#qi-hardware IRC log for Saturday, 2014-03-01

wpwrakno, both have vertical controls multiplexed00:03
wpwrakthe Z also has a lot faster updates. Ethernet, DPO, a lot more memory, and so on00:04
whitequarkoh, right, then I've been lied to00:05
wpwrakthe DS1000E or D are basically cleaned up DS1000C or CD (D and CD have MSO, crappy in the case of CD, apparently somewhat usable in the case of D)00:07
whitequarkinteresting: another OSS GSM box? http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/cellulars-open-source-future-is-latched-to-tallest-tree-in-the-village/2/05:09
shevekDoes pcbnew completely ignore origins that are placed, or am I doing something wrong?  It keeps outputting data with respect the the page corner, and I don't want that.05:38
wpwrakshevek: there's that user-defines origin but few enough things seem to care about it. not entirely sure which ones do - you sometimes have the option of selecting the coordinate system10:45
wpwrakwhat i generally do is renormalize the coordinates. that way, kicad is free to do whatever it wants, as long as it doesn't contracdict itself ;)10:45
wpwrakhmm, in addition to the t* (today) commands, qi-bot could also use a set of m* (last month) and maybe w* (last week) filters. that way, one could capture recent trends.11:57
wpwrake.g., wolfgang, in two manifestations, holds the second place in the words ranking, yet he hasn't said anything for months11:58
wpwrakmeanwhile, DocScrutinizer and whitequark who clearly dominated traffic in the last weeks, are placed well below me and - if adding his two nicks - also wolfgang11:59
whitequark!top12:05
whitequarkhm, how was that12:06
DocScrutinizer05hmm?12:27
wpwraktop1013:42
shevekwpwrak: Yes, it has "Place the origin point for drill and place files", and "Set the origin point for the grid", but neither seems to have any effect.  The user interface still uses the page corner as (0,0) and so does the exported drill file and the gerber.13:59
shevekHow do you renormalize them?14:00
shevekI use pcb2gcode for preparing it for a mill, but that doesn't have that option.14:00
wpwrak(origins) yes, that's what i meant14:06
wpwraki renormalize in my tools that i use for pcb milling and such. the centerpiece of them is cameo, http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/cae-tools/source/tree/master/cameo14:07
shevekThat looks very useful.  gnuplot format is just whitespace-separated 3-column data?  What sort of output does it generate for drilling?16:15
shevek(I should really find a way to make this client produce sound when something happens here. :-P)16:16
DocScrutinizer05believe me you won't love that feature, unless you implement something really smart that doesn't wake your neighbors at night when the client yells for every single line posted18:29
DocScrutinizer05a timeout after signal of maybe 10min minimum could pan out18:30
whitequarkwhat?18:30
DocScrutinizer05whitequark: beep on every new post in this channel18:30
DocScrutinizer05whitequark: >>(I should really find a way to make this client produce sound when something happens here.<<18:31
whitequarkoh18:31
DocScrutinizer05one beep for a new line after 15min of no posts at all might work18:32
whitequarkbtw I made a prototype silkscreen stencil CAM18:33
whitequarkturns out I'm terrible with dispensing of the aerosol18:33
whitequarkit too flows under the stencil18:33
whitequarkhmmm, idea: make the stencil out of duct tape. it would nicely glue itself to the board.18:33
whitequarkoooh yes, this is the best one I had entire week18:34
whitequarkthey'd be onetime use only and hard to align though18:34
shevekDocScrutinizer05: I turn off the sound when I'm sleeping, so that shouldn't be a problem. ;-)18:53
DocScrutinizer05well18:58
DocScrutinizer05seems almost every IRC client has that sort of notification you're looking for18:59
DocScrutinizer05when highlight option looks for regex, you use .*18:59
DocScrutinizer05et voila, beep on every line posted19:00
wpwrakshevek: i just output gnuplot again. my mill uses the rml-1 format, a proprietary bastardized version of hp-gl. so i have a program that reads gnuplut and generated rml-1: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/cae-tools/source/tree/master/gp2rml19:04
wpwrakshuold be easy to adapt this to generate gerber19:04
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: ircstat/mlstat: change "milkymist" label to "m-labs" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/b64d46719:06
