#qi-hardware IRC log for Tuesday, 2014-03-04

DocScrutinizer05I wonder if Putin's plans particularly regarding that eurasian trade union were actually coordinated with this ukraine mess we see now. Result seems more like damaging to the original idea00:06
DocScrutinizer05also impact on russian economy already is massive00:07
whitequarkalready?00:09
whitequarksome source for that?00:09
DocScrutinizer05whitequark: one question regarding propaganda: here TV says Janukovic lost support even of 2/3 of his own party. Is that info available in russia too, and what do you think of it?00:09
whitequarkhm00:14
whitequarkhow would you evaluate "is that info available in russia"?00:15
whitequarkI mean, it's not china here to control all existing media. there are media outlets stating that Yanukovich lost most of support he had, of course00:16
whitequarkwhat I think of it? he wasn't too competent and chickened out where he shouldn't. IOW not a good leader. and what is his function besides that?00:17
whitequarkthere's not really very much reasons for even supporters of his party to follow them anymore00:19
whitequarkmany*00:20
DocScrutinizer05I meant what do you think of the info. true or not. But when it's even available in Russia then it prolly is true00:54
DocScrutinizer05I wondered whether this might be propaganda of our western media, just like the "fascists took over the government and are killing people in the streets" is in Russia00:56
whitequarkahh00:56
wpwrakit was kind cute in those videos, when they dusted off the nazis.00:57
DocScrutinizer05it's just too thick. EU is supporting fascists to make them become part of NATO or what?00:59
whitequarkI think that was the logic01:00
DocScrutinizer05heck, didn't Russia win WW2, against the fascists, together with their allies that now support fascists in Kiev?01:00
wpwrakEU supports whatever gets the people who matter money. that thing with peaceful european unity and such it just for the sheep01:00
wpwrakand don't forget that most of the participants on WW2 didn't really disagree so much with the nazis but just started to worry that they could get too powerful01:01
wpwrakwith russia, there's no such problem. they'rea already big and scary. so no reason to get excited01:02
DocScrutinizer05yeah, and Hitler isn't dead, he lives on in an apartment in New York01:02
DocScrutinizer05and has tea with Obama each friday afternoon01:03
DocScrutinizer05occasionally Zarkozi joins the party01:04
DocScrutinizer05and maggi thatcher01:05
DocScrutinizer05I'd be surprised when you couldn't find reports about it in Russian TV01:05
whitequarkcomparisons of Putin with Hitler are popular with armchair geopoliticists though01:06
DocScrutinizer05hmm, that's not what I said01:06
wpwrakcomparisons with pretty much anyone you don't like with hitler are kinda popular :)01:07
whitequark:p01:07
DocScrutinizer05but comparison of Russian TV news with NS propaganda, yeah, I'd be willing to actually see where they differ01:08
DocScrutinizer05ooh, apropos propaganda: you heard about those russian protection troops in Krim now found Tartar terrorists who carried tons of C4 and a rifle that only russian troops are supposed to have access to?01:16
DocScrutinizer05quite embarrassing for russian troops that they lose their guns to terrorists01:17
DocScrutinizer05and of course when they busted those terrorists, they "send some joker with a brownie. And you'll see it all complete"01:20
DocScrutinizer05http://www.brownie-camera.com/01:23
whitequarkthere was speculation that terroristic acts in Volgograd were state-sponsored01:27
whitequarkat Dec 30 201301:27
whitequarkwhile I'm not very eager to jump at that conspiracy train, the evidence was rather interesting01:27
Action: DocScrutinizer05 listens to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2Vx5-RRtRw and wonders if thinks really ever change at all01:32
DocScrutinizer05not like this was any the same problem, but the methods don't differ01:34
DocScrutinizer05whitequark: what I referred to sounded like it happened today or yesterday01:37
whitequarkoooh nice, a class action lawsuit against mtgox: http://www.scribd.com/doc/209741761/Greene-v-MtGox-Inc-Mt-Gox-Class-Action02:47
whitequarkhaha this is great: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhwT3LsIIAAkaS9.jpg:large08:54
whitequarkcaption: "Between times, mention that Ukraine is our strategic partner" "Ukraine is our strategic partner"08:55
