need more data | 07:17 |
| wolfspraul | of course there are loose ends everywhere | 07:17 |
| rejon | yes, but it improves | 07:17 |
| wolfspraul | it does, I agree | 07:18 |
| rejon | i was telling some hackers tonite, in this instance, i can't complain, but have to work through it or it won't get better | 07:18 |
| wolfspraul | hopefully unstoppable :-) | 07:18 |
| rejon | in free software, its my problem if it doesn't fix | 07:18 |
| rejon | of course, end-user, would never stand for it | 07:18 |
| wolfspraul | still flashing? where are you now? | 07:18 |
| rejon | its still going | 07:18 |
| wolfspraul | which block #? | 07:18 |
| rejon | block 15 | 07:19 |
| wolfspraul | oh my | 07:19 |
| wolfspraul | :-) | 07:19 |
| wolfspraul | that's slow indeed | 07:19 |
| rejon | def. improving | 07:19 |
| wolfspraul | you need to go up to about 100 | 07:19 |
| rejon | ok, cool | 07:19 |
| rejon | onto the third flash line | 07:20 |
| rejon | great | 07:20 |
| rejon | ok, this is working, taking shower....i think its working | 07:20 |
| rejon | block 18 | 07:20 |
| wolfspraul | crazy slow, but ok | 07:20 |
| rejon | better than nothing | 07:20 |
| wolfspraul | i'm out for 20min, keep us posted unless you go sleep | 07:20 |
| rejon | slowpan or slowfi | 07:21 |
| wolfspraul | slowflash | 07:21 |
| rejon | for my slowtop | 07:21 |
| rejon | (my computers name) | 07:21 |
| rejon | i have to get this working so wpwrak doesn't think i just talk too much ;) | 07:21 |
| rejon | block 22 | 07:22 |
| rejon | great, 3rd set | 07:22 |
| rejon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_synthesizer | 07:23 |
| rejon | my slides, i'm trying to link the history of video synth to where we are | 07:23 |
| rejon | http://www.flickr.com/photos/n0thing/3696516116/ | 07:23 |
| rejon | to ambient displays | 07:23 |
| rejon | (in a few slides) | 07:23 |
| rejon | also important to link in: http://www.evl.uic.edu/core.php?mod=4&type=1&indi=337 | 07:23 |
| rejon | vasulkas, etc | 07:24 |
| rejon | shit froze at block 63 | 07:45 |
| wolfspraul | argh | 07:53 |
| wolfspraul | the urjtag software should automatically retry and lower the clock, or there should be a way to tell it to do so | 07:53 |
| wolfspraul | all just should unfortunately | 07:54 |
| wolfspraul | rejon lekernel I was thinking about changing the URL on the product label and the box to twitter.com/milkymistvj | 07:54 |
| wolfspraul | good idea or bad? | 07:54 |
| wolfspraul | I want to get people talking | 07:54 |
| wolfspraul | twitter has a clean interface and we have enough ways to link from there to a shop or other material | 07:55 |
| wolfspraul | just thinking... | 07:55 |
| lekernel | rejon, issue the commands manually... flash each file in turn | 08:04 |
| lekernel | so when it fails you can retry at that file | 08:04 |
| lekernel | your jtag cable probably has a problem, it should work at 6MHz. all other cables do. | 08:05 |
| lekernel | wolfspraul, project URL is milkymist.org. and there is a twitter box right on it... | 08:06 |
| wolfspraul | lekernel: you mean the usb cable? | 08:07 |
| wolfspraul | he should try another usb cable? | 08:08 |
| lekernel | yeah, i think so | 08:08 |
| wolfspraul | about the url, my personal estimate is with every redirect you loose 80% of people | 08:08 |
| wolfspraul | so writing twitter.com/milkymistvj on the box, for example, may make someone write it down when seeing the box, or typing it into his android/iphone twitter client on the spot | 08:09 |
| lekernel | write both URLs if you want | 08:09 |
| wolfspraul | I'm not sure, just thinking | 08:10 |
| wolfspraul | lekernel: you sign off the final artwork (at least that's the plan, unless something even bypasses me :-)) | 08:10 |
| wolfspraul | but I've seen dramatic losses over redirects, it's amazing | 08:10 |
| wolfspraul | but then when you think about your own behavior when running into new things, maybe it's not so amazing after all | 08:10 |
| wolfspraul | I'm just not willing to follow link after link to something new | 08:11 |
| wolfspraul | and a twitter link may really kick people to ask a question or note it down... (that's the theory) | 08:11 |
