#qi-hardware IRC log for Wednesday, 2014-05-21

nicksydneyok is this a fire inside a nuclear plant or just a shadow and smoke http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-20/caught-camera-fire-fukushima 00:07
nicksydneyat 1:16 into the video00:07
DocScrutinizer05this is cubism art, with somebody bringing a tad of color into it by car light00:46
nicksydneysomething to think about for future design http://www.ti.com/lit/ml/slyt570/slyt570.pdf?hootPostID=42e89e944eaefe8d7faf69672a5dbeda (Adapting Qi-compliant wireless-power01:03
nicksydneysolutions to low-power wearable products)01:03
nicksydneyDocScrutinizer05: cubism art ? you always come out with words that sounds circuitry to me .. heheh01:03
nicksydneylooks like nano pcduino3 is in the pipeline http://pcduino.com/forum/index.php?topic=4449.001:31
wpwrakluckily, it doesn't seem to be yet another *duino*. people do seem to grow up :)01:42
DocScrutinizer05nfc what that's meant to be. some cheesy green and black sketch and people asking all sorts of seemingly unrelated questions01:45
DocScrutinizer05I gather the real source of info is somewhere else?01:46
DocScrutinizer05e.g I can't see what switching of cam interface somebody could read out of that green mockup01:47
DocScrutinizer05>>I don't know about this camera interface, but the ability and power this board has is pretty cool.<<  aha!01:48
DocScrutinizer05found the "root" page. sorry no excitement here01:51
nicksydneyjust had an idea which making sandwich to buy a used old sandwich press for baking pcb 03:15
nicksydneymuch easier and cheaper no ?03:15
nicksydneysomething like this http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/hornsby/small-appliances/breville-sandwich-press/104626984203:18
nicksydneywpwrak: http://www.eeweb.com/freedomcontest10:02
wpwraksuuuure .... "design with [...] online tools". bondage meets idiots ?10:46
DocScrutinizer05hehe10:49
larsc_free_ online tools10:54
paul_boddieThey could have at least checked the "more information" link to Digi-Key. Not a great advert for a product when you get a 404. :-)11:17
paul_boddieAnd Freescale excludes Quebecois and Puerto Ricans: are they trying to reproduce the same kind of controversy that the penultimate Seinfeld episode generated?11:21
paul_boddienicksydney: Is that a new business model: go and get a panini and have the shop bake your PCB at the same time? :-)11:23
nicksydneypaul_boddie: nice idea but will not work :)11:23
paul_boddieGiven that a shop near where I live turned from being an Indian take-away to a mobile repair shop, don't underestimate the diversification potential of the average food vendor!11:25
nicksydneydon't know whether this is true or rumor only --- (Rockchip rumored Intel strategic investments in three layers of meaning) http://info.dianlake.com/tag/rockchip-rumored-intel-strategic-investments-in-three-layers-of-meaning11:28
paul_boddieGreat machine translation from Chinese! Three layers of meaning at the very least. Three layers of truth as well. :-)11:30
paul_boddie"This led rockchip has been unable to login to local capital markets."11:30
paul_boddieThey've changed the password!11:31
nicksydneyhahahahaaha11:32
paul_boddiePerhaps Rockchip has to get a new password sent by e-mail. And fast!11:32
paul_boddienicksydney: Did you have the patience to understand any of it? I guess they mean to say that Intel is sniffing around looking for a cheap way in to ARM markets.11:33
nicksydneypaul_boddie: pretty much that's the summary11:33
paul_boddieAnd the share price? Or is the intent of the article to manipulate it? Anyone wanting to do that would probably need to pay some Wall Street type to write it up in a "respectable" outlet, though.11:35
nicksydneywe will see in few days whether this is a hoax or true11:36
nicksydneywpwrak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCG4daPvuVI (Kicad Interactive Router)11:39
nicksydneywow! the router is awesome !11:45
paul_boddieThey could make a game out of that!11:48
DocScrutinizer05hmm11:55
paul_boddienicksydney: Rockchip doesn't seem to be listed anywhere, so they don't have a "financial cloud" login, maybe only one for a private "military-industrial financial cloud". ;-)11:57
