#qi-hardware IRC log for Friday, 2015-02-27

xiangfuwpwrak: .gitignore: I will update. it.04:46
xiangfuwpwrak: CIS: yes. will do.04:46
xiangfuwpwrak: right now the code is working on SDHC/SDXC >2GB card. I just got a 2GB old card. will test that today.04:46
xiangfuwpwrak: then I think I can try to glue the fatfs and mmc driver.04:47
wpwraki already merged a few things. lemme push 'em ...05:15
xiangfugreat.05:24
Action: xiangfu pulling...05:28
wpwrakah, how about doing this ? https://gitorious.org/anelok/anelok/commit/f9730e62499d811ab242a796d249091065f9db6105:32
wpwrakthat gets rid of the warnings. i see that the original code also uses "static", so i guess that's something that could go upstream ?05:33
wpwrakfor MMC, what are you using as reference for the protocol ? you changes illustrate nicely that i should have documented where i got all details from (i.e., now i have a hard time understanding what your changes actually mean, since i don't know why my code does what it does), so i guess it's time to fix that05:35
xiangfuMMC: I am using the document : http://elm-chan.org/docs/mmc/gx1/sdinit.png and http://elm-chan.org/docs/mmc/mmc_e.html05:41
xiangfufor me to easy understand.05:41
xiangfuI have the compilicate PDF file about the SD card. let me find the URL05:41
wpwrakoh, these summaries look neat !05:42
xiangfuthe document is this one: https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/pls/simplified_specs/partA2_300.pdf05:48
xiangfupage 100 on PDF file.05:48
wpwrakokay, this looks good. let's use this as "master reference"05:50
xiangfuI changed the return value of mmc_init. I use this value to debug. I don't know how to debug the code. so I just display the return value on OLED.05:53
wpwrak(reference) ah wait, one issue seems to be that it doesn't explain SPI mode ..05:54
xiangfuthis one should be the SPI: https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/pls/simplified_specs/archive/part1_110.pdf05:58
xiangfuPage: 9705:58
wpwrakheh, just found that we already have a reference:   dsv sdcard   :)05:58
wpwrakJanuary 22, 201305:59
wpwrakeven has a PDF table of contents ;-)05:59
xiangfusorry that is the old one.05:59
xiangfuYes. this one is the correct one: https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/pls/simplified_specs/part1_410.pdf06:00
xiangfuPage 15306:00
wpwrakand there is  dsv sdprod  for the document from SanDisk that contains some of the things they omitted from the "simplified spec"06:00
wpwrakperfect06:01
xiangfuYes. I will keep working on the mmc code base on this document. right now the code only work with SDHC/SDXC card.06:01
xiangfuhow should I debug the mmc code?06:03
wpwrakokay. please try to make small commits that change one thing at a time. e.g., "add crc7" and so on. that will make it much easier to check things.06:03
wpwrakyou mean with what cards ?06:03
xiangfu(commits) yes. got it. 06:04
xiangfuI mean any 'printf' for debug?06:04
xiangfu:)06:04
wpwrakconsole_printf ? :)06:05
xiangfuYes. that is what I using right now.06:07
wpwraki have to admit that low-level debugging support sucks a bit. console_printf is about the best anelok has. maybe one day we can get swd to work for debugging. i think gdb would support it, or at least there are patches06:07
whitequarkyou need a gdbserver06:08
whitequarkjlink has one, stlink has another06:08
whitequarkgdb will work with any gdbserver you provide, unpatched06:09
wpwrakfirst of all i need to get SWD communication to fail a little less often :)06:13
wpwrakright now it's super-unreliable. already getting a boot loader into the chip takes many tries06:14
xiangfuwpwrak: I have plan to move the ./swd to RPi. 06:14
wpwrakshould be easy. i've already made it quite portable by porting it to the kl26. rpi should be trivial :)06:19
xiangfuYes. I saw this lib.07:01
xiangfuhave to go.07:14
kyakis it possible to disable a compiled-in kernel module? Like rmmod, but for modules compiled into kernel08:34
kyaksay, this module is causing trouble and it is not possible to recompile the kernel without it08:35
kyakspecifically, i'm talking about built-in fs/ntfs module08:35
kyaki'm able to modify the kernel cmdline, and was looking in this direction, but didn't find anything08:38
viricI don't know08:38
kyakneither do i :)08:39
virickernel-parameters.txt :)08:39
kyakalready looked, this module has no parameters08:39
viricthere are not all module parameters08:40
viricbut there is a way to set parameters based on module name, iirc. I don't know if disabling exists, though08:40
kyakgood point08:42
kyaki'll look into it08:42
kyakdidn't find anything useful there..11:05
DocScrutinizer05LOL, they found new threats to structural integrity of ALL nuclear power plants. The steel acts funny and might not last as long as expected17:36
whitequarklink?17:37
DocScrutinizer05sorry TV report17:38