| wolfspraul | let's see what rejon thinks about it | 08:11 |
| lekernel | oh, I won't be picky about the artwork you know... my main concern atm is reducing delays. | 08:12 |
| lekernel | so as long as it's reasonably good, fine | 08:12 |
| wolfspraul | well, I mean which url is there etc. | 08:12 |
| wolfspraul | lekernel: how did okcon go? anybody interested in milkymist, or good leads? | 08:54 |
| lekernel | not really, well, I didn't have high hopes about it and only went because it was only a few blocks away | 09:11 |
| lekernel | there were some very interesting talks though, e.g. http://okcon.org/2011/programme/when-free-software-isnt-better | 09:11 |
| lekernel | http://mako.cc/writing/hill-when_free_software_isnt_better.html | 09:12 |
| lekernel | and some very uninteresting ones as well, like the ohanda panel... omg... they embarked on several hour long discussions mixing the process of a process (yeah right), design, patents, with a good bureaucracy seasoning... WTF | 09:19 |
| wolfspraul | hmm, OK I see. | 09:20 |
| lekernel | ah, and I watched my first rms talk *g* | 09:21 |
| wolfspraul | I feel pretty good moving with m1 just to music and video lovers, so I will not try that much more in outreach to core foss guys, for now | 09:21 |
| wolfspraul | time is limited, I will try my luck with music and video folks first :-) | 09:21 |
| lekernel | yeah way to go | 09:22 |
| wolfspraul | so far reactions there are very positive, I need to find a way to sell on the spot | 09:22 |
| wolfspraul | maybe I always carry a boxed m1 with me :-) | 09:22 |
| lekernel | I always get good feedback from these people :) | 09:22 |
| lekernel | even within the busy production companies of the world's biggest bands | 09:23 |
| lekernel | that being said - Mako's talk was enlightening. I think we aren't bad either as a FLOSS project, it's just that FLOSS itself is bad in general. | 09:25 |
| lekernel | wolfspraul, carry a brochure instead. it's much easier to explain when you can show figures etc. | 09:26 |
| lekernel | xiangfu, hi | 11:10 |
| xiangfu | lekernel: Hi | 11:10 |
| lekernel | I'm taking care of the web update, you can check the medium/low priority tasks on https://github.com/milkymist/bugs/issues | 11:11 |
| xiangfu | ok. I ask some days off, will full back to work on Sunday evening. | 11:12 |
| wolfspraul | has anybody heard from hadez again, with the freezing problem? | 11:19 |
| lekernel | no | 11:27 |
| wolfspraul | hmm, OK | 11:28 |
| wolfspraul | I need to come up with a good idea to really make people go crazy about our video synthesizer :-) so they finally jump in and enjoy and give feedback, if only to make it work better for themselves... | 11:28 |
| wolfspraul | seems hard to keep people attracted, but we will find the magic sauce eventually | 11:29 |
| lekernel | btw, since I fixed the video chip my M1 never crashed again in dozens of hours of operation | 11:30 |
| wolfspraul | fixed video chip? | 11:30 |
| lekernel | yeah, the ferrite bead problem | 11:30 |
| wolfspraul | wait which problem is this? not the L19 one, right? the L9/L10 we fixed at some point earlier? | 11:31 |
| wolfspraul | hmm, no | 11:33 |
| wolfspraul | lekernel: you mean shorting L19? | 11:33 |
| wolfspraul | I want to start a way to document the patches we have on m1, each patch with a little description, maybe a video of the patch in action with different types of music (don't have a vga grabber yet) | 11:35 |
| wolfspraul | where would you want to do this? | 11:35 |
| wolfspraul | in the milkymist wiki? | 11:35 |
| wolfspraul | same I want to start working on an illustrated patch programming guide, basically explaining the commands and showing what the effects are. is there some milkdrop stuff we can use as a starting point? and where would you do that? milkymist wiki? | 11:36 |
| wolfspraul | I'm just wondering where you would put such things, or whether there are starting points already... | 11:37 |
| lekernel | wolfspraul, L19 yes | 11:38 |
| lekernel | for milkdrop there are two "preset authoring guides" around | 11:38 |
| lekernel | both are largely relevant to flickernoise patches | 11:39 |
