| kristianpaul | xiangfu: hi ! | 00:56 |
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| kristianpaul | hi aw :-) | 00:56 |
| kristianpaul | xiangfu: for the cards you sent me, if dont remenber well if you have issues trying to create files/folders on it?.. | 00:57 |
| aw | kristianpaul, hi evening! | 00:57 |
| kristianpaul | so far i jus tried by ftp and was no sucefullyy even whe the ftp logs dint mentioned anythin wrong | 00:58 |
| aw | xiangfu, have u received those cables? | 00:59 |
| lekernel | kristianpaul: hmm, C++ :( | 08:51 |
| lekernel | then we get the GCC problems or need to use 4.4 | 08:52 |
| wolfspraul | lekernel: C++ for lm32 worked in 4.4 but stopped working in 4.5? and things got even worse in 4.6? | 08:54 |
| wolfspraul | should xiangfu help you with any of this? are there any particular bugs, or patches you need to upstream, or some gcc/lm32 maintainer role xiangfu could play? | 08:55 |
| lekernel | wolfspraul: yes | 10:02 |
| lekernel | wolfspraul: I already have commit access to gcc, the problem is time and motivation to fix that ... and the gcc code isn't exactly nice to play with | 10:02 |
| lekernel | I already fixed a few things in the LM32 port, but now the 4.6 compiler doesn't work at all, and C++ is broken in 4.5 | 10:03 |
| lekernel | C++ isn't very important though | 10:03 |
| wolfspraul | lekernel: sounds like xiangfu can help | 10:15 |
| wolfspraul | especially if there are regressions, I think we should catch them asap/immediately | 10:15 |
| wolfspraul | that's by far easier than letting things slip that already worked in the past, imo | 10:16 |
| lekernel | well... right now we have a solution: stick to 4.5 or, in worst cases, use 4.4 | 10:16 |
| lekernel | so let's not spend our limited resources on this | 10:16 |
| wolfspraul | lekernel: if you have patches in your gcc queue, or some gcc bugs (url to tracker?), please post so xiangfu can start to warm up on those | 10:16 |
| wolfspraul | yes sure understood. but like I said, I think regressions should be fixed fast, that's the easiest. | 10:17 |
| lekernel | already there: http://www.milkymist.org/wiki/index.php?title=GCC_bug_list | 10:17 |
| wolfspraul | and gcc will keep moving forward | 10:17 |
| wolfspraul | ok great | 10:17 |
| lekernel | the 4.6 breakage has already been there for a while | 10:17 |
| lekernel | september or so | 10:17 |
| kristianpaul | C++ ahh, dint new it :( | 11:21 |
| aw_ | lekernel, Do you prefer that enable SPDIF by pulling high pin44? or s/w by bit SPDF in register 5Ch should be set? | 12:28 |
| lekernel | don't connect anything spdif related | 12:30 |
| lekernel | put the pin to the expansion header, but don't connect it | 12:30 |
| aw_ | the SPDIF meeds digital GND not AUDIO_AGND, so I'll change two pins on J3 be as: SPDIF OUT and GND. | 12:30 |
| aw_ | yes, I just only connect wires for them only, no further extra-circuits | 12:31 |
| aw_ | agreed? or NO GND on J3? | 12:32 |
| lekernel | you just connect the spdif stuff to J3 | 12:32 |
| aw_ | J21 already have two GND pins. | 12:32 |
| lekernel | and we still need a GND on J3 | 12:33 |
| aw_ | yes, connected. | 12:33 |
| lekernel | I think there are enough pins, no? | 12:33 |
| aw_ | hum...okay..just added. | 12:33 |
| lekernel | yeah there are 5 grounds on J3 | 12:33 |
| aw_ | #pin1 of J3 = SPDIF OUT, #pin3 of J3 = digital GND. | 12:34 |
| lekernel | so remove 2, and you connect the SPDIF stuff to there | 12:34 |
| lekernel | or 3 if you want to add digital GND as well | 12:34 |
| aw_ | yeah. okay..done on Audio file. :-) | 12:35 |
| aw_ | thanks. | 12:35 |
| aw_ | btw, another things. | 12:36 |
| aw_ | to have a easy way that when soldering some digital grounds for user experiments/hackable purposes, I'd like to add GND test point which just open a solder layer and user can easy soldering on that bigger GND test point/soldering point. Are you okay with this? | 12:38 |
| lekernel | ok | 12:39 |
| lekernel | maybe even of just a solder layer | 12:39 |
| lekernel | you can use a hole with the possibility to solder a pin | 12:39 |
| aw_ | right, just open a solder layer though. | 12:40 |
