wpwrak | nicksydney: i don't think they did the neo900 layout yet. but you'd have to ask DocScrutinizer05 about that | 02:51 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | no layout for Neo900 yet | 05:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | except the mech ver protos | 05:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | which I haven't even seen the new ones yet | 05:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | those took not too long | 05:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I think Nikolaus said "one day" | 05:42 |
nicksydney | DocScrutinizer05: how long you reckon the proto version took to lay out the board and route ? was wondering how long a project as complex as neo will take to lay and route | 05:44 |
nicksydney | wpwrak: remember the olden days lantern http://www.catchoftheday.com.au/event/29210/product/vintage-style-12-led-lantern-231146 ... this is LED will be interesting to hack it to report power and how much battery left :) | 05:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | another 2 or 3 days | 05:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | depends on a few critical details | 05:46 |
DocScrutinizer05 | layout+routing isn't that hard. The details that need to fit mechanically are the real headache | 05:47 |
nicksydney | DocScrutinizer05: 2-3 days by hand or mix auto routing ? | 05:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | we do autorouting mostly | 05:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | would be insane to route such stuff manually | 05:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | creating footprints however takes much time | 05:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. for the socket for the camera module | 05:50 |
wpwrak | making footprints is kinda fun with fped ;-) | 05:52 |
wpwrak | the hard bit it sometimes to "crack the code" of some drawings, especially complex mechanical parts (e.g., microsd card holders) | 05:55 |
wpwrak | but fped makes it really easy to actually "implement" a design. parametric cad is very useful for such things. | 05:58 |
nicksydney | wpwrak: when i get the chance will try to create a video for fped :) | 05:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'd think eagle has parametric cad too | 05:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | still creating the footprint e.g. for the modem takes half a day easily | 05:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | after all you need to label each single of the 144 pads | 06:00 |
nicksydney | DocScrutinizer05: doesn't the vendor (TI in neo900 case) provide footprint ? | 06:00 |
wpwrak | label ... in the footprint ? | 06:00 |
DocScrutinizer05 | huh? the modem is made by Siemens | 06:00 |
wpwrak | don't they have systematic numbers ? | 06:00 |
DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 06:01 |
DocScrutinizer05 | like... the systematic numbers on a CPU? | 06:02 |
wpwrak | i mean the pads. or do you mean schematics symbols instead of footprints ? | 06:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | a pin number is different thing than the pin label | 06:03 |
wpwrak | yes. but the layout shouldn't have labels | 06:03 |
wpwrak | i mean the footprint | 06:03 |
wpwrak | e.g., a 32-qfn footprint shouldn't care whether pin 5 is "USB_DP", "P0_2", "A17", "nRESET", or whatever the 2^\infty chips of that size may have on that pin | 06:04 |
DocScrutinizer05 | what worth is a footprint that's unconnected to the schemitics? | 06:04 |
wpwrak | the schematics symbol should make that connection | 06:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 06:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | CAD using component libraries | 06:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | EDA rather | 06:06 |
wpwrak | so you clone your 32-QFN for all the chips that have a 32-QFN package ? | 06:06 |
DocScrutinizer05 | meh, need more coffee | 06:06 |
wpwrak | and if you want to edit something, you edit all the clones ? ;-) | 06:06 |
Action: DocScrutinizer05 headdesks | 06:06 | |
DocScrutinizer05 | look at the modem footprint | 06:06 |
wpwrak | like this ? page 3 of http://people.openmoko.org/werner/gta02-core/gta02-core-modules.pdf | 06:08 |