| lekernel | btw, you should see Mako's hard numbers about how little people contribute to free software :) | 11:40 |
| lekernel | in terms of contribs, we definitely are in the top 5% projects today | 11:41 |
| wolfspraul | yes sure I read the article | 12:07 |
| wolfspraul | my strategy for new contributors now is not via the gpl & 'free cpu' angle. instead, I want to make this a truly fantastic video synthesizer, whose usefulness as just that immediately comes across | 12:10 |
| wolfspraul | then we can go back to core hackers and see whether that motivates them to do more on this box, and out of this box | 12:10 |
| wolfspraul | so instead of the moral angle, let's try the fun angle :-) | 12:11 |
| wpwrak | argh. the mother of all hangovers is just shaping up | 12:15 |
| wpwrak | rejon_: how's life today ? | 12:15 |
| wolfspraul | wpwrak: he had a rough night | 12:15 |
| wolfspraul | nightmares about jtag clock frequencies | 12:16 |
| wpwrak | ;-) | 12:16 |
| wpwrak | did he wake up happy, though ? | 12:16 |
| wolfspraul | probably still sleeping | 12:16 |
| wpwrak | still time left until his talk :) | 12:17 |
| wpwrak | is his m1 working now ? | 12:18 |
| wpwrak | ah, there are mails. checking ... | 12:18 |
| wpwrak | kewl. he solved it :) | 12:20 |
| wpwrak | i wouldn't have trusted myself today to be of much help ;-) | 12:21 |
| wpwrak | 4 am. not bad :) that must be around the time i returned from drinking :) | 12:21 |
| wolfspraul | really he solved it? checking mail... | 12:23 |
| wolfspraul | wpwrak: where is the mail that he solved it? are you sure? | 12:25 |
| wolfspraul | last he was tryign to reduce the jtag speed to crazy slow, but it will still failing after some percentage | 12:25 |
| wpwrak | well, whatever "mm1 working" and "i have a solution"-means :) he didn't copy you | 12:29 |
| wpwrak | off to the bathroom now | 12:30 |
| wolfspraul | ah ok | 12:31 |
| rejon_ | arg | 12:36 |
| rejon_ | i thought solved, but woke up and the flashing froze | 12:36 |
| rejon_ | morning wpwrak wolfspraul | 12:37 |
| rejon_ | wpwrak, yes, would be great to try flashing from your system | 12:42 |
| rejon_ | mine is freezing | 12:43 |
| wolfspraul | sebastien had the idea of trying another usb cable | 12:43 |
| wolfspraul | not a very likely root cause but why not, if you have another one try switching | 12:44 |
| wolfspraul | try flashing from werner's machine, yes | 12:44 |
| rejon_ | i already swapped that | 12:44 |
| wpwrak | rejon_: argh | 12:47 |
| rejon_ | yeah | 12:47 |
| rejon_ | wpwrak, must be my system | 12:47 |
| rejon_ | i got my setup here in this room if you want to pop over with your machine | 12:47 |
| rejon_ | i was really trying to do this without your help ;) | 12:48 |
| wpwrak | rejon_: i'll be presentable in ~40' | 12:48 |
| rejon_ | ok, cool | 12:48 |
| rejon_ | sorry dude | 12:48 |
| wpwrak | rejon_: do you want to do the experiments here or at the conference ? | 12:49 |
| rejon_ | here | 12:49 |
| rejon_ | i have it setup, ready, projector | 12:50 |
| wpwrak | ok. room #? | 12:50 |
| rejon_ | 719 | 12:50 |
| Action: wpwrak wonders if we'll even be able to build the toolchain on my gentoo | 12:51 | |
| wpwrak | an old gentoo, i have to add | 12:52 |
| rejon_ | ok | 12:53 |
| rejon_ | i'm confident | 12:53 |
| wpwrak | meanwhile, i'm almost certain it won't work :) | 12:54 |
| wpwrak | but there ought to be many people with debian/ubuntu at the venue. so there's a plan B | 12:55 |
| wolfspraul | wpwrak: do you have libusb and libftdi? | 12:55 |
| rejon_ | wpwrak, yes | 12:56 |
| wpwrak | libftdi.so.1.14.0 | 12:56 |
| rejon_ | wolfspraul, lekernel what do the 3 buttons do on mm1 again? | 13:04 |
| rejon_ | from left to right? | 13:04 |
| rejon_ | next, on, random | 13:04 |
| wolfspraul | next, on, update | 13:08 |
| wolfspraul | or update, on, next | 13:08 |
| rejon_ | ok | 13:10 |
| wolfspraul | I'm out for about 30 min, xiangfu will also try to help if there are problems on werner's machine | 13:10 |
| wolfspraul | have to rush buy a few things | 13:10 |
| wolfspraul | good luck! | 13:10 |
| rejon_ | ok thanks wolfspraul | 13:11 |
| lekernel | rejon_, flash the files one by one | 13:12 |
