wpwrak | some people have a peculiar sense of humor: www.screwschina.com (and yes, they make screws and are located in china, but ...) | 03:27 |
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eintopf | wpwrak: but what? You wouldn't use screws from china? | 09:40 |
eintopf | I mean a screw is screw | 09:40 |
eintopf | s/is/is a/ | 09:40 |
larsc | just make sure you don't get screwed | 09:46 |
eintopf | larsc: ah, I think, I understand. | 10:36 |
wpwrak | eintopf: i was just looking for information on small screws. the sort i'll have to put into anelok to make the case a bit more robust | 12:44 |
wpwrak | lessons learned: you can google all you want for "torx t5 screw" or such, the best you'll find are fiendishly overpriced cell phone replacement screws (something like USD 2 apiece) | 12:46 |
wpwrak | what you really want to look for is called "self-tapping" screws. and of these, it's the "thread-forming" kind (and not "thread-cutting", although some make take the terminology loosely) | 12:47 |
wpwrak | and the size won't be given in the size of the opening (T5 or such) but in the diameter of the thread, i.e., M1, M1.6, and so on. | 12:48 |
wpwrak | the small cell phone type screws still seem elusive - western sites seem to prefer large sizes. M3 and bigger. | 12:50 |
wpwrak | but at least i have been able to gather enough information to know what i'll have to do to make such critters fit. turns out that it's not too bad. i need for M1.6 are few slots in the PCB that are at least 2 mm wide and 2.2 mm deep. | 12:51 |
eintopf | i know these smartphone screws, I bought some tool set from china | 13:07 |
eintopf | with plastic pieces which looks like a plectrum from guitar | 13:07 |
eintopf | and the small torx scredrivers | 13:07 |
eintopf | s/scredrivers/screwdrivers/ | 13:08 |
eintopf | wpwrak: you should not but some gamebody screws. These screws with some triangle hole. I hate these screws | 13:11 |
eintopf | s/gamebody/gameboy | 13:11 |
wpwrak | i've heard apple also have some fun ones: a little smaller than T1, so a T1 piece won't fit :) | 13:12 |
eintopf | my brother knows how to deal with such screws, you need a hammer and a four edged screwdriver. Than attach the screwdriver and hammer on it. | 13:14 |
eintopf | but you could also drill it | 13:14 |
eintopf | anyway, I would not do the hammer method on electrical devices | 13:15 |
eintopf | for cars, okay... that might works | 13:15 |
wpwrak | i think i'll not add compatibility with the drill and hammer method to the design specs of anelok :) | 13:16 |
eintopf | simple: use a normal screw without buying the special wpwrak repair tool set | 13:21 |
eintopf | thats what they company try to do with that | 13:21 |
eintopf | s/they company/the companies/ | 13:21 |
wpwrak | naw, torx isn't all that special :) | 13:25 |
wpwrak | small phillips would be an option too, though. torx is better but since the forces in use there are relatively small, phillips should do | 13:26 |
eintopf | I have this set: http://src.discounto.de/pics/product/26850/43719_WORKZONE-Feinmechaniker-Satz-26850_xxl.jpeg | 13:36 |
eintopf | and torx is included | 13:36 |
eintopf | wpwrak: but you want a case for anelok? You said for me some time ago, that when you using a case you need to get some certificates | 13:38 |
eintopf | for selling | 13:38 |
wpwrak | (WORKZONE) they you're prepared for whatever the future may bring :) | 13:40 |
wpwrak | cases can complicate things, yes, since they make it less credible that what you're selling is a "kit" | 13:41 |
wpwrak | but there's no much of a choice - you can't sell a bare pcb to end users | 13:42 |
eintopf | (WORKZONE) the cheapest thing 4 ever. It's from ALDI. In austria it's "hofher" | 13:43 |
wpwrak | for the "alpha" units (small quantity, quite kit-like) we're probably fine without certs and such | 13:43 |
wpwrak | (workzone) yeah, and nobody even specifies what's inside it :) | 13:43 |
eintopf | so you selling the kit and the end-user need to build it together? | 13:44 |
eintopf | :S | 13:44 |
eintopf | okay, doesn't matter, were I need to subscribe to get an anelok? I will give you money ;) | 13:44 |
eintopf | okay, let do that next month | 13:45 |
wpwrak | well, that's what i may want to do with the "alpha" units. they'll be intended for developers anyway, not for "normal" users | 13:45 |
wpwrak | i must have described that on the list some time ... checking ... | 13:45 |