wpwrak(router) pretty neat. and he doesn't even use the grid. one problem is that it depends on opengl, though. that'll be very very slow.12:20
whitequarkhmm?12:23
whitequarkwhy would opengl would be very slow?12:23
wpwrakopengl usually means that you have to use either closed drivers or mesa and mesa is slow12:24
wpwraksupposedly there are now some accelerations possible with the open drivers as well, but i've never seen this in real life12:25
whitequarkwell, living in the past century because there are no open drivers is dumb12:25
wpwraki need to be able to modify my kernels12:25
whitequarkhuh?12:26
whitequarkwhat prevents you from doing this with, say, nvidia?12:26
wpwrakbinary driver = kernel is locked down12:26
whitequarkwhat?12:26
whitequarkI think I'm using a custom kernel with a binary driver right now, here12:27
wpwrakwell, i could go back to whatever kernel they did their driver for. but then i'd be disconnected from current development. so that doens't work either.12:27
wpwrakwell, you're probably not doing linux kernel development.12:27
wpwrakif you're just a user, then you can do such things12:27
whitequarkwpwrak: oh also, you've forgot the intel driver12:28
whitequarkit works well enough for, say, games. it clearly will handle some measly CAD--I mean, it handles a real CAD here12:28
whitequarkand it's fully FOSS12:28
wpwrakyes, intel drivers are great. but my desktop hardware doesn't have intel graphics. didn't exist in that category back then12:28
whitequarkyeah, that can be an issue12:29
paul_boddieHow old is your desktop hardware? Even my almost ten-year-old desktop has Intel 3D-capable graphics support.12:29
wpwraki could use my netbook, but i doubt this would speed things up ;)12:29
wpwrakpaul_boddie: should be around 6 years. it's a Q660012:30
wpwrakwith triple-head12:30
paul_boddieMine is the 865 chipset, if I recall correctly. Not great, but certainly not the earliest Intel integrated graphics product, either.12:35
wpwrakdunno what mine has. maybe something like Q3[135] ? i think it has to be a Q-something because of the Q6600.12:40
paul_boddieThe 8xx series are probably the first or second generation. They probably then redid the whole thing in subsequent generations.12:41
paul_boddie865G: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#Pentium_4_chipsets12:45
wpwrakmine may be an Asus P5K, P35 chipset. http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5K/specifications/12:46
paul_boddieAh, second generation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Extreme_Graphics#Second_generation12:46
whitequarkthey changed it twice just between Westmere and Ivy Bridge12:48
whitequarkand then once again for Haswell12:49
wpwrakhmm, my rv610 should in theory have acceleration support12:51
wpwrakthe G72 (nv46) so-so12:55
wpwrakhmm, glxinfo says Yes/No/... then segfaults12:59
wpwrakfunny. glxgears is smooth on the nouveau, at 30 fps (it says). it's bumpy on the radeon, at a stunning 68 fps. gotta love them benchmarks :)13:02
whitequarkglxgears is not a benchmark13:04
whitequarkglxspheres is more like it (still bad though)13:04
wpwrakhmm, ubuntu doesn't even know that one13:07
whitequarkmesa-utils13:38
wpwraki have mesa-utils. must be something very new or optional then13:55
whitequarkhm13:55
wpwrakupgrading now .. let's see what happens13:56
whitequarkoh, apparently it's from virtualgl13:56
whitequarkand in mesa-utils in post-13.1013:56
DocScrutinizer05excuse my ignorance, but don't all manufacturers provide their closed driver blobs in an open wrapper now that compiles fine with whatever kernel you want to build it for?14:57
DocScrutinizer05or has this successfully been defeated by the insane GPL3 and associated effort who tried to force those closed drivers to be a GPL violation?14:59
wpwrakeven that would yield a patchfest, since that wrapper obviously couldn't be part of the vanilla kernel15:04
wpwrakand the closed drivers have more problems, e.g., that your hardware may suddenly become unsupported15:05
wpwrakand they you're stuck as well. they seem to be pretty bad in that regard, apparently operating as if this was windows15:05