DocScrutinizer05hypothesis: hydrogen diffusion converts the steel into puff pastry17:39
whitequarkohhhh that's well known17:39
whitequarki mean, hydrogen does that to steel, it's not a hypothesis17:39
DocScrutinizer05hehe17:39
whitequarkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_embrittlement "This phenomenon was first described in 1875"17:39
whitequark"new threats"17:39
whitequarkahem17:40
DocScrutinizer05wow, what hackasses17:40
DocScrutinizer05jack*17:40
whitequarkin RU there is a national channel which airs a program describing how to cure cancer with urine17:40
DocScrutinizer05risk assessment was a hoax then, when they built the nuklear reactors?17:40
whitequarkit's wildly popular with retirees17:40
whitequarkteaches you not to trust TV very much :D17:41
DocScrutinizer05huh?17:41
DocScrutinizer05just you said it's well known17:41
DocScrutinizer05meh17:41
Action: whitequark shrugs17:42
whitequarkmy guess: they dug up something that was "new" in 1965 and sensationalized it for moar views17:42
whitequarkthat's usually how it happens17:42
DocScrutinizer05my guess is I forgot to hit /igore when I seen <whitequark> link?17:43
DocScrutinizer05Belgium recently found thousands of hair cracks in pressure vessel and recommended to check all 400some reactors worldwide17:44
DocScrutinizer05now prove that this is stuff they dug up from 196817:45
whitequarkok, now you gave me a link17:45
whitequarkhttp://nuclear-news.net/2015/02/18/a-global-nuclear-industry-problem-as-tests-show-100s-of-cracks-in-belgian-nuclear-reactor/17:45
whitequarkand this is the actual report: http://www.fanc.fgov.be/GED/00000000/3700/3751.pdf17:46
DocScrutinizer05so WHAT?17:47
DocScrutinizer05I'm not the one asking for links17:47
DocScrutinizer05I'm also not the one spoiled by idiot TV17:47
whitequarkno, you're the one throwing in unsubstantiated sensationalistic claims17:47
DocScrutinizer05FU17:48
whitequarkthe actual report looks worrying indeed17:48
whitequarkTV news is bullshit until proven otherwise. that's the only reasonable approach17:49
DocScrutinizer05internet news is bullshit until proven by honest reporters I know and trust17:54
whitequarkfully agreed17:54
DocScrutinizer05sorry my approach is not compatible with yours17:54
whitequarkthe only thing it gave me is the link to pdf from the belgium government17:55
wpwrak("ohhhh that's well known") when russian engineers noticed, corrective actions were taken immediately: all involved saw their vodka ration doubled and were subsequently promoted to new posts either in crimea or siberia, depending on where they would serve their country best :)17:55
whitequarkhttp://fanc.fgov.be/page/homepage-federaal-agentschap-voor-nucleaire-controle-fanc/1.aspx has some more interesting info from the source17:58
DocScrutinizer05proof it's a valid source or shut up!17:58
DocScrutinizer05what makes you think your evaluation of credibility of info is better than mine?17:59
DocScrutinizer05your idea of what's TV?18:00
wpwrakreciprocity ? (-:C18:00
DocScrutinizer05your TV is not my TV18:00
whitequarkbecause it's the report from the very agency who performed the evaluation?18:00
DocScrutinizer05and particularly your way to watch TV obviously differs massively from mine18:00
whitequarkhasn't had a chance to be distorted by someone calling themselves a "reporter"18:00
DocScrutinizer05says who? YOU?18:00
whitequarkyou don't believe fanc.fgov.be is the website of FANC? belgium.be says it is: http://www.belgium.be/en/contactinfo_en_sites/Urls/http_www_fanc_fgov_be.jsp, for example18:01
DocScrutinizer05the TV report quoted those papers and interviewed experts18:02
DocScrutinizer05while you believe in only one source18:02
DocScrutinizer05honestly.. STFU18:02
DocScrutinizer05unlike you i'm well capable to distinguish a honest report from a "drink your piss" BS18:04
DocScrutinizer05you accusing me of >>throwing in unsubstantiated sensationalistic claims<< is an insult18:06
whitequarkit's a literal description of what happened. you claimed something with far-reaching consequences and the only source was a TV18:07
whitequarkwell, you did give me a way to find a source eventually18:07
whitequarkyou could do that right away and we wouldn't have this conversation. wouldn't it be nice18:08
DocScrutinizer05the only source I TOLD YOU ABOUT18:08
whitequarkfacepalm18:08
DocScrutinizer05and next time my irc client will do the /ignore on my behlaf when you ask for "link?"18:09
whitequarkI'll remember to ask for "source?" instead of "link?", sure18:09
whitequark(I wonder if his script triggered or not.)18:09
DocScrutinizer05you could shut up and search internet right away next time. so we also wouldn't have this convo18:10
whitequarkI did18:10
whitequarkbefore I asked anything, even18:10
DocScrutinizer05I'm fed up with you for today18:10