sharekhi all09:39
sharekplease, anyone can help me? I disabled the gp2x menu at start according the wiki, but I'm trying to clear the screen at boot (ash starts fine, with some text overlapped) the man of ash don't clarify me nothing about that09:41
sharek*at boot= after boot09:41
sharekmaybe disabling openwrt splash screen?09:46
larscsounds like a plan09:51
larscrunning `reset` should also fix it, iirc09:51
shareklarsc: you talk to me?09:55
shareki'm talking about ben nanonote09:55
sharek(sorry about that)09:55
sharekin inittab ?09:55
sharektty1::respawn:/bin/ash --login09:56
sharekthis is my current line09:57
sharekno, i want the boot process do it for me10:01
sharekwithout type every time i boot the ben10:02
sharekclear or reset 10:02
sharekdisabling bootsplash sounds good, is the best choice (i prefer verbose :) but I don't know how to do that10:03
sharekopenwork bootsplash is cool, but isn't useful10:03
sharekfixed: added command in /etc/profile... dirty ;,,(10:14
sharekbye!10:15
paul_boddiesharek: In case no-one responded already, I found that "clear" targeted at the console did the trick.10:33
paul_boddieSee: http://hgweb.boddie.org.uk/qi-emdebian/file/1ab568f9521e/preinit10:33
paul_boddieAt some point I'll probably figure out the bootsplash stuff, but "clear" is a quick hack.10:34
paul_boddieAs the link indicates, I put this in the /etc/preinit file, which is the thing the OpenWrt kernel wants to call as its init program, I think.10:36
Action: paul_boddie hopes that sharek reads the logs.10:36
whitequarkno wpwrak?!10:52
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: I received the hypophosphite, 1kg of it10:52
whitequarkI am surely by now not on a communist list but also on terrorist list in America10:53
DocScrutinizer05hmm, terrorist list? why that?11:12
whitequarkterrorists surely make meth to undermine glorious american capitalist dream11:17
DocScrutinizer05MtGox - HAHA I wasn't aware of the details. Now I see why not a single further request to accept bitcoins been uttered towards Neo900 during last month11:56
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: fyi: BTC is back to $650, presumably after announce that in UK it is not subject to VAT11:57
whitequarkmtgox didn't even make a sizable dent.11:57
whitequarknor it was ever widely used in Europe (which I think is your primary audience?)11:58
DocScrutinizer05I won't touch such crap like bitcoin with a 10-feet-pole12:00
dos1mtgox wasn't widely used for something like last year12:00
dos1and its problems are not bitcoin related - it was NIH syndrom of mtgox devs resulting in crappy, buggy PHP code :P12:00
whitequark^ that12:00
whitequarkthere is absolutely nothing in the mtgox case which was caused by bitcoin or even technology at all, and everything caused by managerial incompetence and/or fraud12:01
DocScrutinizer05exactly12:02
whitequarkso what's wrong with bitcoin?12:02
DocScrutinizer05which is the core problem of bitcoin (as well as paypal btw)12:02
whitequarkhow do you mean?12:03
dos1the only problem with bitcoin I can see is that with "standard" currencies, when bank software makes terrible mistakes, usually they can reverse that - at least to some extend12:03
DocScrutinizer05I'd rather print my own currency than trust in that of some other shady geek12:04
dos1with bitcoin it's hardly reversible12:04
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: bitcoin protocol is entirely published and has been verified by thousands of cryptoanalysts, malicious and not, to be secure12:04
dos1DocScrutinizer05: "shady geeks" you refer to are just other bitcoin users like anyone else12:05
DocScrutinizer05so what? the concept still is not backed up by anybody trustworthy12:05
dos1it doesn't have to12:05
DocScrutinizer05actually it's not backed up by anything12:05
whitequarkdefine "backed up"12:05
dos1you don't have to use any exchange at all in fact12:05
dos1and the protocol is backed by pretty strong math12:05
whitequarkor better, explain what specifically you are afraid of12:05
ysionneauwell, you need to buy the first bitcoins12:06
ysionneauor you need someone kind enough to give you some12:06
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: if you are afraid that as a merchant you will lose your bitcoins due to untrusted third party, there's been several solutions to that12:06