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: ircstat/ML: update for 2014-02 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/84ad9d419:06
Action: DocScrutinizer05 wonders why putin seems firmly determined to act like an asshat *always*. Support dictators everywhere, act imperialistic like China, and pose like a gay idiot while outlawing free speech that isn't homophobic enough (is this a problem he has with his own?)19:08
whitequarkmy best bet: because he is a deranged, paranoid asshat19:11
whitequarksadly not deranged enough to clearly not be suited for the position19:11
wpwrakreagan, chavez, bush, kirchner, ... i'd rather say a major mental disorder is a job requirement ;-)19:20
wpwrakwell, let's add maduro. not playing in the same league, though19:20
whitequarkkirchner is pretty hot. I'm taking it she's even less qualified as a president then?19:22
whitequarkoh: "Critics of Kirchner's administration charged it with corruption, crony capitalism, falsification of public statistics, harassment of Argentina's independent media and use of the tax agency as a censorship tool."19:22
wpwrakyeah, that's a good introduction19:23
wpwrak"hot" .. in the sense of attractive ? hmm, how do you like merkel ? she's a couple of years younger ...19:24
whitequark:D19:25
whitequarkwow, you're not joking19:25
DocScrutinizer05I wonder if Putin really considered that Ukraine is protected by the atomic forces who guaranteed national integrity for Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine abandoning atomic weapons left over from USSR19:34
whitequarkand what would these atomic forces do against another atomic force, with a deranged paranoic in charge?19:35
DocScrutinizer05basically, when Russia dares to send military to Ukraine, USA, GB, France would have to send troops and weapons to help defend the country against the agressor19:35
DocScrutinizer05and yes, in the end this could cause WW319:36
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: see, the problem is that there are existing treaties between UA and RU which permit this troop movement19:36
whitequarkso while this is clearly provocative, it was agreed upon earlier19:36
DocScrutinizer05movement maybe19:36
whitequarkif it escalates further, yes, it could be a big problem.19:37
DocScrutinizer05indeed19:37
whitequarkit is sad but probably true that US/UK/FR should rather ignore the treaty, or at least not escalate it through military.19:38
DocScrutinizer05russian troops may be allowed to *move* to their Krim base through Ukraine, but what happens when some Krim Tartars don't like that and start shooting at those transports? The russian troops damn sure have no permission to fight civilians (or anybody, on that behalf) on Ukrainian territory19:40
larscif they get attacked first they have an excuse19:41
whitequarkwhich is apparently exactly what is planned19:42
DocScrutinizer05yes, that's what I guess is planned and will cause a shitload of trouble20:17
DocScrutinizer05with no way out20:18
DocScrutinizer05that's why I asked why Putin must act like an asshat every single time he has (or hasn't) a chance to20:19
wpwrakbah, nobody is going to a big war because of a few ukrainians. everybody knows that poland was a mistake. foreign powers have no business in interfering with reasonable politicians settling local issues. like the US did in iraq. all the NRA would agree that guns bring peace and democracy.21:05
DocScrutinizer05~dict nra21:54
whitequarknational rifle association21:55
whitequarka rather radical american right-wing pro-gun organization21:55
DocScrutinizer05I agree that western politicians are most likely too lame to start a war with russia no matter what russia gonna do in ukraine. And that's what Putin-asshat is counting at21:56
infoquarkor something.21:56
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: well, I'd surely hope no one is dumb enough to start a war with RU. we don't need WWIII just yet.21:56
DocScrutinizer05ack21:57
DocScrutinizer05but then that's a carte blanche for dudes like Putin or the chinese trudheads to do whatever they like to their smaller neighbors (btw also for US to do whatever they like anywhere on this planet)21:58
whitequarkI've seen a certain thing voiced: UN was created for one and only one purpose, to keep us from WWIII, at the expense of every non-nuclear state21:59