| lekernel | at maximum speed that doesn't outright fail | 13:12 |
| rejon_ | lekernel, yes, was doing that | 13:12 |
| lekernel | and you can skip the rescue images, they are normally not needed | 13:12 |
| lekernel | in fact the script should never have touched them, just to avoid the situation you are in right now ... | 13:13 |
| rejon_ | lekernel, i successfully flashed the rescue images | 13:14 |
| lekernel | oh, and flashing stuff just before demos is generally a bad idea :p | 13:14 |
| rejon_ | would that help? | 13:14 |
| lekernel | ok, so just boot in rescue mode now | 13:14 |
| rejon_ | lekernel, yeah, we started this yesterday, 24 hours before | 13:14 |
| rejon_ | anyway | 13:14 |
| lekernel | if you have standby + *rescue flashed | 13:14 |
| lekernel | booting in rescue mode should work | 13:15 |
| lekernel | then use FTP (not flash) to send the patches | 13:15 |
| lekernel | generally you can always use FTP and the GUI to flash anyway... often simpler than using the cable | 13:15 |
| lekernel | (and it won't break the rescue partitions) | 13:15 |
| lekernel | rejon_, does rescue mode work? | 13:16 |
| rejon_ | yes! | 13:16 |
| lekernel | ok, from now you can 1) upload some patches to the filesystem 2) flash the main partitions from the GUI | 13:17 |
| lekernel | 2) is optional | 13:17 |
| lekernel | just set a login/password and IP address in system settings and this enables a FTP server | 13:18 |
| rejon_ | ok | 13:19 |
| rejon_ | shit my keyboard not working, wpwrak you have a mouse? i forgot my mouse, arg | 13:21 |
| lekernel | what version are you running? | 13:22 |
| rejon_ | the rescue images are from 5-9-2011 | 13:23 |
| lekernel | mh, ok. the latest images (not those) have keyboard shortcuts to emulate the mouse. | 13:23 |
| rejon_ | k | 13:24 |
| lekernel | if you are lucky, the filesystem will not have been damaged by your failed flashing attempts and you'll still have the patch files ... | 13:25 |
| rejon_ | can you run patches in rescue mode? | 13:26 |
| rejon_ | (waiting to get a keyboard | 13:26 |
| rejon_ | ) | 13:26 |
| lekernel | yes | 13:26 |
| rejon_ | ok cool | 13:26 |
| rejon_ | what do i need to flash a microsd chip to? | 13:26 |
| rejon_ | vfat? | 13:27 |
| lekernel | yes | 13:27 |
| Action: wpwrak has rodent | 13:29 | |
| wpwrak | almost ready | 13:29 |
| rejon_ | great | 13:29 |
| rejon_ | lekernel, so i have sd card, i put patches onto it | 13:33 |
| lekernel | yeah and you hope the sd card will be recognized | 13:33 |
| lekernel | if you have only a mouse, you should be able to run patches | 13:34 |
| lekernel | keyboard is not needed for this | 13:34 |
| rejon_ | ok, i will try this first | 13:34 |
| rejon_ | (once wpwrak comes over) | 13:34 |
| lekernel | by the way, have you shorted L19 on your board? | 13:35 |
| rejon_ | no we decided to not do, because was too dangerous ;) | 13:36 |
| rejon_ | lekernel, so if i have to flash from sd, what files are needed on the sd card? | 13:36 |
| lekernel | https://github.com/milkymist/flickernoise/tree/master/patches | 13:36 |
| rejon_ | ok, already have those | 13:37 |
| rejon_ | on there | 13:37 |
| rejon_ | on the sd | 13:37 |
| lekernel | try not to use folders on the SD cards as this increase the likeliness of tickling bugs in the crappy rtems filesystem code | 13:37 |
| wpwrak | coming over | 13:39 |
| wpwrak | (l19) yeah, i think rejon is having enough fun already :) no need to increase murphy's window of opportunity | 13:43 |
| rejon_ | ok cool | 13:45 |
| rejon_ | we got images! | 13:45 |
| rejon_ | won't tempt fate and flash more | 13:45 |
| rejon_ | patches already installed | 13:45 |
| rejon_ | ok, great! | 13:45 |
| rejon_ | ok works in rescue, but getting crashes | 13:53 |
| rejon_ | we will try to flash now | 13:55 |
| rejon_ | lekernel, is this best way to update image? http://lekernel.net/blog/2010/12/upgrading-from-flickernoise-0-1-without-a-jtag-cable/ | 13:55 |
| lekernel | with the image you have yes | 13:55 |
| lekernel | use a ftp or the memory card to throw the images from latest xiangfu's snapshot then select the files in the gui | 13:56 |