dos1ysionneau: you can buy btc from some other person12:06
ysionneauah yes indeed12:06
whitequark1) if you want to store your funds in bitcoin, there are wallets which do not depend on any external server and are entirely open-source12:07
whitequarkin fact you do not even need an internet connection12:07
DocScrutinizer05I'm afraid I better "trade" with kauri shells than bitcoins12:07
whitequark2) if you want rather to immediately receive USD, that is not a problem too. coinbase.com is a service for merchants which accepts BTC and in the next second gives old good USD to you.12:07
whitequarkso you don't even have to deal with BTC at all12:08
whitequarkmost merchants I'm aware of are using coinbase or similar services, of course12:08
DocScrutinizer05whitequark: and whom I sue when that transaction at coinbase fails?12:08
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: coinbase. they have a proper license and a contract covering your ass12:09
DocScrutinizer05with paypal I at least know they are a registered bank at least in Luxemburg12:09
whitequarkbesides, you may simply not do anything until you get paid in USD12:09
DocScrutinizer05which doesn't help much when they decide they freeze my account12:09
whitequarkagain, you do not have to store anything for significant time on coinbase. you do not hold bitcoins or are exposed to risks related to fluctuating rate12:11
DocScrutinizer05honestly, pay me in kauri shells please. I don't accept bitcoins, neither Che Guevara devotionals12:11
DocScrutinizer05there's even a number of officially accepted currencies we won't accept as payment12:12
whitequarkalso, no chargebacks with bitcoins12:12
DocScrutinizer05exactly12:13
whitequarkisn't that good for you? when I bought my M1, wolfgang complained that he only charged me via VISA because he was sure I wasn't going to make a chargeback12:15
whitequarkthat would cost him plenty12:15
DocScrutinizer05let me out it simple: when my classical bank will accept it as payment to my account, I'm fine with it12:15
DocScrutinizer05s/out/put12:16
whitequarkyeah, when my classical bank stops raping me in the ass for attempting an international payment, I'll maybe make a transfer to you with USD12:16
DocScrutinizer05not my problem12:16
DocScrutinizer05I rather take the risk of chargebacks that the risk of dealing with bitcoins and all that ensues, incl explaining those transaction to tax office12:17
whitequarkGermany issued an official statement on bitcoin taxation btw12:18
DocScrutinizer05s/that/than12:18
whitequarke.g. http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/19/germany-recognizes-bitcoin-as-private-money-sales-tax-coming-soon/12:18
DocScrutinizer05see "PRIVATE"? aka "intra-company"12:18
whitequarkthough yes, I can see how that can be problematic for you. now you're talking sensible12:19
whitequark>Member of Parliament Frank Schaeffler considers Bitcoin mining as private money creation, and says that the same fiscal and legal rules should apply to Euros and Bitcoins12:19
whitequarksame legal rules12:19
DocScrutinizer05"member of Neo900 group Joerg Reisenweber considers bitcoins a PITA and that they should not get accepted by any serious business"12:20
DocScrutinizer05"fiscal and legal rules" is about how they treat you right so you'll regret ever touching that thing12:21
DocScrutinizer05it's NOT about your rights12:21
whitequarkokay, you have a point12:22
DocScrutinizer05it's about your liabilities12:22
DocScrutinizer05"private money creation" is basically a crime12:23
DocScrutinizer05at least almost12:23
whitequarkMinistry of Finance doesn't quite think so12:23
DocScrutinizer05one step from trial12:23
whitequarkthough I agree we'll have to wait a little longer to see how the whole policy will look like12:24
DocScrutinizer05I'm afraid when we discuss this another hour, I will accept Kauri shells *only*12:25
whitequarkyou seem to have gained a level or two of paranoia, I wonder why :)12:25
DocScrutinizer05because my experience with banks and authorities12:26
DocScrutinizer05and because I expected axactly the Mtgox thing happen from beginning, I even suspect the whole bitcoin plot been tailored to pull off exactly that12:27
DocScrutinizer05they created a new business and as such it hadn't installed any proper surveillance rules by any authority12:28