whitequarkwhich is rather supported with evidence I'd say21:59
DocScrutinizer05at the expense == even by sacrificing ?22:00
whitequarkI guess.22:00
whitequarkI mean, if you think about it: RU has a permanent seat in UN SC. UN by definition cannot prevent anything RU wants to do.22:01
DocScrutinizer05it's a real PITA that RU and US obviously both think they can do whatever they like. So does China22:01
whitequarkI wonder about one thing. US is highly dependent on CN, so they cannot really sanction it without having it backfire22:03
whitequarkhowever RU's economy is rather dependent on the West but not vice versa22:03
whitequarknot that possibility of economic sanctions make me very happy, because that means my life is going to become about 100 times shittier22:04
DocScrutinizer05west is dependent on RU gas22:04
whitequarkUS is?22:04
DocScrutinizer05US maybe not22:04
DocScrutinizer05but EU for sure22:04
whitequarkthough I can see how it would not be possible to enforce such sanctions unilaterally, due to everything being highly interlocked22:04
whitequarknot to mention it's going to wreck oil&gas market this way or another22:05
DocScrutinizer05yep22:05
whitequarkfunny thing: deposits of shale gas of enormous quantity which could lessen or remove EU's dependence on RU are in... UA!22:07
DocScrutinizer05go figure: western politicians hope for Putin not risking his *image* he improved with sotchi and some diplomatic success in syria(?)22:07
whitequarkputin risking his image? is it not that the image putin strives for is "I can fuck you whatever way I want"?22:08
DocScrutinizer05I thought so, yes22:09
whitequarktbh I'm not sure if sochi even improved his image22:10
DocScrutinizer05not really22:10
whitequarkrampant homophobia, absurd levels of corruption22:10
whitequarkI'm sure I missed something22:10
DocScrutinizer05"slaves"22:10
DocScrutinizer05environment damage22:11
whitequarkillegal immigrants, right22:11
nicksydneyKMNO4 and a PCB - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35XBkCElIes&feature=c4-overview&list=UUb-WQjpcQLDoPhoMu2y73iQ22:11
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: (environment) have I missed smth in particular?22:11
whitequarknot that I doubt it did take place22:11
DocScrutinizer05no waste concept22:12
whitequarkoh?22:12
DocScrutinizer05waste gets dumped where#s place for a landfill22:12
whitequarkhm. aren't landfills supposed to have waste dumped in them? and isn't most waste in west going to landfills too?22:13
DocScrutinizer05sure, but not to wld landfills that are selected by "where#s nobody looking?"22:14
DocScrutinizer05wild*22:14
whitequarkah, gotcha22:14
DocScrutinizer05already poisons ground water22:14
whitequark*nod*22:14
whitequarkand I'm sure regulations for construction in general are dating from USSR22:15
DocScrutinizer05and generally it seems all buildings are literally built on sand22:15
whitequarkand I think there was some effort at de-regulating even that, putting it in the hands of industry22:15
whitequarkwhich is BEST. IDEA. EVER22:15
whitequarksomething like, "industry comes up with a standard it likes and then oversees itself implementing it"22:16
whitequarkmove from !" to "#, if I understand it correctly, was about that22:16
DocScrutinizer05hey, that always works22:16
DocScrutinizer05I'm just happy they didn't need to build a nuclear power plant for Sotchi22:17
whitequarkohhhh power plants. my father told me a few stories he's seen while constructing a high-pressure natural gas plant near Moscow22:18
whitequarkI went and drawn a blast radius on a map after hearing those, just in case22:18
whitequarkfascinating things like, there is *no* security checks on vehicles going *in* the plant (security guy: "hey" driver guy: "hey" gate opens), but there is stringent security on vehicles going *out*22:20
whitequarkto ensure nothing is stolen22:20
whitequarkand workers are actually Turkey men on 14-day rotation, the construction company books a charter plane for all of them22:20
whitequark14 days is how long workers can be in RU without registering22:20
whitequarkconstruction (overseed by a reputable western company) should've been taking 1.5 years but is already taking more than 622:21
whitequarketc22:21
whitequarkI've made sure to live no closer than 15km from that station22:21
DocScrutinizer05lol22:31
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