| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: how do you like the cameras so far? from a user's perspective I mean. | 00:18 |
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| wolfspraul | they are quite small and with the little metal hook should be easy to attach somewhere, true? | 00:19 |
| kristianpaul | wolfspraul: i _really_ care a lot in how i react when i move | 00:19 |
| kristianpaul | yeah, there is a space for a crew | 00:19 |
| wolfspraul | what do you mean with 'care a lot i how I rect when I move'? | 00:20 |
| wolfspraul | react | 00:20 |
| wolfspraul | you mean you like the feature as it is implemented in flickernoise now? | 00:20 |
| kristianpaul | i mean, i move camera then i watch on the screen my move | 00:20 |
| wolfspraul | and you think that's a good feature? | 00:20 |
| kristianpaul | well i dont is a flickernoise feature | 00:20 |
| kristianpaul | i was talking about camera with no flickernoise effects yet aplied | 00:21 |
| wolfspraul | ok but what is your point then? | 00:21 |
| wolfspraul | you like the fact that you can connect a camera to m1? | 00:21 |
| wolfspraul | you like to see yourself? :-) | 00:22 |
| kristianpaul | hahaah no no | 00:22 |
| kristianpaul | i mean i like see that if i move i.e. my arm i can see it just that on screen, and the movement is natural i mean not slowdown or something | 00:23 |
| kristianpaul | got my idea? | 00:23 |
| wolfspraul | so you want to say that if someone has a camera, they can enjoy m1 much better? | 00:23 |
| kristianpaul | sure | 00:24 |
| kristianpaul | oh yes ! | 00:24 |
| wolfspraul | ok | 00:24 |
| kristianpaul | play audio is good at first but you eventually be bored | 00:24 |
| kristianpaul | video in, well you have lot to play with :-) | 00:24 |
| wolfspraul | also compare the different lenses I sent you, curious how you feel about those | 00:24 |
| Fallenou | 01:13 < wolfspraul> you like to see yourself? :-) | 00:25 |
| Fallenou | who doesn't ?!! | 00:25 |
| kristianpaul | yeah sure, but with effects :-) | 00:25 |
| Fallenou | :p | 00:25 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: for example I am wondering whether you think the wide angle lense makes sense | 00:26 |
| Fallenou | kristianpaul: you like to see the video running smooth with no lag, I guess that's what you meant | 00:26 |
| kristianpaul | btw you know what i care about when replacing lenses, i mean is not that way ccd-chip exposed some how? | 00:26 |
| kristianpaul | Fallenou: no lag, right ! | 00:26 |
| wolfspraul | bah no, don't worry | 00:26 |
| wolfspraul | :-) | 00:26 |
| kristianpaul | ok | 00:26 |
| wolfspraul | the sensor is quite deep inside | 00:26 |
| wolfspraul | of course don't try to clean the sensor with a cloth or so | 00:26 |
| wolfspraul | just in a clean environment, at home, take the current lense off, put the new one on - done | 00:27 |
| kristianpaul | btw sharp one is tricky coloring images, | 00:27 |
| wolfspraul | tricky coloring images? | 00:27 |
| wolfspraul | I have trouble understanding you sometimes :-) | 00:27 |
| kristianpaul | I know :( | 00:27 |
| wolfspraul | you mean the colors are off/unnatural? | 00:27 |
| kristianpaul | he, i.e when you see some colored spots aorund the images | 00:27 |
| wolfspraul | what is the color difference to the sony ccd and cmos one? | 00:27 |
| kristianpaul | unnatural yes | 00:28 |
| wolfspraul | ok | 00:28 |
| kristianpaul | oh sure, sony looks more natural | 00:28 |
| wolfspraul | so about lenses, of course I think about costs a lot, because I want to decide whether/what to include | 00:28 |
| wolfspraul | basically the lenses are all cheap 80 cents to 2 USD | 00:28 |
| wolfspraul | but the wide angle one is more expensive, ca. 8 USD | 00:28 |
| wolfspraul | so that's a lot | 00:29 |
| wolfspraul | which means that the main thing I am interested in is whether you think the wide angle one is any good | 00:29 |
| wolfspraul | if not, we can decide whether the 6mm or 8mm or 12mm is better later, they are all cheap | 00:29 |
| kristianpaul | ha, how i identify wide one btw? | 00:29 |
| wolfspraul | the wide angle one is 2.1mm I think, 145 degree field of view | 00:30 |
| wolfspraul | it's short and has a big round glass at the top | 00:30 |