DocScrutinizer05dealing with Kauri shells, would I hand my fortune to a traveling salesman who promises to me he keeps them safe and I can access them any time?12:30
DocScrutinizer05"where can I find you?" "Oh, in Hong Kong"12:30
whitequarknah, you keep them yourself or deal in gold12:30
whitequarkwhich is exactly what all reasonable people did: avoided mtgox at all12:30
whitequarkI shall remind you that "mtgox" means "magic the gathering online exchange". if THAT doesn't ring any bells, you must be dumb as a brick12:31
whitequarkno, probably even dumber12:31
whitequarkeven while mtgox worked you could only withdraw USD (and I think BTC?) twice a year12:31
dos1during last year or so it was complete PITA to withdraw anything from them12:32
whitequarkI honestly do not understand why so many people sticked to mtgox at all12:32
dos1and withdrawing BTC was PITA even longer12:32
whitequarkit was just plain out miserable12:32
whitequarkI never dealt with them after a brief look at how they worked, for the matter12:32
DocScrutinizer05I do not understand why so many people invest in bitcoins12:33
DocScrutinizer05every advantage I could imagine you possibly could come up is actually a disadvantage in my book12:33
sharekhi12:34
dos1bitcoins are pretty cool if you're not afraid of price fluctations and you know how to get taxing sorted out12:34
DocScrutinizer05ooh, "cool" for sure is an argument for a company to deal with bitcoins ;-)12:35
whitequarkbitcoins are valuable as a technology. on other hand, people are quite hyped up on it and that drives their market value up unreasonably12:35
dos1you said about "people investing in bitcoins", not companies :)12:35
whitequarkthis is inevitable for any new technology though12:35
DocScrutinizer05hmm, I consider AmEx cooler12:36
dos1anyway, as a technology, it's really awesome and when you look at how it works, it might spawn lots of amazing things based on similar blockchain/proof-of-work concepts ,even not related to money12:37
DocScrutinizer05even Diners is "cooler" than BTC12:37
dos1I'm a big fan of BTC-the-technology12:38
whitequarkbitcoin's single most important achievement is showing that currency may be backed not by threat of violence but a mathematical proof12:38
dos1with BTC-the-economy I'm a bit more careful though ;)12:38
whitequarkno one can or ever will be able to freeze your account in BTC or forbid to transfer funds to someone they did not like12:38
DocScrutinizer05uhuh12:38
DocScrutinizer05I can even think of iptables rules that stop bitcoin12:39
whitequarkand where would you add those rules?12:39
dos1quite easy to workaround, I'd say12:39
DocScrutinizer05and 100% monitoring by agnecies guaranteed12:40
whitequarkbitcoin inherently has a public ledger. it is monitored not only by agencies but all parties that may be interested12:40
dos1and you can prepare "cold transaction" offline and just inject it somewhere else to the online chain12:40
whitequarkin fact, bitcoin is *not* anonymous in the slightest12:41
dos1bitcoin is pseudonymous by design12:41
DocScrutinizer05so much for coolness12:41
whitequarkit is rather sad to see how much FUD spreads bitcoin12:41
whitequarkdare I guess someone--perhaps those "traditional" banks--are afraid of it? ;)12:42
DocScrutinizer05maybe12:42
DocScrutinizer05but something isn't good just becuase bad entities are afraid of it12:42
DocScrutinizer05maybe it's even worse than those bad entities12:43
whitequarkthat's what they want you to believe12:43
DocScrutinizer05that's what my logic tells me12:43
DocScrutinizer05I never liked any form of electronix payment12:44
whitequarkheh. anyway. I have studied the technological basis for it extensively and used it also, not for speculation but rather for useful payments12:44
DocScrutinizer05because it has potential to surveillance that we recently learned is not feeling confortable12:44
whitequarkand while it is certainly flawed I consider it a step forward12:44
DocScrutinizer05forward direction 198412:45
DocScrutinizer05sure12:45
DocScrutinizer05BTC is the solution for a problem that doesn't eist. and it creates new problems for which there is no solution (except ignoring them)12:46
DocScrutinizer05exist, even12:46
whitequarkif you want to hide your identity, there's Zerocoin12:46
whitequarka bitcoin extension using provable crypto to ensure coins cannot be traced12:46
DocScrutinizer05BS, there is real money for that12:47