wpwrak | you have to zoom in to be able to read the ball numbers | 06:08 |
wpwrak | the corresponding symbol is on page 14 of http://people.openmoko.org/werner/gta02-core/gta02-core-bom-all.pdf | 06:09 |
wpwrak | or, maybe better, page 14 of http://people.openmoko.org/werner/gta02-core/gta02-core-expanded-all.pdf | 06:10 |
wpwrak | symbol defines label, pin number/name, signal type | 06:10 |
wpwrak | footprint defines the geometry of what goes on the PCB and the corresponding names. nice and clean. | 06:11 |
DocScrutinizer05 | no, this http://wstaw.org/m/2014/01/20/plasma-desktopcD3389.png and this http://wstaw.org/m/2014/01/20/plasma-desktopQJ3389.png | 06:13 |
wpwrak | looks pretty much like the same sort of structure | 06:14 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and in eagle, a component consists of footprint plus schematics symbol since both is tightly linked | 06:14 |
wpwrak | footprint would have P4, P5, ... | 06:15 |
DocScrutinizer05 | know what? I have better things to do than to discuss linguistics with you | 06:15 |
wpwrak | symbol USB_DP -> P5, USB_DN -> P5, ... | 06:15 |
wpwrak | of course, in this case you probably don't have much reuse of the footprint. but for any more common packages there's no point in having signal names at the level of the footprint | 06:16 |
wpwrak | ;-) | 06:16 |
DocScrutinizer05 | juts s/footprint/component library entry/g for my last 50 posts | 06:18 |
DocScrutinizer05 | l8rs | 06:18 |
wpwrak | aah ;-) okay. then we're in agreement :) | 06:21 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and for Eagle, you even want to define properties for each signal, like input|output|voltage|whatnot | 06:21 |
DocScrutinizer05 | for DRC | 06:21 |
DocScrutinizer05 | err ERC | 06:22 |
wpwrak | ah, good. kicad is a bit primitive there. | 06:23 |
wpwrak | it has input/output/etc. but not voltages or such | 06:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | anyway you do all this for each pad of the footprint(sic!) while you draw it, basically. The schem symbol is drawing a rectangle then, and a bit of lable pushing to the right and left side | 06:26 |
DocScrutinizer05 | done in 10 minutes | 06:26 |
DocScrutinizer05 | label pushing | 06:26 |
DocScrutinizer05 | mech eval boards were made 50% for proving the modem footprint | 06:30 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, again footprint since it's the footprint that assigns a signal to a pad | 06:31 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and Nik missed that one of the status signal outputs is OpenCollector and connected it to basis of an LED driver transistor | 06:32 |
DocScrutinizer05 | which reminds me to short that transistor C-B | 06:32 |
DocScrutinizer05 | fun, my first rework on Neo900 | 06:33 |
wpwrak | (footprint) hmm, so is there then another layer for the geometry ? or do you have countless clones of, say, 0603 ? | 06:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I think they are countless clones | 06:34 |
DocScrutinizer05 | like in every CAD | 06:34 |
wpwrak | urgh | 06:34 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I never really bothered. When I need to do a mass edit of a e.g. standard 0603 footprint, I guess I find a sort of global find&replace command | 06:35 |
wpwrak | heh. yes, that's what you need then. with a filter of what exactly you want changed. elegant ;-) | 06:36 |
DocScrutinizer05 | but maybe there's even an abstraction layer in between | 06:36 |
DocScrutinizer05 | dunno | 06:36 |
wpwrak | that would help | 06:36 |
DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I never want to change all 0603 | 06:37 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I maybe want to change the 0603 footprint geometry for one component series | 06:37 |
wpwrak | think of things like pcb making improving and you want a thinner line on the silk screen. that would be a "safe" change to apply everywhere | 06:38 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, how sane would it be to have same footprint geometry template/macro for 0603R and 0603 LED? | 06:38 |
wpwrak | generally works for me :) | 06:38 |
wpwrak | well, we have 0603 and 0603P - the latter is polarized | 06:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, since you don't know about stuff like "no traces area" under the component, in kicad | 06:39 |
