#qi-hardware IRC log for Monday, 2015-03-23

DocScrutinizer05yes, you quite likely had a chance to outbid them on particular items. alas the auctioneer requests for a deposit of 25% before starting bidding, and accepts only wire transfer01:08
DocScrutinizer05and they expect you had traveled to Oulu personally a few days ago already, to inspect the goods. They don't offer any sort of proper description of what you're actually bidding for01:09
DocScrutinizer05a few lousy snapshots mainly of serial number of device, plus a 20 words short specification / identification of the item01:11
DocScrutinizer05is all you got to decide how much it's worth01:11
whitequarkthis doesn't sound too problematic01:12
DocScrutinizer05so even when you could transfer the 25% deposit during next 36h, it's is still quite a gambling, and odds are you pay the money wire transfer fees in vain01:12
whitequarkI mean travelling there solves the problem of broken devices, no?01:12
DocScrutinizer05huh? no, when you purchased an item, you paid it. No way to step down no matter if device is broken, incomplete, or completely different to what they described in their webpage01:14
whitequarkwell sure, so you inspect it before purchasing01:14
DocScrutinizer05not this time01:14
DocScrutinizer05the inspecion days were during last week, the auction ends in two days01:15
whitequarkyeah, not right now, sure01:15
DocScrutinizer05well, next auction is in...01:16
DocScrutinizer05(SHANGHAI?01:17
DocScrutinizer05Bidding Opens: March 30. 2015 9am01:18
DocScrutinizer05Location:Shanghai, China01:18
DocScrutinizer05>>A $2000.00 deposit is required to participate in this event<<01:18
DocScrutinizer05Inspections: March 25th and 26th01:19
DocScrutinizer05registration is only for companies, private persons are not even planned for01:26
DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/23/plasma-desktopan1895.png01:27
whitequarkthat's why you have some kind of SARL registered on you :p01:27
whitequarkor GmbH or whatever01:28
DocScrutinizer05sure01:28
DocScrutinizer05which doesn't help either, to make a money transfer from Germany to ... ??? USA? Finland? in 24h01:29
whitequarkactually I had transfers go through to RU (!) in 24-48h01:29
DocScrutinizer05and I'll prolly not fly to Shanghai to inspect what next auction offers01:29
whitequarkit can't possibly be worse between 'first-world countries'01:29
DocScrutinizer0548h sure01:30
DocScrutinizer05even 24h might be possibly, just this particular auction starts in ~6h01:30
DocScrutinizer05and such money transfer costs an arm and a leg, most probably for nuttin01:31
DocScrutinizer05and in the end I want my money back, or maybe not since I had to add another few bucks on top to pay for the transfer fees, prolly it's cheaper to simply forget the money01:32
DocScrutinizer05we could consider participating if we had a - say - 10k bucks so all those little expenses and unconveniences wouldn't matter that much01:33
DocScrutinizer05ot 100k01:33
DocScrutinizer05or*01:33
DocScrutinizer05let's make it real: let's assume there's a nice scope that costs a 15k new. They have an initial bid of 500 for it, used. Realistically on eBay you could get such scope for maybe 7k. How high may you bid to still make a bargain? considering you fly to there to pick up that scope, pay 22% VAT plus 16% Premium Buyer whatever that is, on top of your bid. Then you pay import tax depending on where to you want to take the scope. Would 01:56
DocScrutinizer05you actually be interested in the whole deal still?01:56
DocScrutinizer05NB there will be dudes that bid against you who have literally bundles of EUR in their pockets, and they have their business math pretty clearly sorted and know how high they may go to make a margin. And they calculate with sending their own truck to pick up a 200 or 500 items, not fly to there to pick up one02:00
DocScrutinizer05could you beat them? would you want to?02:01
whitequarkdoesn't make sense for one scope, no02:08
