#qi-hardware IRC log for Tuesday, 2014-06-10

DocScrutinizer05he knew what will happen, he took some nice lecture with him, to not get bored by the process which been a stage play with a known script00:00
wpwraknaw, first he was read the accusations, then he had to make his declaration. not sure if he could delegate the talking.00:00
DocScrutinizer05*shrug* 00:00
DocScrutinizer05I bet he trained it once, a week before00:00
wpwrakprobably :)00:01
DocScrutinizer05then he decided which porn mag to take with him for the process00:01
DocScrutinizer05really the _only_ way to stress such sucker would be when he was confronted all of a sudden with something completely unexpected 00:02
wpwrakwell, there will be a few more such hearing this week. (of other people involved) in total it's five, all the way to friday. let's see if one of them cracks.00:03
DocScrutinizer05different judge, completely new accusation text he had never seen/heard before... such things00:03
wpwrakhmm, i think i have something for you ... different bastard but indeed a surprising reaction ... lemme look it up ...00:04
wpwraka visiting greek journalist interviewed the minister of economy. she asked him about the inflation numbers. he responded by which entity produces them and that they are the only possible numbers.00:07
wpwrakthen she asked that there were certain accusations. he then asked for a break. off-screen (but with the microphone still on), he said that he doesn't want to talk about inflation since this is very difficult in argentina, and "i want to leave"00:08
wpwraksince then he was known as "i want to leave". it took almost a year until his wish was granted, though. some nice picture: diariohoy.net/politica/inutiles-lorenzino-y-un-papelon-sin-precedentes-984200:12
DocScrutinizer05wpwrak: when you want to make money from selling hw: http://schiit.com/products/bifrost01:22
DocScrutinizer05this thing has a realy good margin from R&D + production cost to sales price01:23
DocScrutinizer05and the circuit isn't really rocket science01:24
whitequarkselling anything to "audiophiles" is massively profitable, duh01:24
whitequark1) take regular chinese audio cables 2) rebrand 3) PROFIT01:24
whitequarkhow do you call the long plastic things which are used to e.g. grip together several cables?01:45
whitequarkthe plastic thing has dents along its length, and on one end there's a ratchet or a latch01:46
whitequarkso you put it through itself, pull and it tightens01:46
Action: DocScrutinizer05 ponders special audiophile option of Neo900: use extreme quality capacitors wherever needed, have additional shielding (can), filtering for DC supply. Accessories01:46
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: and 10x the cost. I say this is a great idea (no sarcasm)01:47
whitequarkhttp://www.mos-plast.ru/files/xomut.jpg � this thing01:51
whitequark"cable tie"01:52
DocScrutinizer05eliminate the RF components in AV path that are there to enable using of headset cable as a antenna for FMRX. Those beads may have negative effects on audio02:02
DocScrutinizer05particularly the one on GND path02:03
DocScrutinizer05kick out the AHJ/OMTP mux, it might have impact on audio quality02:13
whitequarkhm, I've actually unscrewed the rusty screws in my CNC mill using a hex nut and some slight force02:33
whitequarkthe thread is actually just fine, it's the head that rusts. still, I wonder what to do now... not sure where to get same screws but out of stainless steel02:33
whitequarkthey have M4x10 thread and d=6mm l=4mm cylindrical hex head for a 3mm key02:33
whitequarkoh, nevermind, of course it is amazon02:35
wpwrakDocScrutinizer05: doesn't look all *that* simple. three boards, a nice metal case, unless the volume is large, there may not be all that much margin in it05:12
wpwrakwhitequark: (china rebrand) i think you're on a better track there :)05:12
whitequarkwpwrak: do you even *have* a sleeping schedule?05:13
whitequarkbased on what I remember, you're just active at completely random intervals around the clock05:13
whitequarkdo you sleep *at all*? :D05:14
wpwrakno schedule. but i do sleep :)05:17
wpwrakDocScrutinizer05: (audiophile version) i think you're still missing the point :) it's not about working harder but it's about marketing it better. so make a truly trivial change, like replacing a connector with nickel-plated contacts with one with gold-plated ones, at a BOM cost increase of five US-cents, then have some audio connoisseur (pick some celebrity, maybe, since you mentioned him recently, udo lindenberg if he's still alive)05:23
wpwrak voice some approval. then $ell :)05:23
DocScrutinizer05that's not how I work, however05:25
wpwrakwhitequark: (cable tie) nowadays also "handcuff" ;-)05:25
wpwrakDocScrutinizer05: ah, too honest for this world ...05:26
DocScrutinizer05I'm offering true added value for those who want this special version and are willing to pay for it (since it's obviously not cheap to do a design&assembly variant of this complexity for only a few customers)05:31