| wolfspraul | looks like a big eye looking at you | 00:30 |
| kristianpaul | shorter than the others? | 00:30 |
| wolfspraul | the others are longer/more like a narrow tunnel | 00:30 |
| kristianpaul | ok | 00:30 |
| wolfspraul | there is only 1 wide angle | 00:31 |
| wolfspraul | you can easily tell which one it is, I think | 00:31 |
| kristianpaul | second | 00:31 |
| wolfspraul | it's the short one with a big round eye looking at you :-) | 00:31 |
| Fallenou | hide ! quick ! | 00:32 |
| wolfspraul | actually I should have marked the lenses better | 00:32 |
| kristianpaul | hmm wait i need a screwdriver for the lense change | 00:32 |
| wolfspraul | we may have trouble distinguishing the 3.6mm/6mm/8mm later | 00:32 |
| wolfspraul | but at least the wide-angle one is easy to identify | 00:32 |
| Fallenou | http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Xu%C3%A9 wolfspraul you know who is doing this ? | 00:32 |
| Fallenou | well it's written on the page ok | 00:33 |
| kristianpaul | all are different in heights | 00:33 |
| wolfspraul | Andres Calderon and emqbit.com | 00:33 |
| Fallenou | but I mean do they have a website ? | 00:33 |
| wolfspraul | yes | 00:33 |
| wolfspraul | :-) | 00:33 |
| wolfspraul | they have several | 00:33 |
| wolfspraul | linuxencaja.net | 00:33 |
| wolfspraul | emqbit.com | 00:33 |
| wolfspraul | I think Xue on Qi is abandoned | 00:33 |
| Fallenou | ok thanks, i didn't know there was a project already using Milkymist | 00:33 |
| wolfspraul | actually I read about the Apache Attic yesterday, I need to introduce that concept at Qi as well, and move Xue to the attic :-) | 00:33 |
| wolfspraul | oh definitely, there is | 00:34 |
| wolfspraul | only unfortunately I think Xue will die before it makes it into production | 00:34 |
| wolfspraul | and I sourced sensors too early, I am sitting on 600 USD of nice high-end Aptina sensors in Taipei, so stupid | 00:34 |
| wolfspraul | luckily I rarely make such mistakes | 00:35 |
| Fallenou | arg | 00:35 |
| wolfspraul | got carried away with excitement, I guess. then we checked the project and found that it's very very far from manufacturable state :-) | 00:35 |
| wolfspraul | no problem | 00:35 |
| wolfspraul | maybe it will be restarted, don't know | 00:35 |
| wolfspraul | you can contact andres about it | 00:35 |
| Fallenou | let's hope so | 00:35 |
| wolfspraul | he used to reply immediately, then it took a few days, last time 2 weeks, and no answer at all anymore to my last mail :-) | 00:36 |
| kristianpaul | wolfspraul: short lense is loosy | 00:37 |
| kristianpaul | i mean i'm screing it.. | 00:37 |
| kristianpaul | and feel loose, also i can screw too much or i lost focus | 00:37 |
| kristianpaul | s/can/cant | 00:37 |
| Fallenou | :( | 00:40 |
| kristianpaul | trikky if i select some text and press del i dont behave as evryone would expect | 00:41 |
| kristianpaul | (patch editor) | 00:41 |
| Fallenou | personnaly with my french keyboard it does not behave as expected at all :p | 00:42 |
| Fallenou | and selecting "french" in settings changes nothing | 00:43 |
| kristianpaul | spanish one seems work.. hre | 00:43 |
| Fallenou | but anyway i am kind of used to type with qwerty keyboards now :) | 00:43 |
| kristianpaul | here* | 00:43 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: ok, what is your point now? | 00:43 |
| wolfspraul | about the lense, screw, and focus | 00:43 |
| kristianpaul | focus is for near things | 00:43 |
| wolfspraul | the way these m12 lenses work is that you focus them by inserting (screwing) down to a certain (focused) point | 00:43 |
| kristianpaul | ie if you want do effects with your face only | 00:43 |
| wolfspraul | then you fasten the lense at that position with the screw | 00:43 |
| kristianpaul | ah i see | 00:43 |
| wolfspraul | the screw does not need to be tightened a lot | 00:43 |
| kristianpaul | ok | 00:43 |
| kristianpaul | screw, yeah was my fault i missed a bit tight | 00:44 |
| wolfspraul | in fact that will damage the threads | 00:44 |
| kristianpaul | oh, okay no too much tigh | 00:45 |
| kristianpaul | t | 00:45 |
| wolfspraul | yes, the only purpose is to hold the lense, which is already pretty stable because of the long thread | 00:45 |