wpwrak | of course, if you want a little LED symbol in silk screen or such, then you need a specific footprint | 06:39 |
wpwrak | yeah, keepout areas in footprints could be useful indeed | 06:40 |
wpwrak | could be that this already exists in the depths of the new layout format. there's a glacially slow transition of file formats in kicad from the old "simple" formats to more extensible ones, along with a bunch of new features | 06:41 |
wpwrak | alas, the transition is so sluggish that it would be a pain to try to keep up. so i'm just waiting until some major blocks are finished before digging into making use of them | 06:42 |
wpwrak | fped has a somewhat more abstract view anyway. you basically define geometries and then it combines things into the "objects" kicad uses. e.g., pad + hole = plated through-hole (unless you specifically ask for something else) | 06:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I think similar multilevel macros are available in eagle too | 06:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | maybe worth checking out the free trial version of eagle, just to have a peep into neighbor's garden? | 06:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/01/20/plasma-desktopgu3389.png | 07:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/01/20/plasma-desktopus3389.png | 07:08 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/01/20/plasma-desktopUa3389.png | 07:14 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/01/20/plasma-desktopqD3389.png | 07:19 |
wpwrak | looks pretty similar to what we have in kicad. have you ever used it ? | 07:56 |
viric | Eagle is the only pcb software I used in linux | 07:58 |
wpwrak | non-Free is bad for your karma :) | 07:59 |
viric | I only used tango in dos, and eagle in linux, in fact. All, more than 15 years ago. The demo version was bound to a board size, which was enough for my needs. | 07:59 |
viric | wpwrak: I met a grandgrandaughter of Yrigoyen, last november. | 08:01 |
viric | it feels like something important. :) | 08:02 |
wpwrak | ;-)) | 08:05 |
wpwrak | i live on a street named after him :) (i could almost say "avenue", but it changes type a few meters from my place) | 08:06 |
viric | she was lied by her family, that she was such an important person | 08:07 |
viric | she discovered that only after the dead of her parents, by finding impossible information in her family archives. | 08:08 |
viric | (like her grandmother giving birth to his father at 65) | 08:09 |
wpwrak | heh ;-) | 08:10 |
viric | she contracted a professional genealogy research, and they found the real path | 08:11 |
wpwrak | but what did they lie about ? so they didn't tell her she was a descentant of yrigoyen ? why hide that ? | 08:11 |
viric | it seems they were very ashamed of having bounds with Yrigoyen | 08:11 |
viric | by her description, she felt like the 'black sheep' in a fascistoid family | 08:12 |
wpwrak | odd. he seems to have been a pretty decent president. | 08:13 |
viric | I guess there was diversity of opinions about that :) | 08:15 |
wpwrak | and not exactly a fascist either ... | 08:15 |
viric | sure, hence the hidding | 08:15 |
viric | The fascistoid were her parents, not Yrigoyen | 08:15 |
wpwrak | ah, i see | 08:15 |
wpwrak | yes, the fascist may rightfully have considered him a sub-par president :) | 08:16 |
viric | on Saturday I released a new 'filegive' btw. Better and better. | 08:17 |
wpwrak | it's time to make a "fileget" that uses the NSA infrastructure to also acquire files you're not supposed to be able to get :) | 08:23 |
viric | :) | 08:24 |
viric | In fact I dislike all about 'security'. I find it very very boring. | 08:26 |
DocScrutinizer05 | WTF Yrigoyen | 11:38 |
wpwrak | a former president of argentina, Hipolito Yrigoyen. i live on a street that's named after him. | 11:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and, any special reason to mention that today? | 11:46 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, I probably don't live in a street named after Saint Kanal, but if it was I'd wonder why to talk about it | 11:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | did you publish your adress recently? | 11:48 |