DocScrutinizer05everything else is a delusion12:47
whitequarkyou mean "cash"? quite inconvenient for me to handle you cash when you're 2000km from me12:47
DocScrutinizer05perfect anonymity - on 2000km distance you won't know me12:48
whitequarkwell, decide what you want. no trade via internet at all?12:48
whitequarkperhaps you suggest we all just go back to shepherding. surely no 1984 that way12:48
DocScrutinizer05huh? was it me who asked for perfect anonymity?12:49
whitequarkwhat was your 1984 comment all about?12:49
whitequarkthat there can be no untraceable electronic payment? I just told you that there is12:49
DocScrutinizer05haha12:49
DocScrutinizer05there is no untraceable electronic. period12:50
whitequarkthere is. paper: http://zerocoin.org/media/pdf/ZerocoinOakland.pdf, explanation: http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2013/04/zerocoin-making-bitcoin-anonymous.html12:50
DocScrutinizer05I get it that this been a ps to your last statement, no an answer to my last one12:51
whitequarkan answer12:51
DocScrutinizer05and you're dpoing those zerocoin transactions on your abacus and transfer info via smoke signals?12:52
whitequarkthat is one valid way to do it, yes12:52
DocScrutinizer05go ahead, write a RFC, I might become a fan12:53
whitequarkI'm practically serious. go print a transaction, inject it from any public computer or public WiFi you have access to12:53
whitequarkof course, if an agent is standing right behind your back, it is traceable. but so is cash.12:53
DocScrutinizer05or wait, I think I consider coins made of silver (or other metal, or even paper) more convenient to use12:54
DocScrutinizer05no computer needed12:54
whitequarknow let me pay for neo900 with silver coins12:54
whitequarkOH WAIT12:54
whitequarkI can't, for some reason you fail to understand12:55
DocScrutinizer05and once everybody accepts that dealing with currency involves a computer, you might one day find real money not being accepted anymore12:55
rohwell.. people do.12:55
rohits called euro and plastic card *ducks*12:55
DocScrutinizer05meh, sorry, afk12:55
rohnp12:56
whitequarkfor that matter, there are physical manifestations of bitcoin, if you need that kind of convenience. you can get metal coins, you can print the code on paper12:56
whitequark(also what roh said)12:57
DocScrutinizer05((now let me pay for neo900 with silver coins))  [2014-03-04 13:15:39] <DocScrutinizer05> let me put it simple: when my classical bank will accept it as payment to my account, I'm fine with it13:00
DocScrutinizer05I'm not accepting any direct payment to my hand, please make all payments to Neo900 bank account13:01
DocScrutinizer05I'm not dealing drugs, you know ;-)13:02
DocScrutinizer05my bank is estabilshing a minimum level of accountability for any transaction I have to handle. No way to establish that when you pass money to me directly13:05
DocScrutinizer05you know how paypal started, and what's been the original purpose.13:06
larsctake over the world13:10
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: I don't think I follow13:12
whitequarkI don't buy groceries with bank transfer13:12
whitequarkdo you equate all retail sector with dealing drugs or what?13:12
DocScrutinizer05you hardly buy groceries for several hundred EUR13:13
DocScrutinizer05and regularly you hold them in your hand while paying and take away13:13
whitequarkthat actually happened quite a bit with my family, buying groceries for entire family for 2w or 4w13:14
DocScrutinizer05you're free to visit me at Nue and pay for a Neo900 I hand to you, in silver coins13:14
whitequarkso what are you bothered with, possibility of fraud? or nonaccountability of transaction by your bank?13:15
DocScrutinizer05or do you order at a grocery 200km away from your home, and send the money in advance, in a snailmail letter?13:15
wpwrakis it rant day already ? :)13:16
DocScrutinizer05yup13:16
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: not 200km but I ordered groceries from 20km away from my home, and send money in advance (if through VISA)13:16
DocScrutinizer05AHA!13:16
DocScrutinizer05see, you can do same for Neo90013:16
whitequarkbut not with bitcoins, because... tell me why exactly?13:17
whitequarkI want to understand13:17
wpwrakgroceries that need to be shipped for 20 km ... that must have been a crate of mineral water not containing vodka13:17