| wolfspraul | you may even leave the screw out for home use, if you feel the lense is already tight/stable enough | 00:45 |
| Fallenou | gn8 guys | 00:46 |
| wolfspraul | focus by manually inserting the lense until it's focused | 00:46 |
| wolfspraul | for the long lenses, actually ;-) don't screw them all the way down, you may hit the pcb/lense and probably permanently damage/destroy the camera | 00:46 |
| wolfspraul | but it's quite deep down there, i cannot imagine you would screw the lense that deep. just I think this cheap camera has no mechanical protection against that. | 00:47 |
| wolfspraul | you could carve out a round circle on the pcb :-) | 00:47 |
| wolfspraul | wow | 00:47 |
| wolfspraul | andres has just come online! | 00:47 |
| wolfspraul | unbelievable | 00:47 |
| wolfspraul | must be some 6th sense | 00:48 |
| kristianpaul | i think | 00:48 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: what lense do you have inserted now? is it focused? | 00:48 |
| kristianpaul | i have to said that my canon camera behave _much_ better usable ilumination that the sony one | 00:48 |
| wolfspraul | is the lense switching business clear now? | 00:48 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 00:48 |
| kristianpaul | right now, it have the short one, and yes i focused something in the living roon | 00:49 |
| wolfspraul | you mean even the sony ccd camera is bad/unusable? | 00:49 |
| wolfspraul | what canon camera are you comparing with? | 00:49 |
| kristianpaul | a470 | 00:49 |
| kristianpaul | here i have fluorecent light btw | 00:50 |
| wolfspraul | also I'm wondering whether it's really 'usable illumation' or maybe something like brightness | 00:50 |
| kristianpaul | i dunno what kind of light is used in parties | 00:50 |
| wolfspraul | the sensor in the 1/3'' sony ccd camera is excellent | 00:50 |
| kristianpaul | bright, let me tune it by software and i'll tell | 00:50 |
| wolfspraul | maybe the quality is lost elsewhere, or it's not lost at all, just that the canon camera does some software tricks to make things look better | 00:51 |
| kristianpaul | oh yes ! | 00:51 |
| wolfspraul | consumer cameras nowadays have a lot of software to make things look better | 00:51 |
| kristianpaul | brightness in sofware make all clear now | 00:51 |
| wolfspraul | which is actually a big problem for professional photographers, but that's another story | 00:51 |
| wolfspraul | :-) | 00:51 |
| kristianpaul | i was aboutt to ask that ;-) | 00:51 |
| kristianpaul | (remenber the life as you see it slogan from ..) | 00:52 |
| wolfspraul | I'm not complaining, they are focusing on what their customers want. | 00:52 |
| wolfspraul | so the sony ccd one is as good as the canon one now, with brightness adjustment? | 00:52 |
| kristianpaul | yup :-) | 00:53 |
| wolfspraul | a 1/3'' sony ccd censor definitely cannot be the bottleneck in our m1 system | 00:53 |
| wolfspraul | that's a very high end sensor | 00:53 |
| kristianpaul | oh yes | 00:54 |
| kristianpaul | now i can focus nicelly some objects :-) | 00:54 |
| kristianpaul | okay i'll move to the next bigger in heighe lense | 00:58 |
| wolfspraul | you just used the wide-angle lense? | 01:05 |
| wolfspraul | you should have 4 different ones I think | 01:05 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 01:06 |
| wolfspraul | first the one that came with the camera, I think it's 3.6mm on the ccd cameras | 01:06 |
| wolfspraul | then one shorter (wide angle) one, separate | 01:06 |
| wolfspraul | and two longer ones, separate | 01:06 |
| wolfspraul | I forgot the details actually. | 01:06 |
| wolfspraul | maybe the longer ones are 6 and 8, or 12 mm | 01:06 |
| wolfspraul | something like that | 01:06 |
| wolfspraul | they zoom into the distance | 01:06 |
| wolfspraul | for our application, either the one that came with the camera makes sense, or a more wide angle one even | 01:07 |
| wolfspraul | I would think... | 01:07 |
| kristianpaul | ha, higher one is fun | 01:14 |
| kristianpaul | btw i dint saw andres nick on qi | 01:14 |
| kristianpaul | just juan64bits | 01:15 |
| wolfspraul | both are there | 01:15 |
| wolfspraul | juan is another one from this group | 01:15 |
| kristianpaul | ok | 01:15 |
| kristianpaul | i see | 01:15 |