| lekernel | so you can attach the ground of a scope probe to it with no risk of breaking the solder or ripping the copper | 12:40 |
| aw_ | hup? you want a hole? a thorough hole? I don't want to use a through hole. just want user don't touch parts's GND. :-) | 12:41 |
| aw_ | sorry that I can't follow your 'hole" meanings. | 12:42 |
| lekernel | if you ask me, yes, i'd prefer a through hole | 12:42 |
| lekernel | this way you can 1. solder a pin through it 2. attach a scope's crocodile clip to the pin, without major risk of breaking stuff | 12:43 |
| lekernel | but it's very unimportant, so if there is the slightest problem with the through hole, don't do it | 12:44 |
| aw_ | hmm....i see know. so prefer using a GND through header pin instead of using test pointes, right? | 12:44 |
| lekernel | yes | 12:44 |
| aw_ | no no. i frequently solder and did some experiments, so we just missed this minor things but good. | 12:45 |
| aw_ | okay, got it. | 12:45 |
| lekernel | but again: this is NOT important. so if there's any problem or delay arising from it, use just a test point, or do nothing | 12:45 |
| aw_ | yep. | 12:45 |
| aw_ | how about I just add bigger test points nearby four J12~J15? then I don't need to source just other hearder pins. :-) | 12:49 |
| aw_ | i.e. at four corners. of board :-) | 12:50 |
| lekernel | don't source header pins | 12:51 |
| lekernel | people who can use a scope can solder them themselves | 12:51 |
| lekernel | just add a hole for a header pin and DNP it | 12:51 |
| aw_ | okay...just one through hole only? | 12:52 |
| lekernel | yeah... | 12:52 |
| aw_ | :-) okay. | 12:53 |
| lekernel | you can also DNP J3, btw | 12:54 |
| aw_ | no no...J3 header is good even few people use it. :-) | 12:55 |
| aw_ | who knows that one day someone will do great works on mixing other audio sources for video effect though. :-) | 12:57 |
| terpstra_ | the milkymist only costs 70 EUR??? | 13:07 |
| terpstra_ | that's shockingly cheap. how many have you managed to sell? | 13:07 |
| lekernel | nah, where did you find that? | 13:08 |
| lekernel | the board is 380E | 13:08 |
| terpstra_ | http://hackable-devices.org/search/products/?criteria=milkymist | 13:09 |
| lekernel | we might reach 70E at some point but we'd need _huge_ volume orders :p | 13:09 |
| terpstra_ | the price just changed!\ | 13:09 |
| terpstra_ | it was 70 | 13:09 |
| terpstra_ | now it says 380 | 13:09 |
| terpstra_ | bait and switch! | 13:09 |
| terpstra_ | oohhhh - it's the kit part that is 70 | 13:09 |
| terpstra_ | nmind | 13:09 |
| lekernel | maybe 70 was just the case kit | 13:09 |
| lekernel | yes | 13:09 |
| terpstra_ | how many have you sold for 380EUR? seems a bit more than most people (including me) would be willing to pay for a (private/personal) hacking/devel platform. | 13:10 |
| terpstra | at 70 i would've ordered one this instant ;) | 13:11 |
| lekernel | not many, about 35 | 13:11 |
| lekernel | well that's a serious problem | 13:11 |
| lekernel | either you make a hacking/devel platform, and you have low volumes, so either it's expensive or you make something ridiculously simple like arduino | 13:12 |
| terpstra | sure | 13:12 |
| terpstra | i am not a hardware hacker, though i've been forced to work with vhdl/verilog lately. so for me, things like the linksys routers and kindle are the stuff i buy to tweak. | 13:13 |
| terpstra | and those are all < 100EUR for much thicker hardware | 13:13 |
| lekernel | *or* you go to other markets, which is what I plan doing with milkymist, which would potentially allow larger volumes and definitely higher prices than what most hackers are often ready to pay | 13:13 |
| terpstra | (but no fpga) | 13:13 |
| lekernel | yeah but those are built in much larger volumes than the milkymist today | 13:14 |
| terpstra | yes, i know | 13:14 |
| lekernel | it's a chicken and egg problem | 13:14 |
| terpstra | yeah | 13:14 |
| terpstra | the FPGA part of the milkymist is what makes it both more interesting and more expensive, though, i guess | 13:14 |
| lekernel | not only, that part is only about $40 (not including taxes) | 13:15 |
| terpstra | *blink* | 13:15 |
