#qi-hardware IRC log for Saturday, 2014-10-25

Amorahanyone alive?02:26
wpwraknaw, our self-destruct mechanisms are error-free :)02:57
arhuaco_Alive but going to sleep.05:33
eintopfthe yoda keyboard09:17
wpwrakthought of the day: among zombies, "anyone alive" is probably an insult10:02
wpwrak(yoda kbd) the hhkb is strong in that one :)10:03
wpwrakthe three mouse buttons seem a bit large, though10:04
eintopfI want a better keyboard, but for 229.99 $? I would better buy 5 of http://www.cherry.de/PDF/DE_G80-3000.pdf10:08
eintopfbut I need black edition in US layout10:08
eintopfand with euro symbol :)10:08
eintopfG80-3000LSCEU-2 10:10
wpwrakyou could get a HHKB Lite. that's only some USD 70. all of the HHKB are great and well worth the money, even if some of them seems very expensive.10:27
wpwrak(i have one of the original ones, with PS/2, a pro, and i had - and lost - a lite)10:28
DocScrutinizer05yoda kbd. UGH! USD229 for a crappy kbd with an annoying nipple that I usually immediately remove from all my thinkpads and "plug" it into the (otherwise useless) modem RJ11 receptacle10:33
wpwrakthe nipple - the most intuitive user interface ever ;-)10:37
eintopfthe nipple is better than a touchpad11:54
eintopfcorrect word is trackpoint11:55
eintopfnipples... oh yea sometimes you need to know how you can deal with real nipples.11:56
DocScrutinizer05I'd trade in a trackpoint for a trackball any time. And a touchpad is usually even more convenient than a trackball, when it's a good touchpad, not too small12:50
whitequarkI'm trying to switch to kicad12:52
whitequarkimmediately after creating a new project, it errors out12:52
whitequarkwhen attempting to save said project, it just segfaults12:52
whitequarkA+ engineering right here12:52
wpwrakwhitequark: with kicad, you need to work a bit on the workflow. the way kicad proposes to do things often doesn't work too well13:17
wpwrake.g., i have a makefile that invokes eeschema and pcbnew directly with the respective project13:17
wpwrakand then i don13:17
wpwrak't manage symbol and footprint libraries through the gui but by just adding them to the project file. much more convenient.13:18
wpwrakand of course i don't use the footprint editor at all but do them with fped13:19
wpwrakthe editor for schematics symbols is okay, though. nothing extraordinary but sufficient.13:19
wpwrakit's useful to "enhance" them for visualization, though. like in http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/kicad-libs-components.pdf13:21
wpwrakthere, i also add the pin type, so one can see what has been set there, without having to explore it interactively13:21
wpwrakthe script for it is in the kicad-libs project (and you may want to use that project for components anyway)13:22
wpwrakDocScrutinizer05: i think trackballs are died of the y2k bug :) and i hate those fumblepads. what i prefer is a trackpoint as emergency solution while on the go and a small mouse for use when i have a table13:24
whitequarkjust don't use shitty touchpads. make sure it's a new-ish (like post 2011) synaptics13:25
whitequarkmaybe post 200913:25
wpwrakbut i know there are people who love fumblepads and the industry is pretty much forcing them down our collective throats anyway ...13:26
eintopfnever heard "fumblepads"13:29
eintopfgoogle will correct me to "rumblepad" and that's normally the gamepad extension for vibration. I think the original word cames from N64 and the "rumblepack"13:30
eintopfah rumble - some vibration and pad for pad13:30
DocScrutinizer05no, fumble like... fumbling13:38
wpwrak(fumblepads) i just made it up ;-)13:41
wpwraknice ;-) and also the picture in the comments14:28
DocScrutinizer05~chanadd #qi-hardware17:30
infobotOkay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer05)17:31
DocScrutinizer05~chanadd #qi-hardware17:31
infobotJoining #qi-hardware...17:31
DocScrutinizer05~chanset #qi-hardware sed 017:32
infobotSetting sed for #qi-hardware to '0'.17:32
DocScrutinizer05~chanset #qi-hardware log 017:32
infobotSetting log for #qi-hardware to '0'.17:32
infobotsaved user and chan files17:32
DocScrutinizer05~+chaninfo #qi-hardware17:33
infobotOn #qi-hardware, there have been 1 Deop, 1 Join and 3 PublicMsgs.  At the moment, 1 Voice, 2 Opped and 50 Total.  repo has said the most with a total of 396 messages.17:33
DocScrutinizer05~chanset #qi-hardware17:34
infobotchan: #qi-hardware (see _default also)17:34
infobot _time_added => 1414258294, autojoin => infobot, log => 0, sed => 017:34