rohwpwrak: its not bumpy at 68fps, its not framesynced, thus looks bumpy when interferrence hits15:11
wpwrakhmm. not sure if that's what's happening. it looks as if the wheels would simply turn very slowly. this doesn't look like bad sync. well, unless bad sync means that many intermediate frames are lost without trace.15:13
rohonly really new nv and ati cards need binaries besides the embedded cruft. the rest of the gpus has foss drivers. (intel, all ati/nv older than 2 years)15:13
wpwrakyeah, all mine are pretty old :)15:14
rohnvidia recently removed their kernel component from their closed driver, replacing it with the foss one (drm/dri stuff)15:14
rohjup. dont worry.. anybody but gamers can have foss drivers now.15:14
roheven bunnie gets some ;)15:14
wpwrakwell, let's see if ububtu 14.04 handles this any better than 13.10 ...15:16
wpwrakhmm, first boot after upgrade: triple-head is gone :-(18:39
wpwrakthe glxgears turn fast, though :)18:40
LumocolorDocScrutinizer05: what do you mean " successfully been defeated by the insane GPL3", doesn't sound like my memory of the gpl318:42
wpwraklet's see if i can get some more heads back ....18:42
wpwrakhmm, mixed impressions with the new kicad: eeschema got slower. changing the rendering method in pcbnew also changes a number of things in the user interface, not only the router19:49
wpwrakfor example, middle-click to center is replaced with middle-drag to pan19:49
whitequarkwpwrak: nvidia is pretty great at supporting really old cards20:12
whitequarkI mean, they still have their "old" driver (167.xx or someshit like that... the versioning scheme makes no sense) and it's *still* updated20:12
whitequarkyou could probably make it work with Riva TNT2, and it was already obsolete when I went to high school20:12
whitequarkon 3.xx kerels20:12
whitequarkkernels*20:12
whitequarkthere's quite a few things wrong with closed-source drivers, but your criticism so far is entirely misplaced20:13
wpwrakwell, let's home nouveau reaches such standards, too :) for now, Gl just hangs on the nv (where it apparently worked before). but it now works on the ATI, where it didn't.20:13
whitequarkhave you even tried closed-source nvidia driver?20:14
wpwrakof course not20:14
whitequarkthen do20:15
wpwraknaw. closed = i'll pass20:15
whitequarkdo you still use closed-source BIOS, though?20:16
whitequark... which has an SMM component, which runs alongside linux, you know?20:17
Action: whitequark waits for wpwrak to disappear in a puff of logic20:17
wpwraknot sure if the critter actually "runs" alongside in the proper sense. it know that some hardware can do things at a level below the OS, though.20:21
larscit can even filter your IP packets20:21
larscand it has a built-in webserver20:24
wpwraknot sure if my P35 already has all that20:29
whitequarkhere's the SMRAM dump for P35: http://dreamlayers.blogspot.ca/2012/10/dumping-smram.html20:37
DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93197  if you're interested (particularly update#2)20:37
whitequark"I run several projects in parallel" would bother me a bit (if I didn't already mentally write off the money as lost.)20:39
DocScrutinizer052014-05-15, 19:39  till  Today, 19:30  -  not too bad20:39
whitequarkI mean, neo900 alone is quite complex enough...20:40
DocScrutinizer05well, I don't know of *anybody* who doesn't "run several projects in parallel"20:40
whitequarkwell, it depends on what do you mean by "run a project"20:41
whitequarkbut if it causes updates to be rare, that's worrying20:41
DocScrutinizer05who said that?20:41
DocScrutinizer05Nik never been supposed to publish any updates20:42
whitequarkoh, I misread your message20:42
whitequarknevermind what I said20:42
DocScrutinizer05now we need to secure that Nik doesn't feel uncertain about what to do in the project. Thus we need an agreement about which tasks GDC wants to accept and which conditions apply to that20:47
DocScrutinizer05since I have no particular requirements to that, I don't think this could cause any problems20:47
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: hm, have you ever heard of anyone getting a self-employment visa (selbstständigen Erwerbstätigkeit, apparently)?20:48