Action: DocScrutinizer05 suspects that viric noticed the name of street where wpwrak lives, but then why would wpwrak state again that he does. | 11:49 | |
wpwrak | viric met a descendent of yrigoyen and was impressed by that. not sure if he knew that i live on that street. | 11:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, the waitress in "my" cafe a few years back been the daughter of our ministry of wealth | 11:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | errr health | 11:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | it actually eventually felt a bit strange, when the mother drove on backseat of those bulletproof sedans and the daughter worked in a (hippie) cafe | 11:53 |
wpwrak | nice ;-) | 11:54 |
wpwrak | and would be even nicer if she had been the daughter of a "minister of wealth" :) | 11:54 |
DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 11:54 |
viric | I had no idea about the street | 11:54 |
DocScrutinizer05 | seems in my case mother and daughter also were not too fond about each other ;-). I'm pretty sure about the daughter | 11:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | well, at least she didn't like to talk about her mother | 11:58 |
DocScrutinizer05 | probably different political party | 11:58 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 11:58 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think her mother lied to her though, about her own job and political prefrences | 11:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 12:00 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulla_Schmidt | 12:01 |
DocScrutinizer05 | oops sorry - http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renate_Schmidt | 12:09 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so no minister of wealth/health, only "Vizepräsidentin des Deutschen Bundestages" and vice chief of SPD fraction of Deutscher Bundestag | 12:13 |
DocScrutinizer05 | HAH! >>1961 - 1980: Programmiererin, Systemanalytikerin<< | 12:16 |
whitequark | DocScrutinizer05, wpwrak: does AgO actually conduct as well as pure Ag? | 12:50 |
whitequark | I heard that quite a lot of times, that Ag is used for contact coating for this reason | 12:50 |
whitequark | as the oxide won't heat up more than the pure metal, therefore not causing contact welding | 12:50 |
whitequark | but I can't actually find any sources to back that claim. | 12:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | never heard that | 12:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | plausible though | 13:00 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the anode pads on LCD are what? SnO2 ? | 13:01 |
whitequark | dunno, also silver-metal oxides conduct quite well apparently | 13:02 |
whitequark | found this: http://jes.ecsdl.org/content/143/9/2741.abstract | 13:02 |
whitequark | AgO films have Á of ~12 ©cm | 13:02 |
whitequark | for copper: http://www.researchgate.net/publication/40804795_Electrical_resistivity_of_copper_oxide_thin_films_prepared_by_reactive_magnetron_sputtering/file/9fcfd5107e1bc6eeac.pdf | 13:03 |
whitequark | CuO films: Á of 10t-10v ©cm | 13:03 |
nicksydney | Some crazy person just gave robots their own Internet - http://www.dvice.com/2014-1-15/some-crazy-person-just-gave-robots-their-own-internet | 21:26 |
whitequark | such sensationalistic bullshit | 21:29 |
larsc | totally crazy | 21:44 |
larsc | ;) | 21:44 |
nicksydney | new EUR 19.98 -- Arietta G25 -- http://www.acmesystems.it/arietta .. interesting | 21:47 |
whitequark | it's not exactly impressive | 21:48 |
nicksydney | whitequark: which part you think is not impressive ? is it the speed of MCU ? | 21:49 |
whitequark | boards based on Allwinner have much nicer specs with comparable price | 21:50 |
larsc | the bang for your buck | 21:50 |
larsc | (is not that impressive) | 21:51 |
whitequark | A10 boards are usually 2x or so more expensive, but when you add the WiFi module, the difference shrinks considerably | 21:54 |
wpwrak | allwinner may be harder to source and to get docs. do they publish them now ? | 21:54 |
whitequark | and A10 boards almost always have ethernet, wifi, hdmi, and all other goodies | 21:55 |
whitequark | wpwrak: (harder to source) based on the amount of projects using their chips, appears that it's easy | 21:55 |
