#qi-hardware IRC log for Thursday, 2014-04-17

whitequarklol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0s3v-M-ELg00:30
wpwrakhmm, the ideal pet - siren and tripwire in one :)01:51
whitequarkhow is that even possible? that can't be Euclidean geometry02:20
wpwrakonce squid was cool. then the next internet fad was ponies. now hedgehogs ?02:20
wpwrakthe boat is cool, though02:24
DocScrutinizer05nice to scare away annoying visitors03:50
wpwraka fun experiment would be to breed animals for intelligence. e.g., have a certain population of them, take sperm/egg samples, sterilize them, then train them and rank them by the results. then use genes of the best for the next generation. and so on. ideally, implant the fertilized eggs into the biological mother, so any social learning component can also be propagated.04:01
DocScrutinizer05hey, you watched the results ;-)04:22
DocScrutinizer05btw somebody did that with bacteria (fast generations) until the bacteria communicated to him by writing letters to him with their bodies on the substrate. Or was that only a SF I've been reading ;-)04:33
whitequarkbacterial quorum sensing is a pretty powerful thing04:34
DocScrutinizer05you might ask how the bacteria learned written language. I think they had paranormal powers, and the letters they wrote were about prophecies04:35
whitequarkthose cats are seriously derpy04:36
DocScrutinizer05the terminator cat is scary04:37
DocScrutinizer05dunno why since cats are proverbially notorious for their glowing eyes04:39
DocScrutinizer05brolly red glowing is just a tad unusual04:39
whitequarkwell, green glowing eyes are no less scary04:41
wpwrakthe really scare kind of glow is blue12:17
wpwrakyup :)12:23
DocScrutinizer05I had to learn that what I thought was cherenkov blue in water reactors is actually sth else (iirc)13:29
DocScrutinizer05maybe I double-compensated again. Can't find any records in my wetware archive where this info came from and what was the "alternative"13:33
DocScrutinizer05maybe once I thought it was something else and then learned it is tscherenkow ?13:34
DocScrutinizer05damn alzheimer13:34
wpwrakin russia, you learn cherenkov in kindergarden :)13:35
DocScrutinizer05should've used proper fans or exhausts when soldering during my teen times. Pb atoms in the brain create instable memory molecules13:35
wpwrakblame it on quantum metaphysics :)13:36
DocScrutinizer05I blame it on inverse tscherenkow in metamaterials13:36
DocScrutinizer05inverse doppler, wtf?13:36
whitequarkdoes Pb even fly in the air while soldering?13:37
whitequarkI mean, it is not exactly easy to vaporize13:37
DocScrutinizer05seems like metamaterials have negative speed13:37
whitequarkoooooh wait, DocScrutinizer05 prefers "explosive" soldering methods. then definitely13:37
DocScrutinizer05whitequark: nfc13:37
DocScrutinizer05hahaha :-D13:38
DocScrutinizer05I think solder fumes are pretty toxic13:38
wpwrakmore likely, it's all the good flux fumes13:38
DocScrutinizer05hos's flux (usually resin) going to be extremely toxic?13:39
DocScrutinizer05rosin even13:39
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: well, there are no solder fumes13:39
wpwrakwhile everyone if worrying about the heavy metal, let's have some fun with the really nasty side of chemistry :)13:39
whitequarkthe t° of vaporization is so much higher it's not even funny13:39
whitequarkflux however... see, in solid form it's mostly harmless. when you heat it, it recombines into all kinds of weird shit13:39
whitequarkand chances are that half of it is carcinogenic13:40
DocScrutinizer05meh, nfc13:40
wpwrakDocScrutinizer05: "resin" describes large-scale properties. you can still pour any carcinogenic on your lists into it and it still counts as a "resin"13:40
whitequarkRMA is "rosin"13:40
whitequarknot "resin"13:40
whitequark"rosin" is pine juice13:41
wpwrakmarketing name :)13:41
whitequarkwell, at least here when you buy rosin, it's 100% natural "green" technology13:41
DocScrutinizer05I could easily think of some Pb atoms getting transported away together with the resin vapors, but honestly... I just know solder fumes are considered *extremely* dangerous and thus in industry manual soldering without proper protective measures is forbidden13:41
whitequarkI'm frightened to think about when the soldering fat comes13:41
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: yes, that's the rosin incomplete combustion products13:41
whitequarkI mean, when you smoke, it's more or less the same shit13:42