| lekernel | we have costs everywhere | 13:15 |
| terpstra | no disk controller except for via usb? | 13:17 |
| terpstra | anyway, nifty device | 13:17 |
| lekernel | there's the internal memory card | 13:18 |
| lekernel | you can easily have 8GB (or so) cards those days | 13:18 |
| terpstra | true | 13:19 |
| lekernel | btw, even as a devel platform the M1 isn't that expensive. you can compare it to http://www.digilentinc.com/atlys/ for example | 13:20 |
| terpstra | http://www.altera.com/products/devkits/altera/kit-cyc3-starter.html ... mroe RAM and bigger FPGA | 13:21 |
| lekernel | and less peripherals. and we're not Altera. | 13:21 |
| terpstra | (no A/V stuff, though, but i don't care about that part of the milkymist myself) | 13:21 |
| terpstra | that link you posted is dead btw | 13:22 |
| lekernel | no, the server is just slow | 13:23 |
| lekernel | try archive.org maybe | 13:23 |
| terpstra | what i bet you could sell quite well: | 13:24 |
| terpstra | a slightly more powerful milkymist that could run debian | 13:24 |
| terpstra | think of all the FSF nuts who could finally have their free OS running free HW | 13:24 |
| terpstra | i bet you could charge 380EUR no problem then | 13:24 |
| lekernel | the current one could run debian... it's mostly a software problem. but slowly. | 13:24 |
| terpstra | yes | 13:24 |
| terpstra | no | 13:24 |
| terpstra | you need an MMU | 13:24 |
| terpstra | no debian without a proper MMU | 13:24 |
| lekernel | counts as 'software' | 13:25 |
| terpstra | ahh | 13:25 |
| terpstra | also no disk controller | 13:25 |
| terpstra | and too little RAM | 13:25 |
| terpstra | if you had 512MB (or better 1GB) and a SATA plug then it would be able to really run a debian desktop | 13:25 |
| lekernel | and the MMU isn't the biggest problem, gcc, libc, linux and all those non portable GNU wares are the major pain | 13:25 |
| lekernel | with a 80MHz CPU? not really I think | 13:25 |
| terpstra | right, forget the fpga is so weak on that board | 13:26 |
| terpstra | my LM32 runs at 175MHz | 13:26 |
| lekernel | even 175M is slow | 13:26 |
| terpstra | true | 13:26 |
| terpstra | but not so bad | 13:26 |
| terpstra | arm processors at 500MHz run debian ok | 13:26 |
| lekernel | and if we take those FPGAs that can run at 175, it's going to cost a lot | 13:26 |
| terpstra | i'm not trying to push you to make the milkymist run debian. i was just envisioning a market of people who would be willing to pay a premium for an openhardware product. | 13:27 |
| lekernel | also, the FSF in fact doesn't really care about open hardware | 13:27 |
| terpstra | you need zealots like the people who buy apple. | 13:27 |
| terpstra | debian/linux people are the same only even more extreme. | 13:27 |
| lekernel | the problem is they have absolutely no idea what logic synthesis is about | 13:28 |
| terpstra | why is that a problem? | 13:28 |
| lekernel | for them the CPU is hardware and not their problem | 13:28 |
| terpstra | sure. | 13:28 |
| terpstra | oh -- you mean they wouldn't buy into the free hardware angle? | 13:29 |
| lekernel | yes | 13:29 |
| terpstra | i don't agree. debian even ditch custom firmware from the kernel. | 13:29 |
| lekernel | as long as it's free from 'blobs' they're happy | 13:29 |
| lekernel | firmware is 'blob' | 13:29 |
| terpstra | i think happy is relative | 13:29 |
| lekernel | now they could even moan, rightfully I admit, about the bitstream being a 'blob' | 13:29 |
| terpstra | they have the most free that they can get. | 13:29 |
| terpstra | if a milkymist-like product could run debian reasonably well, they'd have a new freedom option that they didn't previously | 13:30 |
| lekernel | well, we can figure that out before | 13:30 |
| lekernel | we can definitely ping the FSF about this | 13:31 |
| terpstra | and you're quite correct that they will moan about the synthesis tool not being free | 13:31 |
| lekernel | even given the current state of things | 13:31 |
| terpstra | but isn't that what you moan about too? | 13:31 |
| terpstra | maybe they would help you out! ;) | 13:31 |