| rejon_ | ok, so i don't need to do: dd if=flickernoise.fbi of=boot.bin bs=1 skip=8 | 13:56 |
| lekernel | no, you don't | 13:56 |
| rejon_ | ok | 13:56 |
| lekernel | just use images as they are on the sd card or via ftp | 13:56 |
| lekernel | the gui will shout at you if you don't have the fbi header anyway | 13:57 |
| lekernel | it's much safer than jtag... | 13:57 |
| rejon_ | ok | 13:59 |
| rejon_ | how does the sd card go in? | 14:02 |
| rejon_ | its tricky | 14:03 |
| lekernel | open the connector | 14:04 |
| lekernel | then _drop_ (not slide) the sd card in | 14:04 |
| rejon_ | ok we got | 14:04 |
| rejon_ | will rc3 ship with jtag? | 14:04 |
| lekernel | wolfspraul wants to, but I disagree | 14:05 |
| rejon_ | from werner: congratulations to the clever design of JTAG vs. uSD sharing air space (-:C | 14:05 |
| xiangfu | :D | 14:06 |
| wolfspraul | rejon_: of course rc3 ships with jtag | 14:08 |
| wolfspraul | the reasons are: | 14:09 |
| rejon_ | i don't want to hear right now | 14:09 |
| wolfspraul | 1) just earlier lekernel pointed out that he is still in the 95th percentile of 1-man projects | 14:09 |
| rejon_ | ok, we flashed it | 14:09 |
| wolfspraul | :-) | 14:09 |
| rejon_ | all is well! | 14:09 |
| rejon_ | which is camera input again? | 14:09 |
| wolfspraul | 2) I do not have enough feedback from people saying they don't need it | 14:09 |
| rejon_ | does it work on 2010-05-09 | 14:10 |
| wolfspraul | that's because we have pretty much zero feedback from rc2, and the few people that use it mostly need jtag | 14:10 |
| rejon_ | makes sense wolfspraul | 14:10 |
| rejon_ | can't talk now | 14:10 |
| rejon_ | which color for video in ? | 14:10 |
| wolfspraul | there is absolutely no basis to remove jtag from rc3, zero | 14:10 |
| lekernel | wolfspraul, flickernoise is, but the whole project isn't | 14:10 |
| rejon_ | green ? | 14:10 |
| wolfspraul | it will be removed once we have enough data to justify removing it. of cours it costs me money... | 14:10 |
| rejon_ | pink ? | 14:10 |
| wolfspraul | lekernel: I was joking | 14:10 |
| wolfspraul | jtag is a developer tool | 14:10 |
| wolfspraul | milkymist needs more developers | 14:11 |
| wolfspraul | I do not have enough data to justify removing it | 14:11 |
| wolfspraul | hopefully we can collect that data with rc3 and then make an educated decision for rc4 | 14:11 |
| wolfspraul | right now I mostly have silence. and the few active people we have all need it, for now | 14:11 |
| rejon_ | wolfspraul, shut up and tell us which is the video in :) | 14:11 |
| lekernel | green | 14:12 |
| wolfspraul | green one | 14:12 |
| rejon_ | thanks. is it working in the latest build ? | 14:12 |
| lekernel | yes | 14:12 |
| wolfspraul | rejon_: the new jtag-serial are not sharing memcard airspace anymore | 14:12 |
| rejon_ | this is 05-09 | 14:12 |
| lekernel | the only things that do not work with the latest build are | 14:12 |
| lekernel | 1) web update (but i'm on it) | 14:13 |
| lekernel | 2) german translation | 14:13 |
| rejon_ | note, wpwrak and i are rejon | 14:13 |
| lekernel | all the rest is supposed to work fine | 14:13 |
| rejon_ | so should we flash to latest? | 14:13 |
| rejon_ | from sd? | 14:13 |
| wolfspraul | don't flash to xiangfu's 07-01 | 14:13 |
| rejon_ | ok | 14:13 |
| rejon_ | so will keep at 05-09 | 14:13 |
| wolfspraul | maybe sebastien has something that is better than 05-09? | 14:13 |
| rejon_ | not getting camera to work with | 14:13 |
| wolfspraul | why not? | 14:13 |
| wolfspraul | camera will work | 14:13 |
| lekernel | xiangfu 07-01 is supposed to have only those two features missing and no bugs, unless xiangfu made a mistake | 14:14 |
| rejon_ | wolfspraul, you're a smart one. we should use you for breeding :) | 14:14 |
| lekernel | rejon_, if the camera doesn't work, reboot | 14:15 |
| lekernel | with the video signal present | 14:15 |
| lekernel | or better, short L19 | 14:15 |
| rejon_ | oh great, my little button glue came off | 14:15 |
| rejon_ | broken button | 14:15 |
| rejon_ | FAIL | 14:15 |
| rejon_ | those buttons have to change | 14:15 |
| rejon_ | realtime death | 14:15 |
| wolfspraul | totally | 14:16 |