| wolfspraul | if you tried the wide angle lense already, did you notice a difference? | 01:16 |
| kristianpaul | wide angle is the short one? | 01:16 |
| kristianpaul | lets name it by highs or i'll get confused.. | 01:16 |
| wolfspraul | yes, probably 'short one' | 01:17 |
| wolfspraul | you can see that the opening is bigger too, like a big eye | 01:17 |
| wolfspraul | I forgot which ones exactly I sent you. | 01:18 |
| kristianpaul | yes big eye short one ;) | 01:18 |
| wolfspraul | yes | 01:18 |
| wolfspraul | sounds right | 01:18 |
| wolfspraul | did you notice any difference when using it? | 01:18 |
| kristianpaul | i noticed i can focus, ok, but the view is not wide, what is puposed to be wide here | 01:18 |
| kristianpaul | i think big eye is the higher onw | 01:19 |
| wolfspraul | the field of view should be wider | 01:19 |
| kristianpaul | hmm thats not the short one, is the tallest ;-) | 01:19 |
| kristianpaul | the eye is looks like a dome? | 01:20 |
| wolfspraul | yes | 01:20 |
| wolfspraul | maybe you take a picture and upload it real quick? | 01:20 |
| kristianpaul | yeah | 01:20 |
| kristianpaul | better | 01:20 |
| wolfspraul | I should have labeled them better, my bad | 01:21 |
| kristianpaul | bbl (dinner) | 01:24 |
| kristianpaul | wolfspraul: where is the multiple upload link? | 01:30 |
| kristianpaul | ah spacial pages. | 01:30 |
| wolfspraul | yes. it's a little buggy too, just ignore the warnings after upload | 01:35 |
| wolfspraul | the multi-upload itself should work | 01:35 |
| kristianpaul | done | 01:37 |
| kristianpaul | i like this one http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:IMG_3536.JPG | 01:38 |
| kristianpaul | i think is wide one | 01:38 |
| kristianpaul | better pic http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:IMG_3534.JPG | 01:38 |
| wolfspraul | heh | 01:38 |
| wolfspraul | yes I think 3536 is the shortest and most wide-angle one | 01:39 |
| wolfspraul | 3534 == 3536 | 01:39 |
| wolfspraul | true? | 01:39 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 01:39 |
| kristianpaul | but is not the shortest | 01:39 |
| kristianpaul | by contrast the tallest :-) | 01:39 |
| kristianpaul | and the shortest is not so wide, but i can focus/zoom | 01:41 |
| kristianpaul | wolfspraul: can you see/notice the 1 2 3 writings in back to the lense? | 01:43 |
| wolfspraul | bbiab | 01:49 |
| kristianpaul | how much is bit ;-) | 01:50 |
| kristianpaul | I *think* the default one the shorted and taller are good enoguht | 01:54 |
| kristianpaul | i dont see too much diference between 1 and 2 | 01:54 |
| kristianpaul | (1 and 2) acording to my local labels some-how referenced in the pic | 01:56 |
| wolfspraul | ok you completely lost me now | 02:17 |
| wolfspraul | "default one the shorted and taller" | 02:17 |
| wolfspraul | wait a sec, I'm looking at the same 3 now | 02:17 |
| kristianpaul | ( ok you completely lost me now) :( | 02:18 |
| wolfspraul | ok you are right | 02:18 |
| wolfspraul | the wide-angle onw is actually the tallest | 02:18 |
| kristianpaul | yes !! | 02:18 |
| wolfspraul | even though it has the shortest focal length :-) | 02:18 |
| kristianpaul | :-) | 02:18 |
| wolfspraul | so you tried that one? | 02:18 |
| kristianpaul | ya | 02:18 |
| wolfspraul | did you notice any difference from the default one that was on the camera? | 02:18 |
| kristianpaul | oh, sure !! | 02:18 |
| wolfspraul | you should see a wider view of field, on the left/right/top/bottom | 02:18 |
| kristianpaul | is wide, i can get my apartment view better | 02:18 |
| wolfspraul | aha :-) | 02:19 |
| kristianpaul | yes, wider field | 02:19 |
| wolfspraul | so you like that, for our use case, or you think it's insignificant | 02:19 |
| kristianpaul | i like for our case | 02:19 |
| kristianpaul | i think are there two lense very similars | 02:19 |
| wolfspraul | so it seems for now we can say the wider the better, for us | 02:20 |
| wolfspraul | unfortunately the wide-angle lense is expensive, oh well | 02:21 |
| wolfspraul | ca. 8 usd | 02:21 |
| kristianpaul | i think is good in order to take a the view of the field | 02:21 |
| wolfspraul | higher quality ones will be even more, 16-20 usd | 02:21 |
| wolfspraul | maybe we can't do it | 02:21 |