| lekernel | sure. they would be right doing that. but that's not going to improve sales. | 13:31 |
| terpstra | any publicity will improve your sales. | 13:31 |
| terpstra | no one i have spoken to has heard of the milkymist | 13:31 |
| terpstra | i only found it myself when looking into opencores and researching the lm32 | 13:32 |
| terpstra | (opencores here is open cpus, not the website) | 13:32 |
| lekernel | mh... don't know. maybe you're right and the FSF is worth trying... | 13:33 |
| lekernel | but otoh I've contacted so many people and been turned down so many times that I have doubts about that | 13:33 |
| terpstra | i don't understand why you would ask the FSF? | 13:34 |
| terpstra | they don't run debian | 13:34 |
| terpstra | people would only really care once/if you had debian able to boot. | 13:34 |
| terpstra | not many people are interested in a half-finished product | 13:34 |
| lekernel | that sounds like going through a lot of pain for something very uncertan | 13:34 |
| terpstra | isn't that what you're already doing with the milkymist? ;) | 13:35 |
| terpstra | anyway, i'm not trying to pressure you to do this! | 13:35 |
| terpstra | i was just thinking out loud about what market would be willing to pay a premium for open hardware | 13:36 |
| terpstra | (b/c let's face it, there will definitely be quite a premium) | 13:36 |
| terpstra | the audio/video nuts certainly like to pay too much also (gold plated usb plugs?!) so that is also a good market | 13:36 |
| lekernel | my plan is not to put forward openness in most of the marketing stuff | 13:38 |
| lekernel | I think only a small minority of people are interested in that anyway | 13:38 |
| terpstra | you are planning to make a business around the milkymist, though? | 13:39 |
| lekernel | sure. I rather envision a regular hardware product developed using open source practices | 13:40 |
| terpstra | cool. | 13:40 |
| lekernel | that being said, we could DEFINITELY benefit from more publicity in hacker/embedded circles | 13:40 |
| terpstra | btw, ohwr.org is exactly aligned with your stated goals. | 13:41 |
| lekernel | isn't ohwr.org centered on particle physics? | 13:41 |
| terpstra | 'regular hardware product developed with open source practices' | 13:41 |
| terpstra | nah, that quote might as well have come from javier - they guy who founded it | 13:42 |
| lekernel | why do you think there should be a premium for open source hardware, btw? | 13:47 |
| terpstra | if you use and fpga and sell low volumes ... | 13:47 |
| terpstra | anyway, i'm off | 13:47 |
| terpstra | (i don't think it's open hardware per se, but a small enthusist project like you have now that costs) | 13:48 |
| lekernel | yeah sure | 13:59 |
| lekernel | but hopefully this is a temporary state | 13:59 |
| lekernel | it's going to be hard to get past it, but I hope it will happen | 14:01 |
| lekernel | as a matter of fact, the milkymist product is soon reaching a state of usability and quality where we can begin trying hard to contact retail chains, businessmen, etc. | 14:03 |
| lestat | hi there | 15:10 |
| kristianpaul | hi lestat | 17:56 |
| lestat | hello kristianpaul | 17:57 |
| kristianpaul | he, rms is requesting for a Free Software GSM phone at osmocom baseband mailist | 18:26 |
| lekernel | oh, miracle | 18:27 |
| lekernel | Google answered | 18:27 |
| kristianpaul | :o | 18:27 |
| lekernel | Thanks for contacting us through the WebM project and sorry for the long wait. | 18:27 |
| lekernel | I took a look at the Milkymist SoC at your website and it really looks like a great project! However, our WebM RTL is not open source although it is free, so I don't know if there is a way we could make it part of that platform. Please let me know if you have a suggestion. | 18:27 |
| kristianpaul | ha.. i was waiting for such us answer | 18:28 |
| lekernel | yeah, but I wonder why they do that | 18:29 |
| kristianpaul | just a dirty marketing strategy i guess | 18:30 |
| kristianpaul | or just realize that IP have so much value that cant be open/libre | 18:30 |
| lekernel | they claim it is free of charge | 18:31 |