DocScrutinizer05try to convince my bank to accept bitcoins and I don't mind13:17
whitequarkwpwrak: nah. http://utkonos.ru/. think of it as amazon for groceries13:18
whitequarkthey have a wide logistics network and no retail stores. hence cheaper product for same quality, and *very* cheap delivery13:18
DocScrutinizer05((now let me pay for neo900 with silver coins))  [2014-03-04 13:15:39] <DocScrutinizer05> let me put it simple: when my classical bank will accept it as payment to my account, I'm fine with it13:18
whitequarkon order of $2 per order of a dozen kg13:18
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: so your final and only requirement is that you want your bank to accept bitcoins13:18
whitequarkit can't be helped then, we'll just have to wait. *shrug*13:19
DocScrutinizer05why should I want that13:19
whitequarkrequirement for accepting bitcoins, I mean13:19
DocScrutinizer05I actually have no word in what my bank accepts as currency13:19
wpwrakwhitequark: he dosn't want your money :)13:19
whitequarkwpwrak: figured it already13:19
DocScrutinizer05yes, exactly, I don't want any money, I want my bank to handle that money13:20
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: so to hprase it another way, you want solely your bank to deal with your money13:20
whitequarkI see13:20
DocScrutinizer05I never will touch it13:20
wpwrakit's dirty anyway13:20
wpwrakwell, unless you get it laundered13:20
wpwrakmaybe ask at your bank if they offer that service13:20
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: okay, I understand your position now. nothing to add here.13:20
DocScrutinizer05I'm running a business which can't hold silver coins in a kitty under the pillow. and I have a hard time with accounting when I pay money to the account that is not my money13:23
whitequarkwell, it seems other businesses cope with no problems. but I am in no position to give advice on running a business13:24
DocScrutinizer05try to pay with bitcoins at farnel, or digikey13:25
DocScrutinizer05or your grocery13:26
DocScrutinizer05why do you think my business is any different to theirs?13:26
DocScrutinizer05I told you [2014-03-04 14:14:22] <DocScrutinizer05> you're free to visit me at Nue and pay for a Neo900 I hand to you, in silver coins13:27
whitequarkI pay my homeowner and VoIP bills with BTC. I've bought games and tech with BTC before. I'm planning to buy my next work laptop with BTC.13:27
DocScrutinizer05I#ll write a reciepe and fine13:28
DocScrutinizer05you're free to do that13:28
whitequarkI'm not sure what are you arguing about. BTC adoption can not happen overnight. I know some people are accepting it, therefore it is totally possible.13:29
whitequarkof course, you are free to disregard it13:29
DocScrutinizer05I'm free to not consider contracting a service that charges me a substantial share of every transaction for processing BTC. It's PITA enough to do same for CC13:30
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: a substantial share? coinbase charges 0% below first $1m and 1% above that13:31
whitequarkI bet VISA charges more13:31
DocScrutinizer05GDC doesn't even offer paypal, since their conditions are unbearable13:31
DocScrutinizer05wtf coinbase13:31
whitequarkprocessor13:31
DocScrutinizer05will it cooperate with my bank? without me handling every single transaction personally?13:32
whitequarkthat is the idea13:33
DocScrutinizer05can it get intzegrated into webshops?13:33
whitequarkobviously13:33
whitequarkinto brick and mortar shops as well13:33
DocScrutinizer05mhm, then suggest it to GDC13:33
whitequarkI will surely do13:33
DocScrutinizer05I'm not touching BTC and I'm not touching silver coins sent to me in envelopes13:34
DocScrutinizer05I *only* talk tto my bank13:34
DocScrutinizer05what's not happening there on my account didn't happen13:35
whitequarkpersonal anecdote about bitcoin: I've bought a bunch, a few weeks ago13:37
whitequarktoday they have almost exact same USD value as back then. however the RUB in my traditional bank account have devalued by at least 10% and are falling further.13:38
whitequark(I hope it is obvious in no way I am defending stability of bitcoin with this anecdote)13:39
whitequarksent a letter to Nikolaus13:42
DocScrutinizer05good14:41
sharekanyone knows how to enable verbose mode at boot-time in NanoNote?15:27
sharekI using the official OpenWRT firmware15:27
