#milkymist IRC log for Sunday, 2011-05-01

lekernelwolfspraul: hi08:11
lekernelgot an idea about the status of the elphel theora encoder?08:12
lekernelkristianpaul: no, it's not moving. so no update except that i'll remove all fedora references from the milkymist material so people stop asking me this question.08:24
wolfspraullekernel: I think it is only partially implemented08:24
wolfsprauland it has not been moved to newer camera models since a number of years08:25
wolfsprauland Andrey (the author) has a reputation of writing extremely hard to read and undocumented Verilog code08:25
lekernelI see ...08:25
wolfspraulthere might be a jewel there though, I don't know08:26
wolfspraula jewel covered in some mud maybe :-)08:26
wolfspraulthe sources must be online somewhere...08:26
lekernelwell I checked out some code yesterday from elphel which pretty much matches this description08:26
lekernelthe weirdest point is that there's no test bench, but there sure has been one at some point. you can't write and debug a complete theora encoder by just downloading to fpga and not doing simulations...08:27
lekernelthey just did not publish it apparently08:27
lekernelhi xiangfu08:31
xiangfulekernel: hi08:31
lekernelwhat's up?08:33
wolfspraullekernel: that may be resolvable if you just contac them, I suggest the #elphel channel on freenode08:33
xiangfulekernel: fine. I am work on nanonote last week :)08:34
lekerneldid that, no answer. same on their mailing list (actually they even moderate everything including new subscriptions, so my message didn't even go through yet)08:34
lekernelif you're subscribed to their list, maybe you can post my message so it goes a bit faster ... I don't know how reactive they are, but not a lot apparently08:35
wolfspraulwhat is your exact question?08:41
wolfspraulthe #elphel channel should definitely work, they read the backlog too08:41
wolfspraulyou can also ask olga there if andrey is somehow not seeing it, then she will08:41
lekernellet's start with getting the test benches for this code :-)08:44
wolfsprauldo you have the url of the code you looked at?08:46
lekernelhttp://elphel.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/elphel/camera333/fpga/x333/08:47
wolfspraullast edit 6 years ago :-)08:50
lekernelyeah... tbh I don't hold my breath regarding this code08:51
lekernelI'm afraid the solution will be "roll your own", as often08:51
wolfspraullekernel: as for responsiveness, they are in Utah, that's an unusual time slot for me and you probably too unless you have a lot of people in the US you chat with08:53
wolfspraulso once you know the Utah thing, they are quite responsive, or used to be08:53
wolfspraulright now I'm pretty sure they are offline though, for example08:53
wolfspraulnext chance, let me see. Utah Monday morning - still a long way out :-)08:53
wolfspraulkristianpaul: what milkymist-related things were you waiting for in Fedora 15?08:58
lekernelwell, they were supposed to add the lm32-rtems toolchain for example, but it takes ages (even though most of the packaging work was already done by the rtems project)09:00
lekernelFEL is really dead I'm afraid09:01
lekerneland yeah, I did ping them, many times, just to hear a new excuse every time. now I just give up.09:01
lekernelif they wake up one day, good. but enough on my side.09:03
wolfspraullekernel: Chitlesh told me he basically wanted to fold FEL into the regular Fedora releases09:13
wolfspraulif I understood that correctly he did not want the overhead and pressure of the FEL release cycles anymore09:13
wolfsprauljust make it a group in Fedora, and then let Fedora do the rest. so yes, you could say 'FEL is dead', but from his perspective it's more about maintaining a group instead of a spin.09:14
lekernelno matter how they set it up, things do not get done09:14
wolfspraulalso his main focus was the usability of these tools on the paid RedHat Linux, because that's what is used at ON09:14
lekerneleven recompiling the flterm package with the new source code (with the gdb support) which should take what? 5 minutes?09:15
lekernelthey didn't do09:15
wolfspraulwhat is the recommended devel platform now? what are you using?09:29
lekerneljust run xiangfu's build script on any platform :-P09:32
lekernelanyway fedora would only solve part of the problem09:34
lekernelwith the ~12 libraries (and counting) compiled for LM32 that Flickernoise needs, it's getting more and more difficult to get an "out of the box" development environment into a distro09:34
lekernelthose sure can be packaged as well, but it would require a certain effort09:36
kristianpaulwolfspraul: (fedora 15) urjtag from upstream, and rtems toolchain already included :-), may be llhdl as a demo?..10:41
kristianpaulah ok lekernel ;)10:41
lekernelhuh? they added the rtems toolchain ?!10:42
lekernelwow ...10:42
kristianpaulno no, i'm asking if?..10:42
