#qi-hardware IRC log for Monday, 2014-03-17

nicksydneythis is cool http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-mini-drill/06:12
whitequarkhttp://imgur.com/3JYnBjG13:52
whitequarkthe nut actually sits perfectly tight!13:52
wpwrakthe joy of cnc :)15:21
viriccnc still makes me think of command and conquer15:33
whitequarkhttp://imgur.com/qGqx31c15:36
whitequarktoolpath for a fixture15:37
whitequarker, fixture clamp15:37
whitequarkopenscam is pretty great, but it doesn't do tool size compensation15:37
DocScrutinizer05I wonder if a physics engine (doom?) wasn't a nice basis for a proper CNC controller17:17
DocScrutinizer05at least you get the tool size stuff for free, from collision detection. Also ramp-up/down of stepper speeds should come almost for free17:18
DocScrutinizer05...from inertial modeling17:19
DocScrutinizer05you model your tool as a "vehicle" of arbitrary shape and precision, and your engraving/milling target you model as a "race course"17:22
whitequarkmeh, linuxcnc already does all that18:04
whitequarkplus games do not actually care about precision18:05
whitequarkthey just need to get it somewhat right; right enough it wouldn't look weird18:05
whitequarkUS and EU place sanctions on RU officials \o/19:44
DocScrutinizer05meh, to ~12 of them19:44
DocScrutinizer05too little, too late19:45
whitequarkwell... yeah.19:45
DocScrutinizer05might just help to stop RU from eating whole Ukraina19:45
whitequarkthat will hadly happen, unless putin wants a civil war19:45
DocScrutinizer05and going on westward after that19:45
whitequarkwhich he simply has no resources to wage19:46
DocScrutinizer05well, Jutchenko story 2004(?) been not that different to what he's trying to do right now. Back then he was idiotic enough to poison that guy with dioxin, hoping for opposition against RU sock puppet Janukowic to break and vanish after Jutchenko would be gone19:49
DocScrutinizer05this time he might act marginally smarter19:50
DocScrutinizer05he already accepted Janukowic to be the only legit president of Ukraina still19:50
DocScrutinizer05he already got parliament OK for sending troops to *anywhere* in Ukraina19:51
whitequarkparliament OK? which parliament are you talking about here?19:51
DocScrutinizer05the russian "parliament"19:52
whitequarkI hope you do realize it's a set of sockpuppets19:52
DocScrutinizer05sure19:52
whitequarkhardly ever relevant19:52
whitequarkevery single party we have19:52
whitequarka sad thing actually, the reason I don't believe in, say, overthrowing putin regime in russia19:53
whitequarkthere is simply no one to take his place who wouldn't act more or less same19:53
DocScrutinizer05some of those sock puppets already start babbling bullshit about RU nuklear strikes against USA19:53
whitequarkperhaps with more disastrous consequences due to even more glaring incompetency19:53
DocScrutinizer05in RU TV19:53
DocScrutinizer05are some of your sock puppets on crack now?19:54
whitequarkyeah I heard about that one19:54
DocScrutinizer05let's summarize - RU does: send troops without proper nationality signs to Krim; politics announce "we may send (official) troops to Ukraina any time"; regular troops gather behind easern border of Ukraina; sock puppets utter wet dreams about nuklear strikes against USA... Well, enough to make me feel W*T*F19:59
Action: whitequark ponders what would happen if say EU would overthrow russian regime and set up an occupation government20:00
DocScrutinizer05LOL20:00
whitequarka Gedankenexperiment20:00
DocScrutinizer05who would do that? I don't see anybody able to even come up with plans how to accomplish such thing20:01
whitequarkdidn't US do that several times on middle east?20:01
DocScrutinizer05apart from EU not being USA, I don't think you can compare anything USA did in the past with a plot where USA would take over Russia20:03
DocScrutinizer05after taking Russia, they could move on and take China the next weekend ;-P20:04
DocScrutinizer05and India on Wednesday after that weekend20:04
whitequarkwhy? I mean, what specifically prevents them?20:05
DocScrutinizer05umm, maybe the simple fact that no Russian Colonel in a ABM bunker would listen to the new Russian president George Whatthefuck Bush20:06
larscah, you just have to make the right promises to him20:07
DocScrutinizer05s/ABM/ICBM/20:07
larscsome money here, a glorious title there20:07
whitequarkI dunno, he probably wants his wife and children to live20:07
whitequarkon the other hand if he really hates his wife, you're fucked20:08
DocScrutinizer05 20:08
Action: whitequark shrugs20:08
whitequarkhehehe, this guy nails it in the title: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/20nc9s/i_am_a_resident_of_sevastopol_crimea_countryname/20:13
whitequark"I am a resident of Sevastopol, Crimea, <Countryname>. AMA! "20:13
DocScrutinizer05evades me20:14
whitequark<Countryname>.20:15
whitequarkanyway, he brings up a good point--most of crimea's residents are in favor of annexing20:15
whitequarkit's really a good question, what's the right thing to do in this case20:15
larscI highly doubt we have the necessary information to anwser that20:21
wpwrakeasy: 1) kill everyone 2) populate with settlers to your liking.20:29
kyak"hi, i'm the 4 percent from Crimea"20:30
DocScrutinizer05wpwrak: seems Russia did that a few decades ago already20:30
wpwrakkyak: you live there ?20:31
DocScrutinizer05well, maybe the killing was rather slow, and cruel, by deporting the Tartars to Siberia20:32
whitequarkwpwrak: DocScrutinizer05: that's what they basically did with Northern Ireland with Good Friday Agreement20:32
kyakwpwrak: no, i quoted the phrase, as if the guy from reddit was speaking20:32