whitequarkI wonder how much pain is that20:48
DocScrutinizer05ouch20:48
DocScrutinizer05sounds horror20:48
whitequarkthey have a "checklist", here: http://www.germania.diplo.de/contentblob/4209802/Daten/4163655/selbstaendigeerwerbstaetigkeitcheckliste.pdf20:48
DocScrutinizer05you most likely need an invitation of a company, or somesuch20:49
whitequarkit doesn't *appear* to be too bad, but there's probably a bureaucratic behemoth lying beside20:49
whitequarkhm, no, from what I gather, I need to present a business plan and prove that I have financing20:49
whitequarkif it truly boils down to that, it's about what I'd expect20:49
DocScrutinizer05oh yeah!  >>  Strukturierte und detaillierte Beschreibung der Ge schäftsidee<<   and >> Finanzierungsplan/Nachweis Finanzierung<<20:51
DocScrutinizer05I know that shit, guess why!20:51
whitequarkthe basic idea is that I'd call myself a "consultant" and do the same thing I usually do20:51
whitequarkI see like 1000 reasons why that could not work, but still worth a try20:52
DocScrutinizer05you need contracts to show that will already bring you money from beginning20:52
whitequarksure.20:52
DocScrutinizer05then no problem20:52
DocScrutinizer05basically identical with an invitation20:52
whitequarkbecause even considering the level of bureaucracy I'll encounter (over 9000), I highly prefer this to being basically a slave to some big foreign (US, most likely) company, that is nice enough to employ me while it's profitable20:53
DocScrutinizer05show off your contract with SAP as consultant, starting June 2014, and off you go. Welcome to Germany20:53
whitequark*nod*20:53
whitequarkmost of my friends who currently work from aboard are doing visa runs regularly. I can't even comprehend how one would (or would want) to live like that20:54
whitequarkyou have no rights, you're basically a criminal. wtf.20:55
DocScrutinizer05actually consultant makes your finace plan simple, just add a bank account printout that proves you can pay for your flat and food for at least 3 months20:55
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: even better!20:55
whitequarkthanks for explaining20:56
DocScrutinizer05np20:56
DocScrutinizer05however I strongly recommend searching for help and advice from an experienced entity, some german lawyer or whatever20:57
whitequarkof course20:57
DocScrutinizer05such stuff is terribly tricky, and usually you got no second try20:57
whitequarkbut it's great to know that it's viable in general20:57
whitequark*nod*20:57
DocScrutinizer05we have a "green card initative" running since some years, which searches to make foreign highly qualified workers migrate to Germany20:58
DocScrutinizer05it's flawed since it doesn't guarantee how long you may stay, and a few other aspects as well20:59
whitequarkblue card, right20:59
whitequarkI think it requires a diploma, and I don't have one20:59
DocScrutinizer05dunno, afaik it usually works by invitation from a company who plans to employ you21:00
DocScrutinizer05a contract as freelancer is just as good I guess21:00
whitequarkhmm21:00
DocScrutinizer05actually better prolly21:00
whitequarkgood thing to consider21:00
whitequarkbut... Conditions for application21:01
whitequarkA German university degree, a foreign university degree which is accepted or a foreign university degree that is similar to a German one.21:01
whitequarklike I said, diploma21:01
whitequarkin addition to a contract21:01
DocScrutinizer05I guess that has to be incorrect21:01
whitequarkinfo from bluecard-eu.de? http://www.bluecard-eu.de/eu-blue-card-germany/application.html21:02
DocScrutinizer05I seem to remember a certain minimum annual salary21:02
whitequarkhm, maybe that is some phishing site or someshit? "© Verein Für soziales Leben e.V."21:02
DocScrutinizer05get advice of somebody who knows trhat shit!21:02
whitequarklooks fishy21:02
whitequarkyeah, I will21:02
DocScrutinizer05http://www.bpb.de/gesellschaft/migration/kurzdossiers/57439/die-deutsche-green-card  https://www.bpb.de/gesellschaft/migration/58174/the-german-green-card21:04
DocScrutinizer05bpb is "official"21:04