| wolfspraul | but roh is working on a much better gluing solution, and that will be in rc3 | 14:17 |
| rejon_ | no glue | 14:17 |
| rejon_ | gluebad | 14:17 |
| rejon_ | wears out | 14:17 |
| wolfspraul | he will use a chemical glue | 14:17 |
| wolfspraul | that will not wear out :-) | 14:17 |
| wolfspraul | it will bond the pieces together for life (supposedly) | 14:17 |
| wolfspraul | but that doesn't help you now, sorry to hear about the broken button | 14:18 |
| wolfspraul | not much I can do, and not surprised | 14:18 |
| wolfspraul | it's extremely fiddly to get them back together, just use a tool to push the button :-) | 14:18 |
| lekernel | i seem particularly lucky here, my buttons were the first milkymist buttons to be assembled, i'm probably the one who uses them most, and they still hold... | 14:19 |
| lekernel | glued with cyanoacrylate | 14:19 |
| wolfspraul | lekernel: xiangfu's 07-01 boots my m1 into a big update window with several buttons (update from file, update from web, check versions, etc), but it's completely stuck. can move mouse but not click on anything. | 14:19 |
| lekernel | huh? wtf... | 14:20 |
| lekernel | i've never seen anything like that | 14:20 |
| xiangfu | wolfspraul: if you don't connect the network cable. it will exit in 180 seconds. | 14:20 |
| lekernel | so i'll try breaking mine as well.... | 14:21 |
| rejon_ | focusing on the camera not working | 14:21 |
| rejon_ | ok packing up | 14:21 |
| wolfspraul | xiangfu: ahh, ok. I wasn't patient enough, just flashed back to 05-09 | 14:21 |
| lekernel | wolfspraul, are you holding the auto update button or ...? | 14:21 |
| wolfspraul | why does it go to that window at all? shouldn't it boot into simple mode? | 14:21 |
| wolfspraul | no way, I'm just pressing the middle button | 14:21 |
| wolfspraul | rejon_: camera should work | 14:21 |
| wolfspraul | insert it before booting your m1, that will always work | 14:21 |
| wolfspraul | or have werner short L19, should be really easy actually | 14:22 |
| wolfspraul | good luck!!! You are making it to the finish line with your last men, I guess :-) | 14:22 |
| lekernel | wolfspraul, sounds like the auto update shortcut is triggered at boot, for some reason | 14:22 |
| lekernel | then you run into the "freeze without network connectivity" bug I've bothered xiangfu with | 14:22 |
| rejon_ | yes, we got it | 14:22 |
| rejon_ | presentation rockin | 14:22 |
| rejon_ | all will be on video ifyou want to watch me fail out ;) | 14:23 |
| wolfspraul | all small details, I just wrote it so rejon_ doesn't fall into those 07-01 issues now | 14:23 |
| rejon_ | bbiab | 14:23 |
| wolfspraul | url? | 14:23 |
| wolfspraul | ok I google | 14:23 |
| lekernel | wolfspraul, yeah but this is super pesky. i'm tired of endlessly fixing trivial crap like that. | 14:23 |
| lekernel | rejon_, gluck | 14:23 |
| lekernel | wolfspraul, have you found a streaming url? | 14:25 |
| wolfspraul | maybe this http://tv.softwarelivre.org/aovivo/sala-40t-teatro | 14:27 |
| wolfspraul | you try, very slow for me here... | 14:27 |
| wolfspraul | that's the link gbraad-china posted | 14:28 |
| lekernel | this video stream causes mplayer and ffplay mega-bugs, but I should be able to record the stream ... | 14:30 |
| wolfspraul | maybe it's not on yet | 14:32 |
| wolfspraul | here are other channels http://tv.softwarelivre.org/category/tags/fisl12 | 14:32 |
| lekernel | heh, schedule says 13:00 ?? | 14:33 |
| lekernel | and it's 11:30 in Brazil now, no? | 14:33 |
| wolfspraul | maybe Jon is a little nervous :-) | 14:33 |
| lekernel | if you check the schedule http://fisl.org.br/12/papers_ng/public/fast_grid?event_id=1 | 14:33 |
| lekernel | it's the right stream | 14:33 |
| lekernel | it's the zappix lecture atm | 14:34 |
| lekernel | in room 40t | 14:34 |
| lekernel | so milkymist talk is in 1:30 | 14:34 |
| wolfspraul | ok | 14:34 |
| wolfspraul | good that we were able to patch his unit together | 14:35 |
| lekernel | yeah... | 14:36 |
| lekernel | wolfspraul, we should look at this bug you have with the latest image | 14:36 |
| lekernel | can you flash back the latest snapshot and try to see if the update button isn't by accident pressed? | 14:36 |