DocScrutinizer05you're aware that the usual X5R/X7R are susceptible to piezo effects and can even make the PCB emit sounds. Are you also aware the in turn the mechanical forces to same capacitor are introducing distortions into electric signal?05:34
wpwrakwhat do they say ? "honesty is an important thing in marketing. if you can fake it convincingly, there's no limit to your success"05:35
DocScrutinizer05I don't like your tone05:36
wpwrakyes yes, i'm aware of the works of Mr. Piezo :)05:36
DocScrutinizer05basically the usual standard smd capacitor is a NON-linear component05:38
wpwrakver few things are, at the end of the day05:38
DocScrutinizer05well, if you say so05:39
wpwraki mean, very few things are "linear" (or otherwise "ideal")05:40
DocScrutinizer05I mean very few statements are *absolutely* true05:48
larscand in the end it only has to be linear enough to work05:49
DocScrutinizer05yours is similarly true to "there are no isolators"05:50
wpwrakindeed :)05:50
DocScrutinizer05and to "the audio of GTA02 just worked"05:51
wpwrakthat, on the other hand, may stretch poetic license a little :)05:52
DocScrutinizer05I don't feel in the mood to take my obligatory daily bashing by nonsensical arguments just right now. c u l8r05:52
wpwrakfunny. we all agree, and he still feels like he's being bashed. pms ? :)05:53
DocScrutinizer05I can't agree on "doesn't matter when X5R introduces 15% TIM, a resistor also introduces noise and distortion (though maybe a little bit less"  or  "yeah, sure, you might be able to hide that you're dishonest" KTNXBY05:55
wpwraknobody said you were dishonest. we're just making fun of the audio market.05:56
DocScrutinizer05nobody said you are drunk05:58
DocScrutinizer05and nobody said you're telling shit05:59
wpwrakhmm, i still have a bottle of beer in the fridge. it would go nicely with a bit of late night snack, and it's still early enough (or late, if you want) for a good drink at this hour to be socially acceptable :)06:00
wpwraki think i'll just take your advice. thanks ! :)06:00
dos1but hey, that advice was great10:19
dos1the whole audiophile market operates like that :P10:19
dos1my favourite is awfully expensive gold USB cable for high quality digital audio ;)10:20
dos1things like replacing nickel-plated contacts with gold-plated ones and changing few other similar details indeed are able to raise the price up by adding next 0 to its end, so if we'd have to follow the rules of this market DocScrutinizer05's propositions should probably add a few more zeros :P10:27
dos1actually, if we'd use "audiophile" terminology, then I wonder if target audience would trust that it's "audiophile enough" if the price would be too low :D10:28
nicksydneygold is expensive than nickel :)11:05
wpwrakdos1: (price too low) yes, that's a funny effect. make something cheaper than people expect it to be and they will not buy it - no matter how good it is - because they don't trust the price12:13
wpwrakpretty neat "AI bot": www.cleverbot.com13:47
wpwrakit's a bit terse but can do rather interesting things, like switch languages. I suspect it matches entire phrases, because parsing different grammars that well may be just a bit too difficult.13:49
wpwrakespecially if one of them is german ;-)13:49
larscprobably just markov chains or something similar13:55
wpwrakyes, must be that. pretty amazing how well it works, though.13:56
larsc(in reality you are just connected to another clever bot user ;))13:58
wpwrakyeah, i thought of that possibility :)13:59
wpwrakapparently, there are nearly 100k people chatting with the bot, so it could just randomly pick partners.14:00
ysionneauby testing the French, it types like a French teenager14:02
ysionneauwith horrible errors14:03
ysionneauso I suspect indeed it pastes sentences from other chatters14:03
larscI think it works by remembering responses14:08
larscso when the bot says foo and you answer with bar14:08
larscthe next time somebody says foo the bot answers with bar14:08
whitequarkwpwrak: there's a certain markov chain bot, @winocm_ebooks, seeded with the twitter of a certain jailbreaker16:11
whitequarkthousands of people talk to it for months, begging it to release a jailbreak for iOS 7.1, and not realizing that it is a bot, at all.16:12
whitequarkfrankly, I have no belief in humanity16:12
wpwrakoh, that's clever. very limited topic range, and a "personality" with every excuse for being erratic (in addition to the excuses people will just make up because they so desperately want that jailbreak)17:00
whitequarkhm, apparently it was deleted17:01
whitequarka pity; the conversations were hilarious17:01
wpwrak(cleverbot) hmm, been around ("public") since 1997. that would explain the massive database17:05
wpwrakthat level of "intelligence" should actually be suitable for technical support and such17:06
wpwrak"What do the rectangles in a flowchart mean ?" "They tell me to do bad things." neat :)17:18
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