| lekernel_ | http://okcon.org/2011/programme/open-source-hardware-and-milkymist | 12:38 |
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| wpwrak | lekernel: nice ! | 13:34 |
| lekernel | there will be rms, so I can tell him my opinion about autocrap, gcc, etc. | 13:35 |
| lekernel | (just kidding :p) | 13:35 |
| wolfspraul | he will ignore what you say and remind you that you need to say "gnu automake" not just "automake" | 13:36 |
| wpwrak | ;-)) | 13:36 |
| lekernel | I already usually refer to that junk as "GNU/Autocrap" :) | 13:37 |
| wolfspraul | he will say he has never heard of such a GNU project | 13:38 |
| lekernel | hahaha | 13:38 |
| lekernel | anyway, i'm not going to waste time on that | 13:38 |
| wpwrak | pity. winning the war aginst autocrap through single combat against rms would be quite something ;-) | 13:39 |
| kristianpaul | lekernel: just take a pictures of rms holding a mm1, we need that markerting stuff ;) | 13:53 |
| kristianpaul | s/a/some/ | 13:53 |
| wpwrak | kristianpaul: or if rms turns out to be too stubborn, take a picture of rms, one of the mm1, then let gimp make the happy union ;-) | 13:55 |
| kristianpaul | hehe | 13:55 |
| kristianpaul | oh, is a Workshop | 13:57 |
| lekernel | no, it's not... I don't know why they have put it (and other talks apparently) on the workshop track | 13:58 |
| lekernel | I hope it's not going to be a 27C3-like fuckup | 13:58 |
| kristianpaul | i was reading the programme | 13:59 |
| kristianpaul | http://okcon.org/2011/programme/panel-open-hardware-open-standards | 14:03 |
| kristianpaul | http://okcon.org/2011/programme/an-international-private-standard-for-open-source-hardware | 14:04 |
| kristianpaul | and lekernel's workshop II :-) | 14:04 |
| lekernel | ah, yeah, OHANDA stuff | 14:04 |
| lekernel | http://www.ohanda.org/ | 14:05 |
| lekernel | they haven't got much done | 14:05 |
| lekernel | and they started _before_ milkymist iirc | 14:05 |
| kristianpaul | hardware is becoming a must talk, but hardware is no just electronics of course | 14:07 |
| Action: kristianpaul found http://www.ohanda.org/products/magh-3g-good-stove | 14:07 | |
| wolfspraul | lekernel: how many keys do you think are on the perfect m1 remote control? | 15:29 |
| wolfspraul | I mean 'buttons', not keys... | 15:30 |
| lekernel | those thinkpad laptops definitely do not deserve their reputation for quality. recompile gcc, and they overheat and shutdown ... | 15:39 |
| lekernel | plus broken bluetooth, broken touchpad keys, and I had to replace the hard disk and the battery too | 15:40 |
| lekernel | wolfspraul, 15-20 i'd say | 15:40 |
| wolfspraul | probably lenovo thinkpad already? | 15:42 |
| lekernel | yes | 15:43 |
| lekernel | t61p | 15:43 |
| wolfspraul | I don't think there is much quality difference between any of the OEMs, maybe except for Apple and some Japanese ones | 15:43 |
| wolfspraul | the rest is all the same, even made in the same factories :-) | 15:43 |
| roh | *hint* ..T60/T61 devices are >4/5 years now. | 16:51 |
| roh | means all other devices from that time are long gone and broken. but you still get spareparts. it shuts off if your fan is defective and doesnt cool enough. | 16:52 |
| roh | wolfspraul: all thinkpads were lenovo, even years before ibm let them take over. | 16:53 |
| lekernel | i've always had that problem | 16:54 |
| lekernel | from the beginning | 16:54 |
| roh | well.. then maybe your fan is broken or badly mounted. sometimes one badly trained one leaves the protective film on the fan unit (which includes a heatpipe and 2 more copper blocks with heat-transfer pads | 16:55 |
| lekernel | I fixed that crap 3 times already, adding more thermal paste | 16:56 |
| lekernel | it works for a couple of months then overheats again | 16:56 |
| roh | the point is: there is a manual, there are spareparts. that also differs them from others | 16:56 |
| roh | if you ADD paste it propably iss too much. | 16:56 |
| lekernel | well, scraping the old one ofc | 16:57 |
| roh | you shouldnt need any thermal paste beyond the cpu | 16:57 |
| roh | the gpu and soc ones should be fine with these pads | 16:57 |
| lekernel | they also have some pads which are getting old | 16:57 |
| roh | also the fan wears. if its getting loud and idle the machine has >50.0°C, its broken. | 16:57 |
| lekernel | nevertheless this is crap hardware | 16:58 |
| roh | buy a new one. costs about 40E .. i do the same all year or so. | 16:58 |
| roh | lekernel: well.. if you believe so. i haven found anything better yet. lenovo got worse a tiny bit, and all other manufs havent got anything compareable mechanically anyhow. | 16:59 |
| lekernel | bluetooth breaking intermittently, battery dead after 1 yr, hard disk dead after 3 yrs, mouse button broken after 6 months, overheating all the time... well... | 17:00 |
| lekernel | the others are worse? | 17:00 |
| roh | i will swap my t60p fan soon also. (again) my machine still works and anything faster doesnt have faster io, so i dont care | 17:00 |
| roh | lekernel: overheating sounds like a 'badly manufactured/broken fan'thing, not a conceptual proble, (i have also such a machine which doesnt do that) | 17:01 |
| roh | all the rest is wear. | 17:02 |
| roh | beyond the battery. mine is 4 years old and still got 80%. panasonic cells. the sanyo are worse | 17:02 |
| roh | my guess is: your machine is dirty. bt is a module with a very small connector. its pressed on the pcb and should be held by 1 or 2 screws. if its loose maybe. if not, there is some pcb breakage | 17:03 |
| roh | which means, your machine wasnt serviced properly or had endured some evil mechanic stress. | 17:04 |
| roh | making sure all screws sit tight is an important part of service. makes them live longer for years | 17:04 |
| roh | try removing the br module and check for dust in the conn. | 17:06 |
| CIA-29 | rtems-milkymist: Sebastien Bourdeauducq master * r2559487 / cpukit/libfs/src/imfs/imfs_stat.c : imfs: use configured block size - http://bit.ly/lc4F8U | 17:18 |
| lekernel | roh, i'm looking for people to fill my car and go to www.hacknight.se | 20:22 |
| lekernel | hopefully the copenhagen suborbital guys will be there | 20:23 |
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