whitequark"if majority of NI decides NI must be a part of I, so be it"20:32
wpwrakDocScrutinizer05: it's a fairly common approach ... i can see why, humans kinda grow back, you don't really have to do much for that to happen20:32
wpwrakkyak: ah :) good to know you're not in the area i just recommended purging20:33
wpwrakwhitequark: democracy with a bit of a selection bias20:34
DocScrutinizer05whitequark: you know the ballots of that "referendum" choices: a) [_] Ukraina becomes Russian territory. b) [_] constituation of 1984(?) gets established again (which nobody knows exactly what it means, but anyway doesn't sound like an alternative or even opposite to a) )20:36
kyakDocScrutinizer05: please stop showing your ignorance..20:37
DocScrutinizer05and the containers for balots were glass, and ballots mustn't get folded. So much for anonymous secret election20:37
DocScrutinizer05kyak: please stop insulting speech20:37
Action: wpwrak gets the popcorn20:38
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: of 199220:41
whitequarkand b) includes Crimea remaining a part of UA20:41
whitequarkhttp://image.zn.ua/media/images/original/Mar2014/85527.jpg20:42
DocScrutinizer05well, the whole propaganda been "Fascism or Russia". Dunno if it needs anything more to see what happened there20:46
viricI saw some interviews on TV to krimea citizens20:55
viric"I'm russian, I came here 35 years ago, and now I'm very happy to see this becoming russia"20:55
viricI think this explains quite much.20:55
viricInternational controllers were a complete fake20:56
viricOne appeared in russian TV, claiming to be a Catalan deputee in parliament, coming to review20:56
viricand he is a known catalan-hater fascist, that has nothing to do with the parliament20:57
viriccrazy.20:57
wpwrakheh, any theories about MH370 ?20:59
viricabout what?20:59
wpwrakMalaysian Flight 37020:59
viricthere was one talk about that at the blackhat meeting, no? :)21:00
wpwrakah ?21:00
virichttps://www.informationweek.com/security/risk-management/faas-new-flight-control-system-has-security-holes-researcher/d/d-id/110552021:01
viricI remember the blackhat conference :)21:01
viric(that's the 1st link that appeared on google)21:01
viricah no, wrong one21:01
viricwell, someone managed to get control of airplane devices with an android phone21:02
whitequarkthat sounds fishy21:02
viriche bought the airplane pieces from ebay, and spent time finding security breaches21:02
wpwrakah, injecting false transponder emissions. yes, they had that already at ehsm :) but MH370 stopped sending21:03
viriche never tried in a real flight, only with the home pieces.21:03
DocScrutinizer05lol21:03
wpwrakah, the more detailed controls. difficult to assess the veracity of that claim21:03
virichttp://blogs.computerworld.com/cybercrime-and-hacking/22036/hacker-uses-android-remotely-attack-and-hijack-airplane21:04
DocScrutinizer05latest info i heard of: allegedly the airplane continued at least 7h of flight *after* they stopped sending transponder signals or intercom21:04
DocScrutinizer05but yeah, probably some passenger's android phone took over the control of the airplane, and a rogue virus took over control over the android phone, so even the passenger owning it couldn't avoid it eventually falling into the sea when gasoline used up X-P21:06
DocScrutinizer05</sarcasm>21:06
wpwrakDocScrutinizer05: http://www.heise.de/ct/schlagseite/2003/1/gross.jpg21:08
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: relevant: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/03/stingray/21:21
whitequarkshould promote neo900 cause quite a bit, wouldn't it?21:22
DocScrutinizer05W**T**F?!!  >>403 no robots.<<21:55
DocScrutinizer05FU http://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/03/stingray/21:55
DocScrutinizer05or is this what should promote Neo900? :-D21:55
whitequarkenable cookies or something21:56
DocScrutinizer05wpwrak: lol, to the point obviously21:56
DocScrutinizer05cookies are enabled21:56
DocScrutinizer05ooh, I rejected them21:57
DocScrutinizer05this time I accepted them, result is same21:57
DocScrutinizer05:-(21:57
DocScrutinizer05sorry, I'm not inclined to waste my time on such website21:58
DocScrutinizer05which reminds me... afk, bbl21:58
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: it's only you who are wasting your time on useless paranoid crap21:59
whitequarkbut ok, here are direct links: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140313/12065026569/newly-obtained-documents-show-law-enforcement-agencies-all-over-california-are-using-stingray-devices.shtml and https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/03/metadata_survei.html21:59
DocScrutinizer05meh, seen those22:00
whitequark(useless paranoid crap) because you can be very easily tracked by the very measures you employ against tracking22:02
whitequarksometimes I wonder if it's possible to make a browser which asks the very advertisers for data on an "average customer" and then opens pages by itself to make *your* profile match the one of that average guy22:04
whitequarkhenceforth making the collected data useless22:04
DocScrutinizer05well, at least doubleclick.net etc are not spamming me with tailored-to-fit ads yet22:10
DocScrutinizer05google OTOH starts to do that22:10
whitequarkI just use adblock. two birds with one stone.22:11
whitequarkwpwrak: DocScrutinizer05: http://imgur.com/QuMCPrx,j8stgl9#022:35
whitequarkAperture Science Object Attachment System22:36
whitequarkhngggg23:12
whitequarkwhat do you do if an endmill breaks in the middle of a job23:12
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