#qi-hardware IRC log for Wednesday, 2017-02-22

--- Wed Feb 22 201700:00
luke-jrxiangfu: hi, I was curious: do people in China typically like communism, or see it as a bad thing?07:20
kyakluke-jr: i wouldn't take it away from xiangfu, but think about it. There are 1.3+ bln. people in China, and even if xiangfu knows opinions of 100.000 people, that's smaller than one percent of one percent.10:14
kyakMoreover, there is a "survivor trap". One person probably mostly communicats and knows opinions of people that are of his kind10:14
kyakhence the "wtf, i didn't vote Mr. X, and nobody else i know did. How the hell did he win? This is all a lie!"10:15
DocScrutinizer05also which answers do you expect to get past the great chinese firewall? ;-P11:23
whitequark"communicats", is that about Party cats11:25
DocScrutinizer05I wouldn't ask questions like "what do you think of (Putin|Erdogan|communism)" to anybody I was able to figure who they actually are11:25
DocScrutinizer05unless they are not fist hand involved or emigrated ultimately11:26
DocScrutinizer05first* hand11:26
DocScrutinizer05In Turkey it takes less to lose your job and possibly do an undetermined time in jail11:28
DocScrutinizer05in Russia you might get in a list of persons eventually to get assassinated. And no idea about china11:29
DocScrutinizer05as far as I could tell, in China you don't notice much of communism as long as you don't utter notions about communism11:31
whitequarkyour opinion of russia is completely divorced from reality11:32
DocScrutinizer05don't know11:32
whitequarkjournalists, yes. moles, yes. people with significant resources grabbing political power, yes11:33
DocScrutinizer05prolly it takes more than a mere IRC chat in Russia to "appear on the radar"11:33
whitequarkotherwise you can do all the futile criticism you want11:33
DocScrutinizer05yes, as long as nobody takes notice :-)11:33
whitequarkeven Navalny is still comparatively unhindered, except for censorship and all the fake judges11:33
DocScrutinizer05just in line with "if elections could change things, they were illegal"11:33
whitequarkbut he's alive and fairly vocal11:33
DocScrutinizer05I had put it slightly exaggerated to make a point11:34
whitequarkthis really just follows from the state being based on kleptocracy and not an ideology11:34
whitequarkyou don't win anything by murdering opponents that are already neutered11:35
DocScrutinizer05though in Turkey pedestrians walking by a demo of fired teachers ("support of terrorism" since they signed a protest note) don't dare to stop and talk to any of the 100some demonstrators, they are scared they might get on a watch list as well11:37
whitequarkTurkey is quite different11:37
whitequarkthey don't do IMSI catchers in RU too (yet, I think)11:37
DocScrutinizer05not needed11:37
whitequarkwell, not widely and not publicly, at least. I take precaustions nevertheless11:37
DocScrutinizer05Putin is 'smart', Erdogan is a jackass11:38
whitequarkI don't think anyone considers Putin dumb or incompetent11:39
DocScrutinizer05for sure not11:39
DocScrutinizer05and don't get me started about that US idiot11:40
DocScrutinizer05"alternative facts" was briliant though11:41
whitequarkyes, I would like to avoid getting you started about that :P11:41
DocScrutinizer05Orwell quality11:41
DocScrutinizer05though Putin achieved exactly the same, don't know how: a female Putin 'lover' interviewed uttered sth like "I don't care if $(fact X is true or not), I just believe Putin"11:44
whitequarkwhat on earth are you talking about11:45
DocScrutinizer05I'm talking about post-facts age11:45
DocScrutinizer05no matter what Leader X tells, you just have to *believe* in it and all will be fine. If it's true or not is explicitly not a thing to worry about11:46
whitequarkwell that's not exactly new is it11:47
whitequarkjust propaganda11:47
DocScrutinizer05alas spreads like black plague recently11:48
whitequarkoh you'll love that South Korea story11:48
whitequarkthe Park Geun-hye case is *nuts*11:48
whitequarklike Trump has nothing on it11:49
Action: DocScrutinizer05 googles11:49
whitequarklet me find you a good summary11:49
whitequarkthe english media gives you some stupid condensed shit that's nowhere near showing the depths of depravity11:50
whitequarkI had a good article from a korean...11:50
Action: DocScrutinizer05 needs lunch11:51
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: ah yes, this one: https://askakorean.blogspot.hk/2016/10/the-irrational-downfall-of-park-geun-hye.html11:52
wpwrak(communicats) it's about cats who believe in the ethical superiority of forcibly sharing the food of others ;-)13:46
larscwasn't there a Disney movie about this?13:57
kyakcommunicats: http://img02.deviantart.net/ce01/i/2005/083/d/9/__communism___by_cat_cat.jpg14:32
kyakall cats are communists, anyways.. They get what they need, and do what they are able to do :)14:35
wpwrakthey're populists: everybody loves them, and they get away with whatever14:36
DocScrutinizer05ooh, I punished mine with a water gun when she for example jumped onto the table. Worked really well, she didn't do it twice18:49
DocScrutinizer05so much for "get away with whatever"18:49
DocScrutinizer05and once when she went mad, I locked her in the 3m^2 toilet for an hour or two, which calmed her down quite noticeably18:51
DocScrutinizer05weird enough she loved me most of all 4 family humans, maybe _because_ of that clear treatment18:52
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