whitequarkexcept I guess the industry doesn't directly profit from workers inhaling that or something13:42
wpwrakhigh time to change that biz model13:43
wpwrakhow about big pharma getting into electronic production ?13:43
wpwrakwork five years in the fab, live on - government-paid - retosneezol for the rest of your pitiful life13:45
DocScrutinizer05wtf is retosneezol?13:48
DocScrutinizer05sounds like a remedy against flu13:48
DocScrutinizer05(I did a lot of idiotic things when I was young, like sleeping in a pile of glass whool, playing with mercury in my hand, carrying around small qty of uranium, soldering a lot without proper ventilation, .. aso)13:50
DocScrutinizer05.s/idiotic/idiotic hazardous/13:51
DocScrutinizer05not to even start mentioning my chemical experiments13:52
whitequarkmmm, mercury13:53
DocScrutinizer05the amount of glycerine trinitrate I flushed down the toilet since I considered it another failure because a drop falling from first floor to the pavement didn't explode... LOL13:53
DocScrutinizer05well, I been 13 or 1413:54
DocScrutinizer05not really smart (maybe I'm not smart today)13:54
DocScrutinizer05must've been a total that would've sufficed to blast away that small house13:57
DocScrutinizer05and then all the "guns" I built ;-P For "ammunition" like crackers with arbitrary stuff to fire through that 1/2" 1m water pipe14:00
DocScrutinizer05with steel balls from bearings you easily could shoot a big hole into a wall with that thing14:00
DocScrutinizer05shooting with putty had funny effects14:01
DocScrutinizer05oh yeah, and those: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogelschreck - they been available with a bit of social engineering back when, and that Al + KClO4 gunpower ( http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitzknallsatz#Blitzknallsatz ) in them was really good stuff, I more then once created really amazing explosions with it14:10
DocScrutinizer05easily made 1/2" water pipes burst14:11
DocScrutinizer05YAY! http://www.feuerwerksparadies.de/Aluminiumpulver-German-Dark-1000g \o/ :-D14:17
DocScrutinizer05http://www.feuerwerksparadies.de/epages/62081559.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/62081559/Categories/Metallpulver  truly a paradise for pyrotechnicians14:19
DocScrutinizer05wow! >>Dieses Magnesiumpulver darf aufgrund bestehender Ausfuhrbestimmungen (außer Schweiz) nicht aus der EU ausgeführt werden<< http://www.feuerwerksparadies.de/epages/62081559.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/62081559/Categories/Metallpulver/%22Magnesiumpulver%20Special%20Pyro%E2%84%A2%2214:23
DocScrutinizer05>>Frei ab 18 Jahren<< :-D14:23
DocScrutinizer05I just wonder where the average pyrotechnician gets his oxidizers14:56
DocScrutinizer05feuerwerksparadies.de doesn't sell any, which is a bit strange14:57
DocScrutinizer05hmmm, seems NaClO3 is "available", and it seems easy enough to create KClO3 from that and KCl17:02
DocScrutinizer05while synthesizing KClO3 via electrolysis from KCl is a PITA17:03
DocScrutinizer05on another similarly OT topic: Putin threats Ukraine to send military troops to protect "russian population". What an idiot! I think USA should send troops to Moskow to protect american prpulation17:08
DocScrutinizer05when the "russian population" doesn't feel safe in Ukraine, then they goddamn shall move their ass out of that country and go to Russia where they belong17:10
DocScrutinizer05nobody will stop them17:10
wpwrakif you think someone should go to war against putin for what he's doing there, the world ought to have gone many times over to war against the US for the things they have done17:11
wpwrakbut i see than mainstream media propaganda is not wasted :)17:11
DocScrutinizer05and what makes you think that?17:12
DocScrutinizer05do you call a translation of a Putin quote in TV propaganda?17:12
wpwrakisn't what you're writing here pretty much the cold war propaganda mainstream media in .de are preaching ?17:13
DocScrutinizer05no, not at all17:13
DocScrutinizer05I'm actually missing any such rationale in TV17:13
wpwrakah, so they skip the "why" and move directly to the "how". i see17:14
DocScrutinizer05I think you love shorthand conclusions that are based on your own assumptions17:14
wpwrakwell, you said they don't give rationale. just play on old fears / stereotypes17:15
DocScrutinizer05no, I didn't say that17:15
DocScrutinizer05YOU say that17:15
wpwrakso they give different rationale ?17:15
DocScrutinizer05I said they translated a text Putin spoke into camera17:15