wpwrak | here we are: http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2014-May/010613.html | 13:48 |
wpwrak | slight changes: making "alpha" units myself probably won't be necessary. also the number of "alpha" units may be a bit larger then than just ten. | 13:50 |
eintopf | ah, ok. | 13:51 |
wpwrak | also, Y-Box almost certainly won't be necessary. so this could be replaced by another anelok. (to act as radio peer) | 13:52 |
xiangfu | wpwrak: your last code works just fine here. | 14:02 |
wpwrak | kewl. so i need to try harder to break something :) | 14:17 |
xiangfu | happy chinese new year. | 15:59 |
kyak | xiangfu: and happy long holidays :) | 16:00 |
xiangfu | YEAH. | 16:00 |
larsc | party party party! | 16:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | whitequark: _whitelogger__ isn't registered | 16:02 |
whitequark | siiiiiigh | 16:06 |
whitequark | hm, actually, I can register _whitelogger now without logger downtime | 16:06 |
whitequark | since it has the __ at the end | 16:06 |
whitequark | . | 16:10 |
whitequark | DocScrutinizer05: i registered it | 16:10 |
whitequark | are you happy now | 16:10 |
DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'd be even more happy when it was in #neo900 too ;-) | 16:10 |
whitequark | it's not in #neo900? | 16:11 |
whitequark | still joining i guess | 16:11 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, it is, now | 16:11 |
whitequark | i've fifty channels and freenode throttles me to 1 msg per 0.8s | 16:11 |
whitequark | so join takes a WHILE | 16:11 |
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whitequark | well /now/ i can't do anything about it | 16:18 |
DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 16:19 |
wpwrak | xiangfu: happy new year ! :) | 16:19 |
whitequark | since i can't impersonate the bot without shutting it down | 16:19 |
DocScrutinizer05 | whitequark: that's actually not an obstacle. Just autheticate against bot's account ;-) | 16:19 |
whitequark | won't that kick the bot out? | 16:20 |
DocScrutinizer05 | /ns id _whitelogger MyPassWord | 16:20 |
DocScrutinizer05 | no | 16:20 |
wpwrak | whitequark: if you stand up, turn to the west, and say three times aloud "NSA, NSA, NSA", maybe they'll help you with the impersonation | 16:20 |
whitequark | . | 16:22 |
whitequark | hm, right, doesnt kick it out | 16:22 |
whitequark | DocScrutinizer05: ok done | 16:24 |
DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 16:24 |
DocScrutinizer05 | pleased to help | 16:24 |
DocScrutinizer05 | loggers (and generally bots) with proper accountability have way higher acceptance | 16:24 |
DocScrutinizer05 | chanops know where to complain when bot ever starts to misbehave | 16:27 |
whitequark | right | 16:28 |
DocScrutinizer05 | /ns info _whitelogger now looks great | 16:30 |
DocScrutinizer05 | clearly no rogue/spam-bot | 16:30 |
arossdotme | what do you think of external gps antennas? | 16:39 |
arossdotme | arr is it china's newyear... | 16:40 |
kristianpaul | how so arossdotme ? | 17:06 |
arossdotme | how so? | 17:06 |
arossdotme | gps or china newyear? | 17:07 |
kristianpaul | gps | 17:07 |
kristianpaul | eveything need wiring and for gps like an extenal antenns is most likelly to gibe you problems | 17:08 |
arossdotme | well i my case shall i get one sold by http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html?linux_pda.htm | 17:08 |
arossdotme | would it be helpful for car use? | 17:08 |
arossdotme | it's just the postagge is £10+ so i'd prefer to only make one worder :D | 17:08 |
arossdotme | one order | 17:09 |
kristianpaul | that link redirects here | 17:10 |
arossdotme | i can't give you the dirct link | 17:10 |
kristianpaul | cars should have built-in antennas, my personal opinion | 17:10 |
kristianpaul | what is your apllication? | 17:11 |
arossdotme | it's in the open moko section | 17:11 |
arossdotme | car nav? | 17:11 |
arossdotme | bost maybe, if i'm ever one one | 17:11 |
arossdotme | on one | 17:11 |
arossdotme | boat | 17:11 |
kristianpaul | and is your receiver just gps or also glonass? perhaps beidu as well :D ? | 17:12 |
arossdotme | would it make a difference woods when walking? | 17:12 |
arossdotme | it's gta04 | 17:12 |
kristianpaul | ahhhhhh | 17:13 |
arossdotme | ;) | 17:13 |
kristianpaul | we shall ask wpwrak or DocScrutinizer05 | 17:13 |
arossdotme | oh | 17:13 |
kristianpaul | not sure what gps receiver it uses | 17:14 |