| lekernel | e.g. you could have too tight mechanical tolerances on the case and it stays pressed | 14:37 |
| wolfspraul | that is possible | 14:38 |
| wolfspraul | the buttons are one of my biggest sources of concern | 14:38 |
| wolfspraul | my hopes are resting on the new glue roh will be using, it should be very thin too, better than the hand-glued stuff various people have | 14:39 |
| wolfspraul | I will reflash in a moment and let you know | 14:45 |
| GitHub171 | [flickernoise] sbourdeauducq pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/lHnx9a | 14:53 |
| GitHub171 | [flickernoise/master] Web update: check versions (untested) - Sebastien Bourdeauducq | 14:53 |
| wolfspraul | rejon_: I think this is where you will be http://tv.softwarelivre.org/aovivo/sala-40t-teatro | 14:57 |
| rejon_ | yes | 14:57 |
| rejon_ | we met ppl who wrote that software | 14:58 |
| rejon_ | another good use case | 14:58 |
| rejon_ | longer term mm1 | 14:58 |
| lekernel | mh? | 14:59 |
| wolfspraul | lekernel: reflashed 07-01, pretty sure no button is pressed, still got to the update screen | 15:00 |
| lekernel | works for me... as always | 15:00 |
| lekernel | shit!!!!! | 15:00 |
| lekernel | see why software needs to speed up as well? unexpected pesky problems | 15:00 |
| lekernel | the boards go through SMT on 11th (hopefully) | 15:01 |
| lekernel | then they will be ready for flashing | 15:01 |
| wolfspraul | you asked me to test this again, now what? I'm not surprised the bug is still there, that's why I went back to 05-09 :-) but this is a small thing, I'm not worried about it. | 15:03 |
| wolfspraul | xiangfu is currently traveling because of an emergency and doesn't have his m1 with him. he probably released the 07-01 image in a rush, without testing much, if at all. | 15:03 |
| wolfspraul | I think no need to worry about this tiny bug. | 15:03 |
| wolfspraul | I wait 180 seconds now :-) | 15:04 |
| wolfspraul | actually I already waited 180 seconds, I doubt that's enough... | 15:04 |
| wolfspraul | the last msg I get is "Failed to download bitstream.", then it's stuck | 15:06 |
| lekernel | the current web update code has tons of bugs, that's why I insisted it be fixed. but in your case this is a new and unexpected problem - the code shouldn't be run at all | 15:07 |
| wolfspraul | but it's very minor, it shouldn't distract you | 15:08 |
| wolfspraul | I will just go back to 05-09 now, and when xiangfu is back with his m1 he will get to the bottom of this small bug | 15:08 |
| wolfspraul | I just rebooted again, still the same (no buttons pressed for sure) | 15:09 |
| wolfspraul | also no 180 seconds delay, it's either longer or permanently stuck | 15:09 |
| wolfspraul | lekernel: so xiangfu's 07-01 image boots into simple mode on your m1? | 15:09 |
| lekernel | i haven't tested this particular image yet, but the one I have compiled theoretically from the same source does | 15:10 |
| wolfspraul | ah | 15:11 |
| wolfspraul | :-) | 15:11 |
| wolfspraul | well maybe you test the 07-01 image | 15:11 |
| wolfspraul | if you are interested in this bug | 15:11 |
| wolfspraul | but I suggest you to not do that, and let xiangfu get back to his m1 and in control first | 15:11 |
| wolfspraul | he sent this image out in a hurry, I think while traveling, without access to his m1. maybe even without any testing. | 15:12 |
| wolfspraul | this will be cleared up soon. | 15:12 |
| wolfspraul | it's a good reminder for me that once we have products on the market, we need a test plan and regression tests before pushing updates out | 15:12 |
| wolfspraul | so that was a welcome wakeup call :-) | 15:12 |
| wolfspraul | lekernel: ? | 15:22 |
| lekernel | yes? | 15:22 |
| wolfspraul | what's the solution? | 15:23 |
| lekernel | let xiangfu have a look? | 15:23 |
| wolfspraul | we wait for xiangfu to fix it? I go back to 05-09? | 15:23 |
| wolfspraul | ok good | 15:23 |
| wolfspraul | I agree | 15:23 |
| GitHub18 | [flickernoise] sbourdeauducq pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/kO2e7s | 15:43 |
| GitHub18 | [flickernoise/master] Web update: version check working, verify HTTP response codes - Sebastien Bourdeauducq | 15:43 |