| kristianpaul | not of course for just a single person doing some performance | 02:21 |
| wolfspraul | the default one on the camera costs just 80 cents :- | 02:22 |
| wolfspraul | :-) | 02:22 |
| kristianpaul | what about the shorter? | 02:22 |
| wolfspraul | 2 USD | 02:22 |
| wolfspraul | are those 2 shorter ones better than the one that was on the camera? | 02:22 |
| kristianpaul | better in terms of? | 02:22 |
| wolfspraul | in terms of your eyes looking at the result | 02:23 |
| kristianpaul | they are not so wide as defaullt | 02:23 |
| wolfspraul | yes | 02:23 |
| kristianpaul | results, okay i liked the shorter | 02:23 |
| wolfspraul | the default one has a 3.6mm focal length, I think | 02:23 |
| kristianpaul | have nice zoom | 02:23 |
| wolfspraul | ahh | 02:23 |
| wolfspraul | but before we said 'wider is better', no? | 02:23 |
| wolfspraul | what do you like? wide angle or zoom? | 02:24 |
| kristianpaul | better for view my whole apartment ;-) | 02:24 |
| kristianpaul | good questions | 02:24 |
| kristianpaul | i will like one like the default with a bit better zoom | 02:24 |
| kristianpaul | wide angle is good and fun, but i cant consider using it all time | 02:25 |
| kristianpaul | wide angle or zoom . just in the middle :p | 02:25 |
| kristianpaul | is hard to say, i depends | 02:25 |
| kristianpaul | it* | 02:27 |
| wolfspraul | ok so maybe just the default lense is good? | 02:27 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 02:28 |
| kristianpaul | is more neutral, thats very clear | 02:29 |
| kristianpaul | neutral in terms of wide/zoom | 02:29 |
| wolfspraul | yes | 02:29 |
| wolfspraul | I sent you a range of lenses | 02:29 |
| wolfspraul | the one on the camera is a baseline (I think 3.6mm focal length). Then one wider one (2.1mm), and two longer/narrower ones (6 and 8mm, I believe) | 02:30 |
| wolfspraul | so in total I think you have 2.1, 3.6, 6, 8 | 02:30 |
| wolfspraul | something like tha | 02:30 |
| wolfspraul | that | 02:30 |
| wolfspraul | well, it seems we can skip over the whole lense business for now, and just stay with the 3.6mm default one | 02:30 |
| kristianpaul | i dont see clear diference between 2.1 and 3.6 yet | 02:30 |
| kristianpaul | okay | 02:31 |
| kristianpaul | i agree | 02:31 |
| wolfspraul | 2.1 should give you a wider field of view | 02:31 |
| wolfspraul | ok, if you have more feedback, let me know | 02:32 |
| wolfspraul | otherwise I will just stay with the default one now | 02:32 |
| wolfspraul | if we go with this camera (1/3'' sony), we actually have a good basis to improve this later | 02:32 |
| wolfspraul | because 1/3'' is the most common sensor size for M12 lenses | 02:32 |
| kristianpaul | for now i'll have to say that too. ther other lenses for me a re too "extreme" in features for being the default | 02:33 |
| wolfspraul | and we have an M12 lense holder, which is (currently) the most common holder in the smaller lense formats | 02:33 |
| wolfspraul | so there is a huge variety of m12 lenses | 02:33 |
| wolfspraul | not so much with M9, M5, etc. | 02:33 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: alright great. THANKS A LOT for your feedback! | 02:36 |
| wolfspraul | so our current candidate for inclusion is the 1/3'' sony ccd camera with 3.6mm focal length m12 lense | 02:36 |
| wolfspraul | correct? | 02:36 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 02:37 |
| wolfspraul | so I will probably buy a handful more of the, like 5 or so, and send to various people and for various reasons | 02:38 |
| wolfspraul | will take one apart, take pictures, find datasheets, etc. just in case | 02:38 |
| kristianpaul | the extra 3 lense are just for 1/3 right? | 02:39 |
| wolfspraul | actually I don't know | 02:39 |
| wolfspraul | it works like this: | 02:39 |
| wolfspraul | a lense is optimized for a certain sensor size | 02:39 |
| kristianpaul | there is few space to screw, i can get same level of zoom as with sony | 02:40 |
| wolfspraul | because you want the light to cover the entire sensor | 02:40 |
| wolfspraul | you can always use a lense that is optimized for a 1/3'' sensor on a smaller sensor | 02:40 |
| wolfspraul | only that the resolution of the lense (lines/mm) will then not be maxed out | 02:40 |