whitequarkum... discontinued in 2004?21:04
Action: whitequark is confused now21:04
DocScrutinizer05>>Das Sofortprogramm zur Deckung des IT-Fachkräftebedarfs lief Ende 2004 aus und wurde durch ein neues Zuwanderungsgesetz ersetzt, das es IT-Fachkräften weiterhin privilegiert ermöglichte, nach Deutschland einzuwandern.<< http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greencard_(Deutschland)21:07
DocScrutinizer05>>Mit der Einführung des Zuwanderungsgesetzes wurde die Greencard-Regelung in die Beschäftigungsverordnung aufgenommen, so dass die gesonderte "Greencard-Verordnung" überflüssig wurde. Seitdem besteht die Möglichkeit, IT-Fachkräfte bei Bedarf im Ausland anzuwerben, ohne dass eine zahlenmäßige Begrenzung von Kontingenten besteht. Allerdings muss die Beschäftigung zu branchenüblichen Gehältern im Rahmen eines in Deutschland 21:08
DocScrutinizer05sozialversicherungspflichtigen Arbeitsverhältnisses erfolgen<<21:08
DocScrutinizer05in short: companies can hire foreign IT employees, when they pay the usual salary21:10
whitequarkyup, I gathered as much21:11
DocScrutinizer05so a contract as freelancer consultant is even better, since you wouldn't acquire any rights to receive social welfare when they fire you21:12
whitequarkoh! I see21:12
DocScrutinizer05just *without* any such contract, you're on class worse than all the poor self-employed unemployed people here who hope for welfare to support their newly started business. No chance21:13
whitequarkhm, I actually know a guy from DE who is a freelancer consultant21:14
whitequarkjust realized21:14
DocScrutinizer05usually a company offering such contract to xou will also be willing to do all the "immigration" hassle for you21:14
whitequarkI'm still thinking whether I could stick to the same company I'm currently working for21:15
DocScrutinizer05and a SAP or acme-corp GmbH that goes to Immigration Office and asks for a stamp to your papers has no problems to get such stamp21:16
DocScrutinizer05as long as such acme-corp is a german company21:16
whitequarkthe difference in typical salary in RU and DE is what'll probably kill that idea, though21:16
DocScrutinizer05an RU company can't ask for a visa for germany on your behalf21:17
whitequarkexactly21:17
whitequarkso if I want that, I'll have to figure it out myself21:17
DocScrutinizer05unless they have a german branch21:17
DocScrutinizer05or they have a contract with some german enterprise that requires them to send you as their executive to do the job21:18
whitequarkhmmm21:18
wpwrak(refund going directly to neo900 ugh) excellent !21:18
DocScrutinizer05ugh21:19
whitequarkthat latter thing may actually be feasible, I'll have to ask21:19
whitequarkthanks again! very useful info21:19
DocScrutinizer05yw, looking forward to meet you here21:19
whitequarksame :)21:19
DocScrutinizer05already met your co-citizen Paul Fertser21:20
whitequarkwe'll probably meet earlier, I hope I'll get to ESHM this year21:20
whitequarkfairly certain I will21:20
DocScrutinizer05seems for him the visa was less of a problem than the import of a N900 to Russia21:21
whitequarkwell, visa didn't require him to talk with RU officials...21:21
DocScrutinizer05right :-)21:22
DocScrutinizer05you might nevertheless want to meet him for a beer and a chat about his experience with visa and all21:23
DocScrutinizer05I know, moscow is laaaarge21:23
whitequarkwas it a long-stay visa? or just a regular short-stay one?21:23
DocScrutinizer05short21:23
whitequarkI don't think I'll have any problems getting a short-stay one, the process is straightforward21:23
DocScrutinizer05where short also was 6 months iirc21:24
whitequarkgive a bank statement, hotel name, get visa back21:24
DocScrutinizer05:nod:21:24
DocScrutinizer05however he had to prove he's no prostitute, I guess  X-P21:24
whitequarkreally? O_o21:25
whitequarkthat's some oddly specific thing to verify21:25
DocScrutinizer05just kidding21:25
DocScrutinizer05but that been a concern of Visa office back when21:25
DocScrutinizer05(and prolly still is)21:25
DocScrutinizer05I guess for this reason he needed an invitation from german bailsman21:27