whitequarkif you wanna pick up a bunch of hardware though, sure02:08
DocScrutinizer05exactly02:11
DocScrutinizer05it only makes sense when you play their game, and accept that their margins define what you never will reach02:16
DocScrutinizer05IOW when they accept they make a margin of say 20% by selling the items on eBay or wherever, then that's by far not the margin/bargain you could achieve when you want to outperform them. Based on your expensive logistics against their streamlined one02:17
DocScrutinizer05when they make a 50% then you could expect to get the item maybe a 30% cheaper than what it will cost you on eBay02:19
DocScrutinizer05or you will get beaten on bidding by them02:20
DocScrutinizer05those 30% are on "TCO" incl all your expenses for shipping and whatnot02:21
DocScrutinizer05now you can ask yourself "do I want this scope for 7k - 30%? Or do I want to gamble and hope they are not interested in this particular item for whatever reason?"02:23
DocScrutinizer05if you can't answer "yes" at least once, forget about it02:24
DocScrutinizer05MB that gambling holds quite some risks and expense, when you really want to do it02:25
DocScrutinizer05NB even02:25
DocScrutinizer05at very least you need to do the money transfer, twice (in case you don't win that gambling game), plus you don't know when (and even if) you get back that deposit02:27
DocScrutinizer05then there's yet another aspect, a quite nasty one: That auction for example sells scope probes separately. When a big guy buys the whole lot, odds are they get the scope with matching probes and can complete the set. When you buy the scope, you either need to get expensive probes as spare parts, or you hope for finding and shooting the (or some) matching probes in same auction02:33
DocScrutinizer05instead of probes, think of any other arbitrary accessory needed for an item02:34
DocScrutinizer05or think of the "switch rack" + "controller for switch rack" they offer. There's quite a number of such sets consisting of more than one part, which make sense only when you get a complete set02:36
DocScrutinizer05it's a shame02:37
DocScrutinizer05epic: http://privatepaste.com/da57995d1804:31
DocScrutinizer05I love that stile ;-)04:33
DocScrutinizer05func_one(){ ...do-something... }; func_one bla; func_two(){ ...do-something... }; func_two bla; func_three(){ ...do-something... }; func_three bla; 04:35
DocScrutinizer05also finally somebody dares to use whitespaces in filenames04:37
DocScrutinizer05long term this will put an end to all the sloppy shellscripting practice that blows chunks on filenames with whitespace04:39
DocScrutinizer05;-)04:39
DocScrutinizer05invoking commands like that on shell commandline keeps the operator alert :-D04:41
DocScrutinizer05/$mountpoint_parentdir/$disk/$SETUP_KIT_PARENTDIRS/Woodland/Any_Pup/Puppy Setup Kit Launcher/Not Standalone/Launch Puppy Setup Kit.sh04:42
Action: DocScrutinizer05 suggests to add trailing whitespace, "*" and "(" and "\" at random positions, and of course some non-printable chars04:45
DocScrutinizer05particularly filenames with \013  \017 and \014 are quite funny04:48
DocScrutinizer05\000 also is nice04:49
DocScrutinizer05moin xiangfu06:19
xiangfuDocScrutinizer05: Hi good morning.06:53
DocScrutinizer05xiangfu: next week there's an auction in Shanghai:  http://www.equipnet.com/auctions/exceptional-offering-of-communication-testers,-analyzers,-oscilloscopes,-ge/660/  dunno you might me interested in some items07:13
DocScrutinizer05might be*07:14
DocScrutinizer05xiangfu: maybe "Fonton SMD 928S Hot Plate Station" ?07:18
DocScrutinizer05Fonton BGA 936USB Rework Station07:19
DocScrutinizer05PDR IR D35Vi Rework Station with Sony SSC G113A Camera07:21
DocScrutinizer05https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_rOvm2Aqic07:29
DocScrutinizer05sorry, the PDR IR D35Vi is prolly a relic07:39
DocScrutinizer05the Fonton BGA 936USB looks like it's useful07:40
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