whitequark | (docs) rz2k would know firsthand | 21:55 |
whitequark | he works with Allwinner boards and is quite pleased with them afaik. | 21:56 |
wpwrak | the atmel is available from digi-key. that's a big advantage. wish they had more of the "deep asia" products. | 21:58 |
whitequark | http://www.aliexpress.com/item/wholesale-A10-chip-ALL-WINNER-TECH-A10-bga-chips-for-HD-Video-processing-chip-C4091CA-2531/919723155.html | 21:59 |
nicksydney | whitequark: (AllWinner) no they don't publish the docs .. even for their current Octa Core they don't .... but Tom Cubie might have access to it as he is planning a board for it | 22:00 |
whitequark | or in US: https://www.olimex.com/Products/Components/IC/ | 22:01 |
wpwrak | whitequark: if you take the aliexpress route you have to verify the vendor and maybe their supply chain. or else you may some day get a box of fake parts. no fun. | 22:01 |
whitequark | you can even get them in LQFP! | 22:01 |
wpwrak | "2 Pravda St." -- US ? ;-) | 22:02 |
wpwrak | they're in bulgaria | 22:02 |
whitequark | eh? | 22:02 |
wpwrak | you should be able to recognize your former comrades ;-) | 22:02 |
whitequark | oh, I always thought Olimex was an US company. either way | 22:02 |
whitequark | they're not the ones to screw you over | 22:02 |
wpwrak | no, they're definitely good guys | 22:02 |
wpwrak | didn't know they're now selling chips. that's nice. | 22:03 |
wpwrak | alas, no data sheets there either | 22:05 |
nicksydney | whitequark: rockchip is coming to the surface fast and furious too .. competing head to head with AllWinner | 22:05 |
whitequark | wpwrak: there's quite some docs: http://linux-sunxi.org/Category:A10_Register_guide | 22:05 |
whitequark | also: http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/A10/ | 22:06 |
whitequark | http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/A13/ has what appears to be a proper reference manual | 22:07 |
whitequark | oh, A10 too. | 22:07 |
nicksydney | if we use Intel chips they will pay us to do it now -- http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57617440-92/behind-in-tablets-intel-pays-firms-to-use-its-chips/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title | 22:07 |
wpwrak | user manual ... decrypted ;-) | 22:08 |
whitequark | nicksydney: that's a pretty strong reason to not use Intel chips | 22:08 |
whitequark | I mean, if they were any good, why'd Intel pay? ;) | 22:08 |
whitequark | wpwrak: I guess Allwinner is fine with that :D | 22:08 |
wpwrak | good stuff, thanks ! | 22:09 |
whitequark | I'm pretty sure it omits some interesting parts... GPU ;) | 22:11 |
wpwrak | hmm, some things are seriously undocumented, though. e.g., the SD3.0 controller | 22:12 |
whitequark | it's just like ingenic isn't it? | 22:12 |
wpwrak | ingenic is fairly complete. sd/mmc is definitely there, and in great detail. | 22:13 |
whitequark | I think audio was lacking. something surely was | 22:13 |
whitequark | also this: https://github.com/OLIMEX/OLINUXINO/tree/master/HARDWARE | 22:14 |
whitequark | https://twitter.com/rz2k/status/425390792350633984 | 22:15 |
wpwrak | good, so they have found SD somewhere | 22:15 |
whitequark | likely in allwinner source drops | 22:16 |
wpwrak | yeah, that sounds like a likely source | 22:16 |
nicksydney | whitequark: like that....if you can't get a hold of the person in IRC .. tweet that person not email them :) | 22:17 |
whitequark | well I knew he was on twitter | 22:17 |
nicksydney | wpwrak: are you on twitter ? | 22:24 |
nicksydney | wpwrak: thinking of making with AllWinner A10 something like this http://www.warpboard.org/ :) | 22:26 |
wpwrak | was once, but only briefly | 22:26 |
nicksydney | wpwrak: aww....what changed ? | 22:28 |
nicksydney | wpwrak: do you follow arm-netbook mailing list / | 22:28 |
nicksydney | whitequark: do you play with any AllWinner or Rockchip board ? | 22:30 |
whitequark | nope | 22:30 |
whitequark | I prefer smaller chips to play with | 22:30 |
wpwrak | (twitter) didn't really find it useful | 22:32 |
wpwrak | (arm-netbook) nope | 22:33 |
whitequark | twitter is... an acquired taste :) | 22:33 |
wpwrak | and most of the lists i'm subscribed to i hardly even look at ;-) | 22:33 |