| kristianpaul | wolfspraul: roh , for my home made buttons those are are glued with silicone, no problem so as i reboot and poweron a lot | 15:51 |
| lekernel | milkymist talk now | 16:03 |
| kristianpaul | link? | 16:04 |
| lekernel | in a few minutes I think | 16:04 |
| lekernel | it's still openleaks | 16:04 |
| lekernel | http://tv.softwarelivre.org/aovivo/sala-40t-teatro | 16:04 |
| kristianpaul | ah, yeah i was about to said | 16:05 |
| kristianpaul | yes same link here | 16:05 |
| lekernel | aargh the video is so buggy for me | 16:07 |
| kristianpaul | same here | 16:08 |
| kristianpaul | i think the cutoff for switching/room preparation | 16:08 |
| kristianpaul | ectc.. | 16:08 |
| lekernel | i can't get it to work at all atm | 16:09 |
| kristianpaul | "inherent ethical advantage over proprietary competitors" yeah, thats free software, | 16:09 |
| lekernel | ? | 16:09 |
| kristianpaul | hill-when_free_software_isnt_better.html | 16:09 |
| lekernel | ah, working now! | 16:13 |
| Action: kristianpaul swichted it cvlc to make it work | 16:14 | |
| lekernel | haha rejon rocks at talking :) | 16:15 |
| kristianpaul | yeah | 16:15 |
| lekernel | argh. plug in time :) | 16:34 |
| kristianpaul | phew.. ! | 16:34 |
| kristianpaul | video in os not the best for ppt | 16:35 |
| kristianpaul | he should move patches demos.. | 16:35 |
| kristianpaul | s/os/ is | 16:35 |
| kristianpaul | :) | 16:35 |
| kristianpaul | cool | 16:35 |
| lekernel | some dancers on the stage | 16:36 |
| lekernel | LOL | 16:36 |
| kristianpaul | :D | 16:36 |
| kristianpaul | or demoing OSC for next time | 16:36 |
| kristianpaul | and let people try out | 16:36 |
| kristianpaul | man i need to get a portable mini projector so i can demo mm1 at parties more esilly | 16:37 |
| kristianpaul | pretty smooth he :) | 16:38 |
| kristianpaul | ha, thats wernet | 16:39 |
| kristianpaul | r | 16:39 |
| lekernel | werner :)) | 16:40 |
| lekernel | ah, the "milkymist kills VJs" argument. I heard that one before too :) | 16:50 |
| kristianpaul | wow is this man is worried for now more for jobs VJs. well got impresed right? :) | 16:50 |
| kristianpaul | he | 16:50 |
| kristianpaul | milkymist make more VJs, any one for easy :) | 16:51 |
| lekernel | good answer Jon :) | 16:51 |
| lekernel | nice talk. uploading to vimeo ... | 17:00 |
| kristianpaul | interesting concept http://lamiam.fr/ but this guys should aware of milkymist for sure | 17:07 |
| lekernel | they are, but they probably need being talked to before they jump into it | 17:33 |
| lekernel | does it work for anyone? http://www.vimeo.com/25905582 | 17:56 |
| lekernel | "Uh oh! There was a problem loading this video" for me | 17:56 |
| lekernel | what video format from hell is fisl using? tickles bugs in ffmpeg, mplayer and vimeo ... | 18:03 |
| kristianpaul | ogv no? | 18:03 |
| kristianpaul | same Uh oh here | 18:04 |
| lekernel | what a mess | 18:12 |
| lekernel | i'm trying to convert to mp4 ... | 18:13 |
| lekernel | http://vimeo.com/25905582 working now | 19:06 |
| lekernel | [{#{[~!!!! audio isn't in sync | 19:17 |
| lekernel | this FISL stream format looks like VHS's macrovision protection ... | 19:18 |
| lekernel | it creates bugs *everywhere* | 19:18 |
| wpwrak | ;-)) | 19:22 |
| wpwrak | sounds lovely | 19:22 |
| wpwrak | the audience really liked the demo | 19:23 |
| lekernel | cool :) | 19:24 |
| lekernel | thanks for the talk! | 19:24 |
| lekernel | for my next demos, I should try to bring some kind of ghetto-blaster and put on music | 19:27 |
| wpwrak | yeah :) blast them away ! | 19:28 |
| lekernel | best would be a blaster with MP3 playback capability, a decent sound quality, and simultaneous minijack output to feed into the M1 | 19:28 |
| lekernel | i did some demos with my diy tube amp, but it's a bit inconvenient to put in place quickly ;) | 19:31 |
| GitHub114 | [flickernoise] sbourdeauducq pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/jimgPE | 21:53 |
| GitHub114 | [flickernoise/master] Web update: patch pool update manager (untested) - Sebastien Bourdeauducq | 21:53 |
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