DocScrutinizer05can't recall details, it's 4 or 5 years back21:28
DocScrutinizer05just give him a ping21:29
DocScrutinizer05might be worth it21:29
whitequarkcould you PM his email?21:29
whitequarkactually nevermind, just googled it21:30
DocScrutinizer05[2014-05-21 Wed 23:30:04] [Whois] PaulFertser is paul@paulfertser.info (Paul Fertser)21:30
DocScrutinizer05#openmoko-cdevel21:30
Action: whitequark zzz. 1:32AM here and he got up early21:32
DocScrutinizer05[2014-05-21 Wed 23:30:04] [Whois] PaulFertser is a user on channels: #openmoko #openmoko-cdevel21:32
DocScrutinizer05yeah, he has a job that requires getting up early, it seems21:33
whitequarkno, I mean, I got up early21:33
Action: whitequark writes /me-tells in 3rd person, since it's grammatically correct21:34
DocScrutinizer05well, then the both of you have 2 things in common already21:34
DocScrutinizer05he's also "away"21:35
DocScrutinizer05[2014-05-21 Wed 23:30:05] [Away] PaulFertser is away: afk21:35
DocScrutinizer05a /query can't hurt21:35
DocScrutinizer05irc isn't realtime21:35
DocScrutinizer05hey, I just thought: maybe it's most easy procedure to come here with a short-time visa, get a job, and then ask for long-time visa here21:38
DocScrutinizer05unless short-time forbits work21:38
DocScrutinizer05forbids*21:38
DocScrutinizer05then it would be the most silly thing to do21:38
whitequarktourist visa does.21:40
whitequarkthat'd be a really bad idea :)21:40
whitequarkyou can do that with a student's visa, you have 18 months to find a job after getting a diploma21:40
whitequarkthat's actually a plan as well, though it requiers way more time21:41
wpwrakstudent visa would also be a way to finally get that diploma that opens so many doors22:09
wpwrakwell, a step towards it :)22:10
DocScrutinizer05fsck diploma22:15
DocScrutinizer05Jeff Simmons tries to corrupt Napoleon Murphy Brock by showing him a lewd dance and suggesting that he'd smoke a high-school diploma . . .22:16
DocScrutinizer05The evil dope pusher is cutting up a white gym sock, formerly owned by Carl Zappa and still damp. The shredded sock will be placed inside of a high-school diploma And ignited with a sulphur preparation . . .22:17
DocScrutinizer05 Now the next step of this operation22:18
DocScrutinizer05The evil corrupter of youth is going to take him from Step One, which is a mere high-school diploma stuffed with a gym sock, to Step Two, which is a college-degree stuffed with absolutely nothing at all. Smoke that and it'll really get you out there!22:18
DocScrutinizer05>>I still don't feel as good as I felt this mornin' . . .<<22:19
DocScrutinizer05No no, the college-degree is stuffed with absolutely nothing at all, you get . . . you get nothing with your college-degree . . .22:20
DocScrutinizer05A true Zen saying: Nothing is what I want . . . The results of a higher education!22:21
wpwrakDocScrutinizer05: well, it's something on the checklist for visas. not having one makes this sort of thing more difficult. besides, a bit of formal education has its benefits - you learn a more structured approach to problem-solving.22:31
DocScrutinizer05http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3FlMRT0qnZI#t=49022:41
DocScrutinizer05>>you learn a more structured approach to problem-solving.<< sorry, proven flase every day22:42
DocScrutinizer05false even22:42
wpwraki've seen good people without formal education make very typical mistakes that good people with formal education don't make22:42
wpwrakof course, formal education doesn't mean that you're good. but if you have what it takes, it's an improvement22:43
DocScrutinizer05I've seen so many CS students doing voluntary month and really knowing no shit about nothing22:48
DocScrutinizer05I think university is a nice serive to simplify learning what you'd learn anyway, with ot without "higher education"22:49
DocScrutinizer05service*22:49
DocScrutinizer05and actually for somebody highly interested in some particular topic it's a waste of time in my book, unless you value the diploma/degree higher than the education22:51
DocScrutinizer05I've not seen a single EE doing a better job after finishing his degree than (s)he did before. Rather the opposite22:53