| kristianpaul | or they jus waiting emails from companies that will surelly pay for the licesing of this IP and not mails from open source projects | 18:31 |
| lekernel | and that you get the source (but with NDA I'd guess) | 18:31 |
| kristianpaul | hmm well yes | 18:31 |
| lekernel | so why restrict it? | 18:32 |
| kristianpaul | because the fear to leaks? | 18:32 |
| lekernel | what's 'leak' ? | 18:32 |
| kristianpaul | information leak? | 18:32 |
| lekernel | what I mean is: why not allow people to redistribute that source, if they're not making any money from it | 18:33 |
| kristianpaul | (money) no yet ;) | 18:33 |
| kristianpaul | not* | 18:33 |
| kristianpaul | the lied, thats all | 18:34 |
| kristianpaul | they* | 18:35 |
| lekernel | don't know | 18:35 |
| lekernel | i'll ask them this question | 18:35 |
| lekernel | then maybe in another 6 months I'll get the answer :-) | 18:35 |
| larsc | hm... provide an interface to the webm rtl and tell everybody to request the source themself | 18:35 |
| kristianpaul | they will be happy if you answer with a technical solution to use the free/gratis bitstream ;) | 18:40 |
| lekernel | nah, i'll clearly mention this isn't an option | 18:41 |
| lekernel | if they don't answer or tell me to go to hell, starting the development of an independent WebM encoder because Google isn't open sourcing it definitely is PR-worthy and troll-prone material, so either case we'll gain something :p | 18:44 |
| kristianpaul | i agree | 18:46 |
| GraveDigger | +1 | 18:56 |
| kristianpaul | http://lists.osmocom.org/pipermail/baseband-devel/2011-May/001758.html | 18:56 |
| lekernel | "it would be the first mobile phone that he himself would be able to use, given that there is no proprietary software on the baseband anymore" | 18:59 |
| lekernel | yeah well | 18:59 |
| lekernel | we do more than software | 18:59 |
| lekernel | and anyway open source hardware exposes flaws in the FSF talking, so .... | 19:00 |
| kristianpaul | yeah, i agree with Sylvain Munaut about DSP part, of course FSF will no care about that.. | 19:01 |
| lekernel | plus those projects are a gift that the mobile phone manufacturers do not deserve | 19:02 |
| kristianpaul | and for a first phone why no? mm1 is not a DSP focus yet.. | 19:02 |
| kristianpaul | but a phone is an interesting turn-key problem to be solve using free software ;) | 19:03 |
| kristianpaul | also VJs of course ;) | 19:03 |
| kristianpaul | VJings* | 19:03 |
| lekernel | mobile phones are a very competitive business... | 19:07 |
| lekernel | so after you get that phone to work technically (openmoko didn't even get there), how do you sell it? | 19:08 |
| kristianpaul | openmoko was to ambitious project | 19:11 |
| kristianpaul | of course the needed to make atractive for potencial buyers i gues.. | 19:11 |
| kristianpaul | is like if you're trying to make milkymist a full featured computer, something of course is not and not ready for | 19:12 |
| lekernel | if we make a full featured computer, what is the selling point? freedom? | 19:13 |
| kristianpaul | thats a very small target surelly :-) | 19:14 |
| lekernel | how many people care that the masks of their CPU are open? guess not more than one in five million? | 19:15 |
| lekernel | now that minority is interesting, and that's why we should have OSH CPUs | 19:16 |
| lekernel | but OSH is NOT a selling point | 19:16 |
| kristianpaul | sure not, but for at least those buyers will not complaing too much about missing features ;) | 19:18 |
| kristianpaul | a year ago i wrote rms about mm1 but *i* think he dont like the idea of uclinux.. also if it cant run emacs well :p | 19:18 |
| lekernel | no, they will just buy intel or ARM :-) | 19:18 |
| lekernel | and? no answer from rms? | 19:19 |
| kristianpaul | not after i told him about it just can run uclinux | 19:20 |
| lekernel | but did he answer in the first place? | 19:20 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 19:20 |
| lekernel | interesting. what did he say? | 19:20 |
| kristianpaul | let me find the mail, was time ago.. | 19:21 |
| kristianpaul | "What job does this hardware do?" | 19:22 |