Action: DocScrutinizer05 suspects whitequark will believe inverviews of whomever only when reading them transcribed in internet. TV live coverage is just BS18:13
DocScrutinizer05since we all know: TV always lies. Internet never18:19
whitequarkwhere did I say "never"?18:20
wpwrakTV always lies. Internet only sometimes :)18:20
whitequarklet me quote the backlog for you18:21
whitequark17:54 < DocScrutinizer05> internet news is bullshit until proven by honest reporters I know and trust18:21
wpwraki mean, if someone make all the effort of getting their message on TV, how could they possibly have honest intentions ? :)18:21
whitequark17:54 < whitequark> fully agreed18:21
DocScrutinizer05I'm not talking about commercials here. when you don't see the meduim doesn't make any difference for the way and level of effort you need to check honesty of an info, then I dunno how to fix your obvious problem18:24
whitequarki WAS checking honesty of info, hence i asked you for the actual source that did the report. i would do the same for internet news, and in fact this is EXACTLY how i eventually found the report18:25
DocScrutinizer05no mazzer if TV, internet, radio or newspaper or some rant in latrine. You always need to apply same checks to info18:25
DocScrutinizer05you did not ask for source, you asked for "┬žlink?"18:26
DocScrutinizer05if you had asked for source, I probably had given you "primary source: Belgium authorities, reported by 3SAT NANO"18:27
DocScrutinizer05http://www.3sat.de/page/?source=/nano/umwelt/180756/index.html18:29
whitequarkexcellent18:31
DocScrutinizer05thanks! please find the invoice for consulting in your email next few days18:34
whitequarkI'll gladly pay you your hourly rate...18:36
whitequark... in bitcoin18:36
DocScrutinizer05if instead of "link?" and " in RU there is a national channel which airs a program describing how to cure cancer with urine" "teaches you not to trust TV very much :D" you had asked for "which channel? is it available via iternet too?", you would have earned more points on smart-questions account18:37
DocScrutinizer05the way you acted you come over like a jackass18:38
whitequarkokay, I guess you're right. sorry about that18:39
DocScrutinizer05could somebody please try translate the cat's saying for me? http://m.cdn.blog.hu/fr/frankzappa/image/RegiHirek/BarkingPumpkinLogo.gif  Or tell me when it's nonsense20:08
DocScrutinizer05nevermind https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ffrankzappa.blog.hu%2F2013%2F02%2F06%2Faz_ugato_tok_logorol_autentikusan%3Ftoken%3D80d2ae870ed2bdb9fb8c50865ae726f120:12
kyakDocScrutinizer05: you had to wait one year to find it out? :) http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs/qi-hardware_2014-04-05.log.html20:41
DocScrutinizer05huh?20:42
kyakseriously, i thought for one second that i can see into the future20:42
kyakDocScrutinizer05: could somebody savvy of chinese/japanese(?) please translate for me what the cat is saying? http://www.pbase.com/image/8448258520:42
kyakyou asked that one year ago20:42
DocScrutinizer05see, I start suffering Alzheimer20:43
kyakwhat's my disease called?20:43
viriccryptomnesia20:43
viricfor the second you thought about the future20:44
DocScrutinizer05btw the .ru site linked in above is better than crappy google translate: http://www.arf.ru/Notes/Tinsel/intro2.html20:44
kyakhehe20:45
DocScrutinizer05"sacred"  "feces"  X-P20:48
kyakdamn this site is old20:55
kyakalso, three letters domain name in .ru zone.. cool20:55
whitequarkcreated:       2000.08.3120:58
kyaki have (had) no idea what this site is about, but it should be preserved "as is" as a monument to the internet of 90s :)20:59
kyak"This website was founded in autumn 1996 by Vladimir Sovetov the"21:00
kyakmaybe it had another address at that time, dunno21:00
DocScrutinizer05hehe, what about ct.de or db.de21:00
DocScrutinizer05must be as old as the .de domain itself21:01
DocScrutinizer05(yes, there been times when no .de existed)21:02
whitequarkthe universe appeared in 1970-01-0121:06
kyakand dissappeared in 1970-01-01 + MAX_uint64 :)21:11
whitequarkINT_MAX actually21:13
whitequarkso the apocalypse will be soon upon us21:13
DocScrutinizer05SPAM >> Does your website change as per the user behavior? If your answer is no, then you need a responsive website. << Hell NO!!!21:18
DocScrutinizer05seemed to fit in context21:18
DocScrutinizer05sei fun21:23
DocScrutinizer05~sei fun is holy shit21:23
infobotDocScrutinizer05: please, watch your language.21:23
DocScrutinizer05-~uselss21:24
DocScrutinizer05-~useless21:24
DocScrutinizer05ohmy21:24
DocScrutinizer05~useless21:24
Action: infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :(21:24
DocScrutinizer05and a last OT comment: RIP Lennard Nimoy21:25
DocScrutinizer05Loenard?21:25
DocScrutinizer05link: http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-3166202421:26
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