sharekany help or tip can be appreciated :)15:28
whitequarkyou mean for kernel? or userspace?15:33
whitequarkfor kernel use parameter loglevel=115:34
whitequarker =715:34
sharekall of them can be fine :)15:34
whitequarkI'm not sure if userspace even has a verbose switch in general15:34
whitequarkask at #openwrt perhaps15:34
sharekthanks whitequark 15:34
sharekcat /proc/cmdline 15:50
sharekmem=32M console= console=ttyS0,57600n8 ubi.mtd=2 rootfstype=ubifs root=ubi0:rootfs rw rootwait consoleblank=30 quiet15:50
sharekand here my next question.... (n00b) never I used the u-boot, how to change the kernel parameters?15:50
sharekI tried to search about them... no one clarify me this simple point15:51
whitequarkprolly embedded in kerne15:55
whitequarkl15:55
pcercueisharek: ask in #qi-hardware15:55
pcercueifor NanoNote-related stuff15:55
sharekThis is not the correct channel ¿?15:55
pcercuei>.>15:56
pcercueisorry, I thought we were in a different one15:56
pcercueianyway. I think that the command line is hardcoded in the kernel15:56
pcercueimake menuconfig -> kernel hacking15:56
pcercueishould be there15:57
sharekSeems the kernel sources are not in the openwrt default firmware15:58
pcercueihttp://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/qi-kernel/16:00
sharekthanks pcercuei 16:00
sharekis frustrating to do anything with this device... I love it, but is harder to use ;,,,(16:01
pcercueibuy a gcw zero :)16:08
sharekI have a wiz and canoo similar machine and similar result ;,,(16:10
sharekanyone use NanoNote in a osx ?16:15
sharekis the only machine i have there16:16
CYB3Rsharek: is it any different from other *nix?16:16
sharekno, is a bsd16:18
sharekbut, i want to use the user interface (easy click) to do that...16:18
sharekwithout touch iptables or similar16:19
sharekif broke or misconfigure anything, my geeky friend kills me16:19
sharek>XD16:19
CYB3Rbsd is *nix too16:19
sharekyes16:20
sharekbut this is not the question CYB3R 16:20
shareki want to configure share wifi connection with an "out of the box" osx16:20
CYB3RI think you should put all you iptables routines into a single sh file16:20
CYB3Rthen make it executable16:20
CYB3Rthen run it whenever you need it16:20
sharekuse console and command line is useful when cannot do without other methods16:21
shareki think you have a prejudice with use graphical user interface?16:21
sharekwhat's wrong with that?16:22
sharek3 or 4 clicks can do the same as many hours of commands and keypresses16:23
shareki like the console, but not in my machines16:23
shareksorry16:23
shareki misspeled16:23
sharek*but not in "not mine" machines16:23
sharekin qi-hardware have an entry with link, but the link is broken16:27
sharekusbnet is working fine... but I cannot make the last step, share internet16:29
sharekand osx have a easy to use graphical utility for that16:29
sharekroot@BenNanoNote:~# ping www.google.com16:50
sharekPING www.google.com (173.194.41.242): 56 data bytes16:50
sharek64 bytes from 173.194.41.242: seq=0 ttl=61 time=1186.279 ms16:50
sharek64 bytes from 173.194.41.242: seq=1 ttl=61 time=1185.440 ms16:50
sharek:)16:50
sharekbye17:17
nicksydneyFlexcoin is shutting down. http://flexcoin.com/21:52
nicksydneyinteresting "On March 2nd 2014 Flexcoin was attacked and robbed of all coins in the hot wallet. The attacker made off with 896 BTC"21:52
wpwrakdid evolution declaring dinosaurs unfit for survival mean that it had given up on life on earth ? :)21:58
DocScrutinizer05uh?22:19
DocScrutinizer05I wonder how the heck you can rob BTC when they actually are tracked by some infra that verifies each transaction22:20
DocScrutinizer05wouldn't $somebody be able to track the single bitcoin down to the single transaction when they ever get used?22:21
DocScrutinizer05on a second thought, please don't explain it to me, I don't wanna know it22:22
DocScrutinizer05LOL >>All other users will be directed to Flexcoin's "Terms of service" located at "Flexcoin.com/118.html" a document which was agreed on, upon signing up with Flexcoin.<<22:24
DocScrutinizer05>>We have taken every precaution to defend your bitcoins from hackers and/or intruders. However, Flexcoin Inc is not responsible for insuring any bitcoins stored in the Flexcoin system. You are entering into this agreement with Flexcoin Inc. You agree to not hold Flexcoin Inc, or Flexcoin Inc's stakeholders, or Flexcoin Inc's shareholders liable for any lost bitcoins.<< ROTFL22:26