wpwrakso they're siding with putin ? now i'm confused :)17:16
DocScrutinizer05and I'm pretty sure you know about e.g. tagesschau.de mediacenter, to watch for yourself what they actually tell17:16
DocScrutinizer05I'm not denying you might be confused, but nevertheless I'm pretty sure yiu simply try starting an argument for the joy of arguing17:17
wpwraki just read the comments on telepolis. and there it sounded as if .de mainstream media was against russia17:18
DocScrutinizer05when I'm against Putin and what he does and says, then I don't need telepolis or TV for that, I just listen to what he's saying and watch what he's doing17:19
DocScrutinizer05and a statement like "we might send regular troops to foreign country X to protect our own citizens' population there" is a statement that I frown upon, no matter who's saying it and where and what X might be17:22
DocScrutinizer05first send 500 "civilians" then send troops to protect those, then send more troops to protect the first troops17:23
DocScrutinizer05makes a lot of sense, no?17:23
wpwrakoh course, with that argument, pretty much any country can "send troops" pretty much anywhere17:24
wpwrakso i'm waiting for the austrian navy's arrival to protect me against street crime ;-)17:24
DocScrutinizer05I say "go the fuck off and out of this country X, then you don't need troops to protect you from whatever percieved threat you might face here. After all nobody asked you to come here"17:24
wpwrakyes, exactly :)17:24
wpwrakof course, those russians probably have been living there for a long time, so ...17:25
wpwrakand remember when the US sent their helicopters to teheran. little good that it did them, though ...17:26
DocScrutinizer05no, unlike Krim they don't "live there" in eastern Ukraine17:26
DocScrutinizer05and aiui even in Krim they "lived there2 since 19xx only, after they deported the true local population: the Krim tartars17:27
wpwrakah yes, that may be the case (non-krim)17:27
wpwraki see the further engagenment basically as an extension of the krim conflict since ukraine won't shut up17:28
wpwraknot sure what internal tensions they may have there, too. it does seem that it's not nearly as uniform as it may seem from the outside.17:31
DocScrutinizer05btw it's totally irrelevant how long somebody "lives there". Either he got a alien passport then he has no entitlement to ask for troops from his own nation to pester the nation he's living in. Or he is a citizen of the nation he's living in then he has no entitlement (and no reason) to ask alien troops to come and protect him just because he doesn't like the president of his own country. The less he has a right to grap a 17:57
DocScrutinizer05kalashnikov and a dozen grenades and raid the next airport or police station or military base to emphasize his claims17:57
DocScrutinizer05just to cry and whine "look! they done me wrong! those bastards" when the soldiers of the miltary base shoot back at him when he tries to climb the fence, after throwing those grenades and shooting at the barracks18:00
DocScrutinizer05oh, btw Putin first time admits there were actually russian troops involved in the Krim separation. Oh really, Mr Putin? REALLY NOW? dang! hadn't thought that!18:08
DocScrutinizer05so what were all those statements "we have no soldiers on Krim involved in the whole riot there"? You didn't know what you're telling, a few days ago? or you simply blatantly lied to the world?18:10
DocScrutinizer05when USa lost all their (little bit) of reputation with the Iraq war, then Russia does now, with Ukraine18:13
wpwraki'd say that the US lost a lot of credibility with their 2nd iraq war and the continuation to afghanistan. well, my point of view may also have shifted because i move from .eu to .ar at that time, and got a better look at what colonial forces (including the US) had been doing around here, but i'm quite unconcerned about what russia may be doing these days but treat anything the us are up to with utmost suspicion18:20
DocScrutinizer05the USA with their satanic "remote-kill rather than prosecute" policy don't justify what Putin is after right now18:23
wpwraki'm just explaining my perception priorities. as long as putin stays away from the nukes, keeps his fingers off "western" or chinese interests, and doesn't start too much of a bloodbath, i don't care much.18:27
wpwrakand i instantly distrust any warmongerers in the west who see this as an opportunity18:28