arossdotme | i think no glonass | 17:14 |
arossdotme | hmm | 17:14 |
kristianpaul | for walking you probably need a IMU on board a well i bet | 17:14 |
kristianpaul | you need meter or centimet accuracy? | 17:14 |
kristianpaul | centimeter* | 17:14 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the gta04 has no glonass afaik | 17:16 |
arossdotme | left or right accuracy :P | 17:16 |
arossdotme | * do i turn left or right accuracy | 17:16 |
kristianpaul | left or rigght? use a compass ! ;-) | 17:17 |
kristianpaul | a digital ine of course | 17:17 |
arossdotme | he ha | 17:17 |
arossdotme | or a map | 17:17 |
arossdotme | but you get the idea | 17:17 |
arossdotme | or waling in a city | 17:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | gta04 using the gta02 active GPS antenna internally | 17:17 |
arossdotme | walking | 17:17 |
arossdotme | yea | 17:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | which is supposed to work sufficiently fine when no interference from device and no broken cable | 17:18 |
arossdotme | so how much benefit is there from the external one.. | 17:18 |
DocScrutinizer05 | usually zilch | 17:18 |
arossdotme | ok, i'll save my £10 then | 17:18 |
DocScrutinizer05 | external antenna my have higher gain when yiu use a huge one | 17:18 |
DocScrutinizer05 | may* | 17:19 |
arossdotme | what about the one i linked too/ | 17:19 |
arossdotme | t? | 17:19 |
arossdotme | http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html?linux_pda.htm | 17:19 |
arossdotme | in the openmoko section | 17:19 |
kristianpaul | put the gt04 in your gap, thats a better antenna | 17:19 |
arossdotme | so if the gta04 head has 40%~ I';M OK | 17:20 |
arossdotme | opps caps lock | 17:20 |
DocScrutinizer05 | you'll need external antenna when the device is in an unfortunate location with no free sight to sky | 17:20 |
arossdotme | 40% sky | 17:20 |
arossdotme | hmm | 17:21 |
kristianpaul | i meant cap sorry | 17:21 |
arossdotme | cap=hat> | 17:21 |
arossdotme | t? | 17:21 |
arossdotme | ? | 17:21 |
kristianpaul | even better | 17:22 |
kristianpaul | yes arossdotme | 17:22 |
arossdotme | ok | 17:22 |
arossdotme | hmm | 17:22 |
arossdotme | i guess these gps antentor cables don't like being moved/bent a lot? | 17:23 |
arossdotme | best fitted and left permanently? | 17:23 |
kristianpaul | bent... hmm | 17:24 |
arossdotme | flexed | 17:24 |
arossdotme | packed up | 17:24 |
arossdotme | into storage bag | 17:25 |
kristianpaul | i have one of those antnna is magnetic attached, so far gold behavior after packing | 17:25 |
kristianpaul | but im carefull | 17:25 |
arossdotme | and even then i was thinking of using my diy lunch box computer for my car computer, so what would be using a usb gps. it's advantage is it has a bigger screen | 17:28 |
arossdotme | what=that | 17:28 |
kristianpaul | oh usb gps need for sure an extension | 17:28 |
arossdotme | yea | 17:28 |
kristianpaul | but works decently with its antenna | 17:29 |
arossdotme | but a gps antentor would be of so much use | 17:29 |
arossdotme | woundn't | 17:29 |
arossdotme | DocScrutinizerthx | 17:29 |
arossdotme | arr hmm what to do | 17:33 |
kristianpaul | buy buy buy (-:{ | 17:36 |
arossdotme | :) | 17:37 |
DocScrutinizer05 | there's a bazillion of external GPS antennas available in the intarwebs | 17:38 |
DocScrutinizer05 | as long as the plug matches, they usually shall "just work" | 17:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, nasically it's just... an antenna | 17:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | basically* | 17:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | (ok, it has an amp built in, but those are standard pretty much) | 17:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.google.de/search?q=GPS+external+antenna+active&gws_rd=cr&oq=GPS+external+antenna+active | 17:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.ebay.com/itm/28dB-LNA-Gain-1575-42MHz-RP-SMA-Male-GPS-Active-Antenna-Stronger-Singal-/291353328325 | 17:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | you'll usually need a adapter | 17:47 |
arossdotme | hmm | 17:49 |
arossdotme | mmh | 17:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the pulster one comes with right plug it seems, maybe worth the 13 bucks more | 17:52 |
arossdotme | i guess i might be usefull to have just in case | 18:32 |
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