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys #qi-hardware17:34
infobotFactoid search of '#qi-hardware' by key (4): #qi-hardware bill gates ;; #qi-hardware milkymist ;; #qi-hardware infobot ;; #qi-hardware flashing.17:34
DocScrutinizer05~chanset #qi-hardware factoidSearch $channel _default17:35
infobotSetting factoidSearch for #qi-hardware to '$channel _default'.17:35
infobotmethinks milkymist is /join #qi-hardware17:35
DocScrutinizer05~literal milkymist17:36
infobot"milkymist" is "/join #qi-hardware"17:36
DocScrutinizer05~literal #qi-hardware milkymist17:36
infobot"#qi-hardware milkymist" is "a mystery"17:36
DocScrutinizer05~chanset #qi-hardware factoidSearch $chan _default17:37
infobotSetting factoidSearch for #qi-hardware to '$chan _default'; was '$channel _default'.17:37
infobotwell, milkymist is a mystery17:37
DocScrutinizer05sorry for the noise. Just thought I better do it in the open17:37
DocScrutinizer05bot shouldn't log, shouldn't react on s/x/y/, and generally behave17:38
DocScrutinizer05if any complaints, please holler17:39
infobotsaved user and chan files17:39
DocScrutinizer05attention char is "~", nick is infobot17:40
infobotI'm your very local infobot, and this is a facoid only valid in this chan17:41
DocScrutinizer05whitequark: please make _whitelogger register at nickserv!17:45
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: what for?17:46
DocScrutinizer05to handle it accordingly17:46
DocScrutinizer05I cannot add it to access lists when it's anonymous17:46
whitequarkdoes it need to be in an access list?17:47
DocScrutinizer05should, for documenting it's a legit bot17:47
whitequarkI'll have to take it down...17:47
whitequarkto login under it17:48
DocScrutinizer05sure, for 30s ;)17:48
whitequarkit boots for five minutes17:48
whitequarkfreenode kicks it unless the outgoing message rate is limited to 1/2 msg per second17:48
DocScrutinizer05no hurries17:48
whitequarkand it currently handles ... 38 channels17:49
DocScrutinizer05could it eventually handle 39 too?17:49
whitequarksure, I'll expect it to scale up to hundreds at least17:49
whitequarkmaybe later, I also need to add support for re-reading configuration from disk to it anyway17:50
-ChanServ:#qi-hardware- DocScrutinizer05 (jOERG_rw) set flags +V on _whitelogger!whitelogge@fehu.whitequark.org.17:50
DocScrutinizer05added full hostmask for now. that's not spoofing-safe though17:51
whitequarknot broken-connection-safe too (it will reconnect as _whitelogger_____17:52
DocScrutinizer05see, that's why I'd ask you make it authenticate at nickserv ;-)17:52
whitequarkwell yes, it makes sense17:52
whitequarkit's just the boot is friggin slow17:52
DocScrutinizer05could you please add #neo900 to logged channels?17:52
whitequark... and I'll have to reboot it afterwards17:53
whitequarkso you win17:53
whitequarkcould as well register it17:53
whitequarksure, wait a sec, I'll finish other stuff17:53
DocScrutinizer05infobots logs suck17:53
whitequarkdo you know about irclogger's textmode? http://irclog.whitequark.org/jruby/2014-10-25.txt17:54
whitequarkplaintext logs17:54
whitequarkand by popular request I also support downloading plaintext archives for entire history using lftp -c 'mirror http://irclog.whitequark.org/$CHANNEL/index/'17:54
DocScrutinizer05well, that's about what you get from infobot . once a day :-/17:54
whitequarkfor backups and such17:54
DocScrutinizer05ftp is cool feature17:55
DocScrutinizer05thanks a megaton17:55
whitequarkdifferent program17:55
whitequarkit's not actually ftp, I don't know why it has ftp in the name17:55
whitequarkit's like recursive wget17:55
DocScrutinizer05btw infobot also takes like 10 minutes to log in to its 120some channels17:56
DocScrutinizer05plus it sucks on netsplits, never notices that it got dropped on some channels, or even some personalities (ibot, apt)17:57
whitequarkoh, huh17:58
whitequarkI'm using some Ruby library (cinch), it smoothes over so many IRC warts17:58
whitequarkand is very stable too, it can run for months without really any intervention17:58
DocScrutinizer05ibot is plain perl iirc17:59
whitequarkit's more about the libraries17:59
whitequarkwhatever Ruby library I used before sucked, the bot had to be restarted at least daily17:59
DocScrutinizer05that sucks17:59
DocScrutinizer05gotta run. please ping me when you're ready with tweaks18:00
wpwrak(downloading) for statistics ! :)18:33
eintopfgrml, i am ill18:46
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