whitequarkfascinating. the founder of "russian facebook" decided to leave and send his shares rather than surrender ukrainians' data to russian government: https://vk.com/feed?w=wall1_4562118:36
wpwrakneat. he and the founder of lavabit should get together and settle on sealand,  perhaps soon last remaining land of the free and un-spied-upon18:38
DocScrutinizer05you'll notice sooner than you thought that Putin already starts to mess with "western interests"18:47
DocScrutinizer05started* actually18:48
wpwraki mean as in "attack" or "invade". and yes, i worded that poorly. let's say "established western interests". otherwise, the whole world would be off-limits ...18:50
DocScrutinizer05gasprom recently bought vital parts of the EU-borne gas infra, including several emergency stores that should make sure an independence of several months from Russian gas delivery18:50
wpwrakhow kind of you guys to let him have that ;-)18:51
DocScrutinizer05and iirc the massive DDoS to * in Lituana(?) a few years ago been traced-back to Russia18:53
whitequarklol, that doesn't say anything at all18:53
DocScrutinizer05not really18:54
whitequarkthere are probably a dozen DDoS attacks daily traced back to Russia.18:54
DocScrutinizer05that's the "nice part2 about DDoS and cyberwar at large18:54
DocScrutinizer05there's probably no DDoS that gets down a whole country, except that one I mentioned18:55
DocScrutinizer05anyway, Ukraine forbid russian males 16-60 y o to enter18:56
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: I'm sure you could use one of those NTP amplification attacks to get down a small country18:57
whitequarkI mean, there are countries where the only uplink is a 2Mbps satellite link :p18:57
DocScrutinizer05do a reality check! Lituana is better at IT than e.g. Germany18:58
DocScrutinizer05Estonia, sorry19:01
DocScrutinizer05a rather good one I think, though it's of course up to you to filter it according to what you believe might be the bias in this article:  http://mashable.com/2014/04/14/russia-ukraine-cyber-warfare/19:49
whitequarkoh, I'm sure putin would use any means he would think of as necessary19:53
whitequarkif I doubt something, it's their IT competency, not potential for malice19:54
Action: whitequark cringes at http://www.newsweek.com/why-ukraine-hasnt-sparked-big-cyber-war-so-far-23217519:56
whitequarkit uses the prefix "cyber-" 39 times19:56
whitequarkwhoever wrote that must be beat with a ruler over their fingers until enlightenment19:56
DocScrutinizer05LOL! http://mashable.com/2014/04/17/snowden-putin-surveillance/19:57
whitequarkthe article is factually incorrect19:58
Action: DocScrutinizer05 heads off to find the right Zappa record to listen to in this mood19:58
whitequarkSORM is, for all we know about it, only able to perform selective interception of mobile phone calls and SMS19:58
whitequarkit has no business whatsoever in ISPs, except *perhaps* mobile ISPs, but still more likely not19:59
DocScrutinizer05:nod: that's how I read the article's description of its technical implementation19:59
whitequark>direct access to Internet servers19:59
whitequarkno such thing19:59
whitequarkactually, I'm not strictly against SORM. there are probably cases where you really do need to do wiretapping20:00
whitequarkanother data to give you an idea about its capabilities: SORM must be installed by telco on their own money20:00
DocScrutinizer05I'm actually not interested a lot in SORM, it's the performance of Putin and snowden that makes me laugh20:01
whitequarkobviously telcos aren't going to spend billions on petabyte datacenters, they simply are unable to20:01
DocScrutinizer05I'm pretty aware of what SORM might be, given you're prolly using SIEMENS exxchanges, with german standard lawful interception interface20:02
whitequarkha, actually there is a SORM-3 proposal which is not unlike what US does20:03
DocScrutinizer05the more snowden is acting pathetic20:07
whitequarkwell, the factual statement that the russian state is acting less evil than us state in some cases is bound to stir stuff up20:08
whitequarkmaybe that's the idea20:08
DocScrutinizer05but he wouldn't want to disclose details on russian surveillance now just like he did for US surveillance, since then where the heck would he move *then*?20:08
wpwraki suppose the visa extension comes with some strings attached. having to ask a question putin can safely answer would be a relatively innocent such string.20:08
whitequarkcan't really blame him20:10
whitequarkthe guy's going to be a figurehead-non-grata for the rest of his life. not exactly something to env20:10