| wolfspraul | if you use a larger sensor, the corners of the picture will be black however | 02:40 |
| wolfspraul | makes sense? | 02:40 |
| kristianpaul | hmm , i said this because sharp default lense is not same as sony | 02:40 |
| wolfspraul | most M12 lenses (75%) are optimized for 1/3'' sensors | 02:41 |
| wolfspraul | yes sure, possible | 02:41 |
| wolfspraul | you can use an M12 lense optimized for 1/3'' on a 1/4'' sensor, no problem | 02:41 |
| wolfspraul | you just loose some lense performance | 02:41 |
| kristianpaul | so is not fair comparisn for wide/zoom. of course quailty is clear that sony beats. but i not sure if we need so much quality for flickernoise | 02:41 |
| wolfspraul | if you would use it with a 1/2'' sensor though, there would be black spots in the corners | 02:42 |
| wolfspraul | for example there are 1/3.2'' sensors | 02:42 |
| kristianpaul | perfomance and zoom, okay i'll all lense on sharp | 02:42 |
| wolfspraul | a bit smaller than 1/3'' | 02:42 |
| wolfspraul | they are often used with lenses optimized for 1/3'' because you loose very little performance | 02:42 |
| wolfspraul | actually you can design custom lenses :-) | 02:44 |
| kristianpaul | oh | 02:45 |
| kristianpaul | custom = expensive | 02:45 |
| wolfspraul | but let's not tell anyone here otherwise we free lense design software next... :-) | 02:45 |
| wolfspraul | no no | 02:45 |
| kristianpaul | no? | 02:45 |
| wolfspraul | not necessarily | 02:45 |
| kristianpaul | oh | 02:45 |
| wolfspraul | it's just a bit of glass | 02:45 |
| wolfspraul | (or plastic) | 02:45 |
| kristianpaul | oh really | 02:45 |
| kristianpaul | hmm i wonder if telescopes custom lense are cheap too ;) | 02:46 |
| kristianpaul | plastic, they have the machine? | 02:46 |
| kristianpaul | something with polish? or.. | 02:46 |
| wolfspraul | you can google for 'ZEMAX EE' as a starting point | 02:46 |
| kristianpaul | ok | 02:46 |
| wolfspraul | that's a commonly used lense design software | 02:46 |
| kristianpaul | and the machine? | 02:47 |
| wolfspraul | lenses are built out of prisms, glasses, filters, etc. many mechanical worksteps. | 02:47 |
| kristianpaul | i see | 02:47 |
| wolfspraul | first you need a design | 02:47 |
| kristianpaul | of course | 02:47 |
| wolfspraul | the little I've seen about lense manufacturing suggests that the worksteps are very unique | 02:48 |
| wolfspraul | you don't cnc a lense out of some block | 02:48 |
| kristianpaul | ;) | 02:48 |
| kristianpaul | i was thiking i polish | 02:49 |
| wolfspraul | but anyway. I don't suggest we work on a copyleft lense design, let alone a copyleft version of something like zemax ee. | 02:49 |
| kristianpaul | s/in/in | 02:49 |
| wolfspraul | we just buy a lense, done. | 02:49 |
| kristianpaul | :-) | 02:49 |
| wolfspraul | yes, lots of polishing | 02:49 |
| kristianpaul | i'll like see those machines, just intelectual interest, drop a pic if you can | 02:49 |
| wolfspraul | also ionization or whatever it was exactly to get some filters onto them | 02:49 |
| kristianpaul | or already know the brand | 02:49 |
| kristianpaul | ionization, oh wow | 02:49 |
| wolfspraul | I walked through a lense factory once, they didn't want me to take pictures though (I'm not a customer, so I can understand). | 02:50 |
| wolfspraul | it's definitely very different from any other workshops I've seen, a unique field of its own. | 02:50 |
| wolfspraul | but in the end it's just a simple bit of optics/mechanics. no magic inside :-) | 02:51 |
| kristianpaul | software magic ;) | 02:51 |
| kristianpaul | nah, this lense dont work on sharp.. | 02:52 |
| kristianpaul | lenses* | 02:52 |
| kristianpaul | i tried both tall and shor one | 02:52 |
| kristianpaul | nu luck, all out of zoom, really *out* | 02:52 |
| wolfspraul | interesting | 02:53 |
| wolfspraul | all 3 extra lenses I sent don't work on the 1/4'' sharp ccd camera? | 02:53 |
| kristianpaul | well if you see sharp and sony, the sharp lense i really *tiny* | 02:53 |
| kristianpaul | not | 02:53 |
| kristianpaul | well i tried just two, i dont see wht the third will | 02:53 |
| kristianpaul | remenber the not trusty mnual? | 02:54 |
| kristianpaul | i show a interesting drwaing about sizes of the lense mount | 02:54 |