nicksydney | whitequark: when smaller in what sense ? | 22:37 |
nicksydney | wpwrak: i'm sure qi-hardware is not one of those "list i don't look at" :) | 22:37 |
whitequark | nicksydney: less complex. cortexen-m instead of cortexen-a. | 22:38 |
nicksydney | whitequark: cool...what board you got ? | 22:41 |
whitequark | nicksydney: there's stm32's discovery boards and maple leaf, and a bunch of custom ones for various tasks | 22:43 |
whitequark | also, with cortexen-m being much easier to design for and assemble, there's less focus on a board as a self-contained component | 22:44 |
nicksydney | i have one of this http://www.cutedigi.com/development-tools/arm-cortex-development-board/arm-cortex-m3-mini-stm32-dev-board-2-4-tft-lcd-touchscreen.html | 22:45 |
nicksydney | yeah ever since i found anelok i have a great fond for M0 now :).. before I was into M3 | 22:45 |
nicksydney | the package size impress me | 22:45 |
Action: whitequark cringes at comic sans ms | 22:46 | |
whitequark | package size? m3 comes into tiny packages as well | 22:46 |
nicksydney | i mean M0 is very small compared to M3 | 22:48 |
nicksydney | M3 is bit bigger no ? | 22:48 |
nicksydney | unless if you look at Energy Micro chip..they are damn small even for M3 | 22:48 |
nicksydney | SiLabs they are called now sorry :) | 22:48 |
whitequark | it's a smaller core in the sense it uses slightly less silicon, but nothing in m3 really requires much bigger packages | 22:49 |
whitequark | package size today is determined by the pin count, not core size | 22:49 |
nicksydney | ahh ok | 22:53 |
nicksydney | the more pin count the bigger the package size are | 22:53 |
nicksydney | i like BGA it's very tiny BUT it's a pain to solder | 22:53 |
whitequark | and a pain to make boards for. can you even have BGA with two-layer boards? | 22:54 |
whitequark | qfn-48 can be pretty tiny too | 22:54 |
nicksydney | yeah qfn is the best bet next to QFP | 22:54 |
nicksydney | still need to learn how to solder QFN | 22:54 |
nicksydney | :0 | 22:54 |
nicksydney | have you done QFN soldering before ? | 22:55 |
whitequark | yep | 22:55 |
whitequark | both with soldering iron and hot air | 22:56 |
whitequark | can be a little tricky, but not much more tricky than say lqfp | 22:56 |
whitequark | less chance for solder bridges, but harder to place properly | 22:56 |
nicksydney | will be interesting to go through the process of doing it myself when i get the KL chip | 22:58 |
nicksydney | wpwrak: for flashing to anelok you use OpenOCD right ? forgot if we have a doc for it ? | 23:08 |
mknight | MKRAND - A Quantum Cellular Randomness Well : http://www.tag.md/public/mkrand-TA1.tar.gz | 23:11 |
wpwrak | nicksydney: no, i use the file-based flasher of the frdm-kl25z board | 23:15 |
nicksydney | lost there..so how is the pin configuration between anelok and the kl25z board ? | 23:15 |
wpwrak | the board contains a programmer circuit. that circuit can either program the chip on the board or one you connect on the outside. | 23:16 |
wpwrak | i use that programmer circuit. the SWD is some jtag variant and therefore a bit complex, and support for it in openocd and such doesn't seem to be very smooth just yet. | 23:17 |
wpwrak | so i took the approach that would get me results in the fastest way. eventually i'll want to get rid of the board. but there's no rush. | 23:17 |
wpwrak | also, i can make a dfu boot loader for the kl25, which would eliminate the board for anything but the boot loader updates (which should be very rare, typically only once in the life of a board) | 23:18 |
nicksydney | can you tell me what to connect where in terms of interface the kl25 with anelok ? | 23:23 |
nicksydney | want to try it once i'm able to get the KL QFN chip | 23:23 |
wpwrak | SWD_DIO, SWD_CLK, nRESET, VDD, GND. that's all you need. | 23:24 |
wpwrak | you can see the connection here: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/anelok/tmp/brd0-d1-top.jpg | 23:25 |
wpwrak | and here's the continuation: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/anelok/tmp/brd0-d1-bot.jpg | 23:26 |
nicksydney | ok cool...that will do for now...once it's up and running will need your help again :) | 23:29 |
wpwrak | hehe :) | 23:31 |
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