DocScrutinizer05how to plot a legal rip-off22:26
DocScrutinizer05worth a ~USD 800k22:27
DocScrutinizer05maybe I should start to be interested in that bitcoin stuff22:27
DocScrutinizer05hard to make more money with less risk and investment22:28
DocScrutinizer05WTF?! >>When transferring bitcoins from Flexcoin ID to an external bitcoin address, there is a fee of either 0.01 BTC or one-half of one percent of the total transfer amount, whichever is greater.<<22:32
DocScrutinizer051 BTC = ~500..1000USD ?22:33
nicksydneyDocScrutinizer05: it's a crazy world :)22:36
DocScrutinizer05s/crazy/stupid/22:37
wpwraktry a SWIFT transfer. there you'll also find charges in this order. also, you have to add a "tip" to any BTC transaction anyway, to get the miners to process it22:44
wpwrakso the concept is quite well-established already. maybe they're a bit expensive22:45
idundiditwhere's the most up to date source of information for the nanonote? Active development, experimentation, etc.22:48
DocScrutinizer05which is all I seen22:48
DocScrutinizer05they ask for 10$ for transferring to any destination, and for 30$ for moving BTC to "cold storage"22:49
DocScrutinizer05and regarding switft: nope, my transfer to the Galden shop been not that expensive iirc22:50
DocScrutinizer05but maybe I forgot because of too much anger seeing the 30EUR going up to 60EUR22:51
DocScrutinizer05?22:51
wpwrakidundidit: hmm, a number of people are using it but there's relatively little publicly visible development22:51
idundiditI've had mine for a few years now... bought it from sharism.cc, but it's just sitting there looking lonely22:52
DocScrutinizer05o/22:52
wpwrakah, so you're looking for ideas of what to do with it ? or do you have something but aren't sure how to do it ?22:53
wpwrak(the latter would be an easier question :)22:53
idundiditlooking for ideas pretty much22:53
idundiditOr at least exposure to what others are doing/have done22:53
wpwrakDocScrutinizer05: SWIFT prices can vary quite a bit. sometimes it's not too bad. sometimes it's evil.22:53
wpwrakidundidit: well, i use my ben mainly for technical stuff. in a stationary role with UBB to plug into my various circuits, e.g., for in-circuit programming of microcontrollers22:54
idundiditintense22:55
wpwrakidundidit: i've also used it - with atben - to control a "dumb" portable display device. so there it ran on battery.22:56
wpwrak(and even left the house ;-)22:56
idundiditthat sounds interesting22:56
wpwraksome people use it to take notes or an a music player22:56
idundiditThat's what I've done mostly22:56
idundiditI used to have it set up as a twitter feed reader a long time ago, but then they stopped using RSS22:56
idundiditEveryone is impressed at college when you pull out a miniature laptop22:57
wpwrak(portable display device) like this: http://www.almesberger.net/misc/ant/proto2.jpg22:58
wpwrakand here in motion: http://www.almesberger.net/misc/ant/edd1.jpg  (for a protest march against institutional corruption)22:59
idundiditcool, haha22:59
wpwrakthe ben would send such images to the microcontroller (a lowly avr) in that LED stick22:59
wpwrakso, these are my uses. plus a bit of toying around, like here: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/ubb/vga/web/23:01
wpwrakor this http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/ubb/patgen/ubb-patgen-demo.jpg (pattern generator)23:02
idundidithmm. I wonder if I'd be able to get it connected to an OBD to read car diagnostics23:02
wpwrakor this http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/ubb/la/ubb-la-pspi.jpg ("logic analyzer", in this case displaying what the pattern generator on the ben in the rear sent out)23:03
idundiditany successor to the nanonote planned?23:04
wpwrakno. people occasionally talk about it but nothing concrete it happening23:04
wpwrakthere was a big thread about this on the mailing list, see subject "Nanonote End of life" on http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2014-February/thread.html23:05
idundiditthanks23:06
idundiditThis guy has dosbox running on it, and is working on mame. http://www.slaanesh.net/23:10
wpwrakah yes, there are games, too :)23:16
sharekHi all23:36
sharekanyone knows how to enable syntax highlighting in vim-full ? (openwrt)23:36
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