| kristianpaul | "ISTR that uclinux is meant for small machines and does not give all " | 19:23 |
| kristianpaul | Is that true?"" | 19:23 |
| kristianpaul | "Are you saying this computer lacks a mmu?" | 19:23 |
| kristianpaul | and i said yes,i was the last mail.. | 19:23 |
| lekernel | huh? | 19:24 |
| kristianpaul | now i realize the mmu is very important for software developer :-) | 19:24 |
| kristianpaul | (huh?) ? | 19:24 |
| lekernel | didn't understand the second line | 19:24 |
| lekernel | "ISTR that uclinux is meant for small machines and does not give all" | 19:24 |
| kristianpaul | ah, sorry i forgot to append and the end a comma followed by Is "that true?" | 19:25 |
| lekernel | well, we can add a mmu, then people will start complaining about clock frequency, which we can't really solve without making an asic | 19:26 |
| kristianpaul | :-) | 19:26 |
| lekernel | which in turn brings it lots of problems related to price and volume, and as I said before, freedom is no selling point | 19:27 |
| kristianpaul | sure | 19:27 |
| lekernel | so you should answer that to people like rms next time :-) | 19:28 |
| kristianpaul | lol | 19:28 |
| kristianpaul | k | 19:28 |
| lekernel | btw, there's opensparc, which is free and made into an ASIC | 19:29 |
| lekernel | does it sell a lot? is it popular? no. | 19:29 |
| lekernel | the opensparc community is even smaller than ours | 19:29 |
| lekernel | so that's also a good example you can point to him | 19:29 |
| kristianpaul | (smaller) oh really? | 19:29 |
| lekernel | yeah probably | 19:30 |
| lekernel | last time I checked it was mostly students who were there to get their degree and then leave | 19:30 |
| lekernel | but opensparc has that famous MMU and is even 64 bits :p | 19:31 |
| lekernel | lol http://www.facebook.com/SynopsysUniversityProgram | 19:49 |
| lekernel | yay, got libcurl to work :-) | 21:09 |
| lekernel | my m1 just displayed the source of milkymist.org | 21:10 |
| lekernel | libcurl is a bit bloated (nearly 200k) but well... | 21:10 |
| lekernel | it gets the job done and I guess potential other developers would appreciate to have this well known lib there :-) | 21:11 |
| kristianpaul | now firefox.. | 21:12 |
| kristianpaul | xD | 21:12 |
| lekernel | xml parser now | 21:13 |
| lekernel | for RSS feeds | 21:13 |
| kristianpaul | xml :S | 21:13 |
| lekernel | yeah well | 21:13 |
| CIA-48 | flickernoise: Sebastien Bourdeauducq master * r05dfccf / (src/Makefile src/cp.c src/main.c src/rsswall.c src/rsswall.h): libcurl demo - http://bit.ly/m1jGqG | 21:14 |
| lekernel | m1 needs to be web 2.0 compliant. it's teh hype. | 21:14 |
| lekernel | what about expat? | 21:18 |
| lekernel | unrelated: http://ebookee.org/Scientific-American-s-quot-The-Amateur-Scientist-quot-The-Complete-20th-Century-Collection-Version-2-0-1928-2001-_595588.html <= good stuff in there | 21:20 |
| kristianpaul | nice, busybox have inteesting options for nommu system plus static binary support | 21:29 |
| lekernel | juliusb_: btw, have you heard of any open source FPGA video encoder that fucking works? | 21:31 |
| lekernel | preferably not H.264 as it's a good target for patent trolls | 21:31 |
| lekernel | yeah... expat looks ok. one more lib for kristianpaul to compile :-) | 21:50 |
| kristianpaul | hmm rtems dont have byteswap.h.. | 21:55 |
| kristianpaul | lekernel: (libs) you already know my pain :-) | 21:55 |
| roh | lekernel wasnt there a hdl theora encoder? | 22:05 |
| lekernel | in elphel... but it looks suspicious | 22:05 |
| lekernel | yay, got expat to work and the m1 parses the twitter feeds now | 22:06 |
| roh | ;) nevermind.. on my way to bed. just nagging *g* | 22:07 |
| kristianpaul | what is the git url for getting lm32 ulibc? | 22:09 |
| lekernel | http://git.serverraum.org/?p=mw/uclibc-lm32.git;a=summary i'd guess | 22:10 |
| kristianpaul | tks | 22:10 |
| CIA-48 | flickernoise: Sebastien Bourdeauducq master * rbea814c / (src/Makefile src/main.c src/rsswall.c): Twitter demo - http://bit.ly/lx4GWD | 22:22 |
| juliusb_ | lekernel: no proper, working open source video encoders as far as I'm aware | 22:30 |
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