| wolfspraul | ok, possible | 02:54 |
| kristianpaul | i mean the lense it self for the sharp is really tiny compared to sony | 02:54 |
| wolfspraul | sorry I just threw together a first 'pack' of things | 02:54 |
| kristianpaul | so from that point i dont think are compatible | 02:55 |
| kristianpaul | even if it fit | 02:55 |
| kristianpaul | wich actually does well | 02:55 |
| wolfspraul | maybe you cannot use a lense designed for a 1/3'' sensor on a 1/4'' sensor, maybe the difference is too much | 02:57 |
| wolfspraul | I don't even know what sensor size the 3 extra lenses were designed for :-) | 02:57 |
| kristianpaul | there are machanical differences i think | 02:57 |
| kristianpaul | haha | 02:57 |
| kristianpaul | :-) | 02:57 |
| kristianpaul | btw http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:IMG_3534.JPG | 02:58 |
| kristianpaul | i changed the default wayt the mechinal support is arranged | 02:58 |
| kristianpaul | FYI | 02:58 |
| kristianpaul | is easiert his way to put the camera in better place | 02:58 |
| kristianpaul | hmm seems some minors edit are need in videoin.c so vide-in window can be bigger and also vide-in preview | 03:00 |
| kristianpaul | Any one can explain me the difference between having a cached/uncached bridge? | 03:02 |
| kristianpaul | i know what cache means but i dont see how sofyware/processor? can take advantage of it.. | 03:02 |
| kristianpaul | Btw flicerknoise said, detected signal: PAL-B/G/H/I/D | 03:04 |
| kristianpaul | lets imagine then we can have a VGA like camera on the mm1 :-) | 03:05 |
| wolfspraul | imagine what? | 03:05 |
| kristianpaul | he, a very *personal* expresion | 03:05 |
| wolfspraul | flickernoise detecting PAL sounds right | 03:06 |
| kristianpaul | Imagine using the M1 video-in and current video camera, as a simple VGA-like camera :-) | 03:06 |
| kristianpaul | (considering we can carry mm1 easilly one day) | 03:06 |
| kristianpaul | thats it :-). just imagining | 03:07 |
| wolfspraul | sure, I would suggest Andres to reboot his camera like this | 03:10 |
| wolfspraul | at least it will work quickly | 03:10 |
| kristianpaul | i was checking source code, looks easy, well i think i can understand some parts, looks logic for me :-) | 03:11 |
| Action: kristianpaul discover what ioctl whar is for | 03:11 | |
| kristianpaul | wolfspraul: afaik andres once told me rtems was not of his like | 03:12 |
| kristianpaul | as linux provided more out-of-the-box drivers | 03:12 |
| kristianpaul | anyway i like it :-) | 03:12 |
| kristianpaul | (rtems) | 03:12 |
| wolfspraul | Andres hasn't been the best in translating from theory/plan to reality, so far. | 03:14 |
| kristianpaul | btw | 03:14 |
| wolfspraul | if he likes Linux better and thinks it's easier because there are more 'out-of-the-box' drivers, then great | 03:14 |
| kristianpaul | lekernel: did google vp8 mail about hdl code answered? | 03:14 |
| kristianpaul | 'out-of-the-box' drivers, well who dont ;-) | 03:15 |
| kristianpaul | gn8 | 03:35 |
| wolfspraul | n8 | 03:39 |
| lekernel | kristianpaul: when you see things like the del key not deleting selected text in the editor, could you simply fix them? :-) | 09:14 |
| lekernel | same with keymaps, I don't have keyboards to test (but you have!) so they are simply not implemented | 09:14 |
| lekernel | and no, I didn't get any answer regarding vp8 ... | 09:20 |
| lekernel | thanks for bringing that up, I completely forgot about it :) | 09:23 |
| lekernel | did others get any answer? | 09:23 |
| kristianpaul | dunno if others get answer | 13:18 |
| kristianpaul | (could you simply fix them?) he, well let me finish first my own TODOs and i'm please to help :-) | 13:19 |
| nats` | plop | 13:59 |
| kristianpaul | hola | 14:04 |
| kristianpaul | Fallenou: ping | 15:28 |
| kristianpaul | Fallenou: how easy is add support for a seconf UART in rtems | 15:29 |
| CIA-43 | antares: Sebastien Bourdeauducq master * r79bf0a9 / (antares-pack/transform.c libanetlist/net.c): pack: handle carry chain inputs - http://bit.ly/fAL7pe | 15:29 |
| CIA-43 | antares: Sebastien Bourdeauducq master * r3a8a2b6 / antares-pack/transform.c : pack: better recognition of matched XORCYs - http://bit.ly/fcXWE7 | 15:29 |