DocScrutinizer05what been his #1 choice of country to ask for asylum? Norway?20:12
wpwrakwell, still lots better than the military torture-jail they put manning in20:12
DocScrutinizer05err Iceland?20:12
DocScrutinizer05seems moving from Moscow to any of those northern-european states couldn't be too hard, even for him, even without taking an airplane which USA could intercept20:13
whitequarkwith his face all over the news?20:14
DocScrutinizer05maybe he's not even allowed to leave russia ;-P20:14
DocScrutinizer05this might be another part of the deal with Putin20:15
DocScrutinizer05anyway, doesn't his visa expire soon? didn't he receive a 1 year permission for Russia only?20:15
wpwraki think it expires in july20:16
whitequarkI'm sure he'll get the permission for as long as he wants, as long as he annoys Obama more than Putin :)20:16
whitequarkI wonder if there's any "deal"20:17
whitequarkmaybe there is20:17
DocScrutinizer05the annoying-Obama aspect is dwindling20:18
whitequarkI don't think Russia has ever extradited anyone, and especially not to US, so here's that20:18
wpwraki wonder how many CIA-honeypot snowdens they have in russia20:18
DocScrutinizer05while the annoy-Putin aspect might increase20:18
wpwraki suppose it depends on how putin sees snowdens attempts to find asylum elsewhere. could be either way. "what, russia not good enough for you ?" or "keep trying. they'll all duck before the mighty US and we'll come out again and again as the land of the truly free and brave."20:22
DocScrutinizer05on a completely unrelated topic: donations to Neo900 came to a halt20:29
DocScrutinizer0503-28 350 units, 400 donations, 73555¬20:31
DocScrutinizer05so ~4/3weeks20:32
wpwrakyeah, you guys probably need to produce more good news. progress reports, pictures of new hardware, that sort of stuff.20:37
wpwrakseems that dos1 heard us :)20:44
dos1I hear everything :)20:45
wpwrakand now we uncloaked the NSA operative in this channel as well :)20:46
Action: whitequark was going to say20:46
dos1tomorrow in newspapers: "NSA denies that dos1 is their operative"20:46
dos1ok, so after checking the logs: I'm waiting impatiently for that new proto board Nikolaus is supposed to receive soon20:48
DocScrutinizer05I think he's still busy with layout20:49
dos1the last update was about one month ago, so I agree it's high time for the next one20:50
DocScrutinizer05dang, already almost a week since last weekend, and my reconvalescence holiday hasn't even started yet20:54
Action: DocScrutinizer05 feels like some black hole trapped him in time and space20:55
DocScrutinizer05dos1: you noticed that mentioning of "baseband firewall" on schneier?20:56
DocScrutinizer05wpwrak came up with the link a few days ago20:57
dos1DocScrutinizer05: that one that was triggered very often near airports?20:57
dos1nah, haven't seen it20:57
DocScrutinizer05thought it could use a reply "we're doing this, and more. cheers, neo900"20:57
Action: DocScrutinizer05 actually pondered whether this cryptophone company was a nice employer for him21:01
Web-aptosid876_tiny compact or small dev boards? lesser evil socs like a20 to mips as long as there not a gpl violator. this is for a diy pockect computer. my plan is to use my improv when enough people order it = I get it in the post but I'm getting impatiante so I'm looking at other options for the short term21:20
Web-aptosid876_improv= http://makeplaylive.com21:21
Web-aptosid876_what about these "mini pc" sticks - a20,usb,wifi,hdmi, and some models like mk802c have composite video which one could hock up so a small composite input lcd like http://www.aliexpress.com/item/3-5-inch-TFT-LCD-stand-alone-monitor-car-rear-view-monitor-RV-3504-For-Backup/1753099574.html21:28
qwebirc93835I have a question reguarding the Avalon 2 its a single 100GH unit.  It has the Power / USB adapter that mates to the back. 22:33
qwebirc93835My question is, Where can i get a replacement USB Adapter / Power Board?   I have plugged 2 different powersupplys in to it and nothing happens.  But when i plug them in to other devices the psu's work just fine.  22:34
whitequarkbitcoin miner22:41
qwebirc93835yes it is a bitcoin miner22:42
qwebirc93835I can give you the board numbers if that would help?22:43
DocScrutinizer05wpwrak: http://www.heute.de/ukraine-kiew-geht-gegen-pro-russische-aktivisten-vor-32838572.html22:52
qwebirc93835the main board is 04B01841EA0   and the USB Adapter is 65251522:53
qwebirc93835hello?????  23:07
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