kristianpauli'm telling wolfspraul what i want for fedora next release related to mm110:42
kristianpaulbut seems scripts are more universal those days :-)10:43
lekernelwell, tell the fedora people, not wolfspraul :-)10:43
lekernelbut tbh if you want this to move, you probably have to do all the packaging yourself then keep bothering people until it is merged10:44
lekernelwhich I won't do10:44
kristianpaulme either ;)10:45
lekernelthere are already more than enough people on my followup list, which is quite tiring for me and distracts me from coding. so I just keep the most important.10:49
lekernelscripts aren't more universal, they just require less emailing around10:52
kristianpaulgot it !!, i must go, 1 of may event coming.. :-)10:52
lekernelhaha10:53
kristianpaulheh ;)10:54
lekernelit seems there is a huge riot in Berlin every 1st may night. will be my first today ...10:54
wolfspraulyes Berlin culture11:04
wolfspraulmaybe it's similar to some riots in suburbs of French cities? from the news I thought it sounded the same...11:05
wolfspraulyou should be (slightly) careful, especially since it's your first year11:05
wolfspraulbut I think it's quite localized and ritualized :-)11:05
wolfspraulmaybe with your long hair if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time, some police may think you are one of the bad guys :-)11:06
lekernelyeah, usually it doesn't happen in my area11:07
wolfspraulunlikely though, no worries...11:07
lekernelit's more in the east (kreuzberg ...)11:07
lekernelfrom what I've seen the French riots looked softer :p11:08
mumptaiaww, just don't dress like the involved parties, and look for somthing to take cover behind ;)11:40
GraveDiggerhi folks13:44
GraveDiggeris Sebastien B. around here?13:45
lekernelyes13:46
GraveDiggerohai13:46
GraveDiggerregarding the rs232 uart, i didnt wanna start a huge discussion or such, it was just a simple question13:47
GraveDiggerlike13:47
GraveDiggerwas it supposed to be this way?13:47
lekernelno. but i'm not even sure the latest version does it. i rarely update the opencores stuff13:48
lekernelmwalle did some changes to the uart lately13:48
GraveDiggeri guess the update source is available at milkymist.org?13:48
lekernelsure, and without registration (unlike opencores)13:49
CIA-48rtems-milkymist: Sebastien Bourdeauducq master * r1ea2561 / c/src/lib/libbsp/lm32/shared/milkymist_buttons/buttons.c : Buttons driver: ignore offset - http://bit.ly/jKILAl14:11
CIA-48flickernoise: Sebastien Bourdeauducq master * r2f3a5af / (src/main.c src/sysconfig.c src/sysconfig.h): Display dialog box to explain rescue mode - http://bit.ly/jnqSiD14:16
CIA-48flickernoise: Sebastien Bourdeauducq master * r1ff1826 / src/flash.c : Rename pushbutton - http://bit.ly/ju890D14:16
CIA-48flickernoise: Sebastien Bourdeauducq master * r91dcf3a / src/input.c : Map board buttons to F9/F10/F11 - http://bit.ly/lKNnRa14:17
CIA-48flickernoise: Sebastien Bourdeauducq master * r22d1a10 / (src/input.c src/shortcuts.c): Middle pushbutton to power down - http://bit.ly/lc4gAq14:27
CIA-48milkymist: Sebastien Bourdeauducq master * r2373578 / boards/milkymist-one/standby/standby.v : Standby: debounce keys, only power up on rising edge - http://bit.ly/lYb3yV16:15
wpwrak(german police mistaking people) well, a few days ago, during a demonstration, one tried to arrest his boss and treated him to a bit of pepper spray for good measure16:40
wpwrak(boss) not his direct superior, of course. the guy pretty much on top of the local food chain.16:41
azonenberglol17:09
CIA-48flickernoise: Sebastien Bourdeauducq master * rf49776c / (src/sysconfig.c src/sysconfig.h src/sysettings.c): New system settings dialog layout - http://bit.ly/ljkuIH19:42
CIA-48flickernoise: Sebastien Bourdeauducq master * r33a127d / src/sysconfig.c : Bugfix: Use DHCP address when DHCP is enabled in default config - http://bit.ly/my9GoZ19:42
CIA-48flickernoise: Sebastien Bourdeauducq master * re722120 / src/cp.c : New control panel layout - http://bit.ly/jHRqEw20:45
Action: kristianpaul "safe" at home again22:30
lekernelany good alternative to libcurl? its main problem is it uses GNU/Autocrap and GNU/Libtrash which, as often, miserably fail22:32
lekernelthe problem du jour is that due to some obscure autocrap-libtool interaction, the gcc flags end up specified twice which doesn't work with the -specs flag used by RTEMS22:33
azonenberglekernel: I'm intimately familiar with the failings of libcurl23:27
azonenbergone of my projects is in seirous trouble due to a segfault deep in the library that nobody can diagnose23:28
azonenbergBut i havent had issues with its build system (yet)23:28
azonenbergOf course, that doesnt stop me from using cmake whenever possible :P23:28
kristianpaullibwww?...23:35
kristianpaulhumm http://www.ucdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/11/041125223:36
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