| kristianpaul | I want to test some modifications i did to wishbone with something simpler, so i tought uart? :-) | 15:29 |
| CIA-43 | antares: Sebastien Bourdeauducq master * rfa3273e / antares-pack/transform.c : pack: connect CARRY4 outputs - http://bit.ly/fNldn7 | 15:29 |
| CIA-43 | antares: Sebastien Bourdeauducq master * r4dc3d99 / antares-pack/transform.c : pack: BUFGP, FDE, and use I/O port names - http://bit.ly/hTjwbq | 15:29 |
| kristianpaul | lekernel: hi | 15:46 |
| lekernel | hi | 15:47 |
| kristianpaul | can i use the mic input as a variable for patch? | 15:47 |
| kristianpaul | also can i load custom pictures to the patches? and make it appear as a banner? | 15:48 |
| lekernel | yes | 15:50 |
| lekernel | and custom pictures yes if you add some code | 15:50 |
| kristianpaul | should i add code for get anwers for all this questions? ;-) | 15:50 |
| kristianpaul | in any case i just was playing a bit with flicernoise and i wanted to do what i asked.. no more :-) | 15:54 |
| lekernel | ? | 15:54 |
| lekernel | what questions? | 15:54 |
| kristianpaul | how i use the mic input as a variable for patch? | 15:56 |
| kristianpaul | no more questions ;) | 15:56 |
| kristianpaul | i want the video in "breaks" in little parts when in do a clamp | 15:59 |
| lekernel | like in milkdrop | 16:08 |
| lekernel | there's also doc/handbook.tex/pdf you may want to read | 16:08 |
| kristianpaul | 3.6.2 Reacting to sound <-- EMPTY | 16:10 |
| kristianpaul | thats why i'm here asking you | 16:10 |
| kristianpaul | but seems i cant get the answer here, and now i must go to milkydrop website.. | 16:11 |
| kristianpaul | thansk anyway | 16:11 |
| lekernel | well, it's in the milkdrop guides | 16:21 |
| lekernel | you have wave modes reacting to sound | 16:23 |
| lekernel | and bass/mid/treb/... variables | 16:23 |
| lekernel | kristianpaul: for your video in thing | 16:26 |
| lekernel | you can try something like | 16:26 |
| lekernel | per_frame=video_a=bass | 16:26 |
| kristianpaul | acording to variable monitor treb react is the most changinf when i clamp | 16:32 |
| lekernel | yeah, or treb :) | 16:32 |
| lekernel | you can also process the treb value with some other equations (even including bass or other variables) to get a better effect | 16:33 |
| kristianpaul | he, it works | 16:34 |
| kristianpaul | yeah i need more equations | 16:34 |
| Fallenou | kristianpaul: should be easy | 17:56 |
| Fallenou | bbl | 17:56 |
| kristianpaul | dammit i damaged my repo.. | 18:19 |
| kristianpaul | arghh! | 18:19 |
| Fallenou | just your local repo i hope | 18:26 |
| kristianpaul | nope local is okay | 18:29 |
| kristianpaul | i already commited two changes and after git push github i still getting "Everything up-to-date" | 18:29 |
| kristianpaul | how it can be?? | 18:29 |
| kristianpaul | i bet is github fault | 18:30 |
| kristianpaul | arggg | 18:31 |
| kristianpaul | i'll move to gitoriouss then ;) | 18:31 |
| kristianpaul | Fallenou: okay i'm about to add second in hardware | 18:32 |
| kristianpaul | what should i care to make it usable for rtems? | 18:32 |
| kristianpaul | bbl (lunch) | 18:32 |
| Fallenou | bbl going back home | 18:33 |
| CIA-43 | antares: Sebastien Bourdeauducq master * r6cfe793 / (5 files): place: rtree structure - http://bit.ly/h7vaRJ | 20:49 |
| Action: Fallenou is back | 20:58 | |
| Fallenou | kristianpaul: so what have you done so far ? i'm lost in your changes sorry | 20:59 |
| Fallenou | you added a master to the FML bus ? | 20:59 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 22:24 |
| kristianpaul | no ! | 22:24 |
| kristianpaul | je | 22:24 |
| kristianpaul | wishbone bus have two parts | 22:24 |
| kristianpaul | a DMA-like one and other for mico32 and slaves | 22:25 |
| kristianpaul | i added one more "slot" for the dma one | 22:25 |
| kristianpaul | also i modified CSR for 5 bit addressing, and i'm about to add another UART in this bus | 22:25 |
| Fallenou | ok nice :) | 22:35 |
| kristianpaul | hmm damit i did some mistakes with the 6x1 arbiter.. | 22:54 |
| kristianpaul | thanks sebastien wich point it ! | 22:55 |
| kristianpaul | and was pure lazyness it is obviosuly out of the logic.. | 22:59 |
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