wpwrakthe trick is to learn something while you're at the university. and yes, there are plenty of people who manage to avoid most of the former while still completing the latter :)22:53
DocScrutinizer05and actually almost same for any CS22:53
wpwrakso i suppose you're in the same boat as whitequark ?22:53
DocScrutinizer05not really, since I *never* regretted not having a "higher edication"22:54
wpwrakah well, that explains it then :)22:54
DocScrutinizer05it been a pretty well calculated decision to _not_ do that nonsense and rather start _learning_ something22:55
DocScrutinizer05I occasionally studied the books and whatnot of my best friend back when who decided differently22:56
DocScrutinizer05and yes, I lack some familiarity with some particular methods that I probably had to make familiar with at university22:57
DocScrutinizer05But I learned sth you usually don't learn at university: know where to look for stuff22:57
dos1wpwrak: asking on TMO when you have 2/3 of the team here? suspicious! ;)23:01
DocScrutinizer05hah, dos1 been faster than me again23:01
DocScrutinizer05nah, ok23:01
DocScrutinizer05pretty fine asking on tmo, se we have a chance to clarify23:01
DocScrutinizer05so*23:02
wpwrakexactly my thought :)23:02
Action: DocScrutinizer05 tunes his email polling frequency from 5 to 1 minute23:02
DocScrutinizer05;-P23:02
wpwrakdos1: thanks ! :) that was basically my question - Q: what am i expected to do ? A: wait. :)23:05
DocScrutinizer05and welcome to TrollsMoronsOxes ;)23:05
DocScrutinizer05aka tmo23:06
DocScrutinizer05allegedly the worst forum by far (though others say heise forum is the worst)23:07
DocScrutinizer05wpwrak: interested in production QA software for Neo900?23:15
wpwrak(worst forum) yes,having these shitty captchas all the time is rather annoying23:23
wpwrak(qa sw) looking for volunteers or offering a job ? :)23:24
wpwrakneat. chromium has an "undo" for closing tabs. someone understands the human condition :)23:28
nicksydneyIs It A Bird? Is It A Plane? No It's A Russian ICBM.. Over Iran? - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-21/it-bird-it-plane-no-its-russian-icbm-over-iran .. huh ?23:29
DocScrutinizer05(volunteer or job offer) to get negotiated23:29
DocScrutinizer05nicksydney: those google translations from japanese make me sick23:31
wpwraknicksydney: given the source, it's probably photoshop :)23:31
nicksydneyDocScrutinizer05: that's why it's better to draw your own conclusion and the translation makes you woozy :)23:31
DocScrutinizer05zerohedge seems a pretty non-trustworthy and low-effort site23:32
nicksydneywpwrak: nah they must be using GIMP :)23:32
wpwrakDocScrutinizer05: (negotiated) given that anelok doesn't seem to go anywhere and i'm eyeing my finances with increasing concern, it could indeed be interesting if it puts some money into my pocket ... :)23:34
wpwraknicksydney: the tendency is that the less you care the more you use the "standard" set of tools of the windows ecosystem23:35
DocScrutinizer05right now we don't have much money to offer, but we can discuss this part as well as the specification of task. Welcome on board already23:35
nicksydneywpwrak: go crowdsourcing you will nail it for sure :)23:36
wpwrakhehe, thanks :)23:36
nicksydneywpwrak: like it or not i still have VM running WIndows 7 just in case :)23:36
wpwraknicksydney: crowdsourcing requires a running prototype. or a framework in which "miniinvestment" can be handled. i have neither.23:37
nicksydneyso does this mean that wpwrak is now 'officially' working on Neo900 ? :)23:37
wpwraktbd, i guess23:37
nicksydneyyipppeee ! ... let's open some tequilla :)23:37
DocScrutinizer05when he agrees, then yes. At least on a yet undifined volume of "working on"23:38
dos1*reading backlog* hey, should I include something more in the progress update I'm finishing right now? :D23:40
DocScrutinizer05why not? ask werber if he agrees and what that "something2 should look like23:40
DocScrutinizer05werner23:41
DocScrutinizer05sorry23:41
nicksydneywerner = gerber ? :)23:41
nicksydneyhehehe23:41
wpwraknot so fast :)23:43
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