#qi-hardware IRC log for Saturday, 2014-01-04

larscyes, this has been fixed in upstream00:08
larscpatches got applied in the wrong order00:08
derRichardbut did not hit linus' tree so far00:08
larsc3.1400:08
derRichardi'm on linus' tree as of today00:09
derRichardlarsc: where can i find the said patches?00:12
larscin the qi kernel00:15
derRichardgit://projects.qi-hardware.com/qi-kernel.git?00:16
larscyes00:21
whitequark... apparently sending stuff fron CN to US and then to RU is faster than fron CN to RU directly00:57
wpwrak_whitequark: toy arrived ?01:35
whitequarkwpwrak_: nay, but I've been tracking several other parcels01:37
whitequarkand it takes them slightly less than 7 days to arrive to the warehouse in US, compared to ~20-25 for my house in RU01:38
whitequarktoy has arrived to the warehouse already, I'm waiting for several other items to get there01:38
wpwrak_ah, so they're bundling them01:39
whitequarkyes, that lowers the cost for US->RU delivery considerably01:39
wpwrak_makes sense - send only one container instead of a lot of boxes :)01:39
whitequarkhttps://static.shopotam.ru/ebay/uploads/store_photos/4/5/3/7080453_5a21f7512a6f7f202a170b10842832251cd5cd79.jpg01:39
whitequarkone thing I don't understand: for some reason fedex lists the weight as 35lbs=15kg, but shopotam says it's 21kg01:40
wpwrak_maybe their weighted it and someone made an error01:43
whitequarkperhaps01:44
DocScrutinizer05some limits? as in "(less than or) 21kg"?02:36
rz2kwhitequark: whats in the box? :p03:11
whitequarkrz2k: http://www.ebay.com/itm/17079473968703:23
rz2kwhitequark: nice, what will be your application of this cnc?04:14
whitequarkrz2k: PCB drilling and milling04:32
whitequarkand anything else I will think about :)04:32
rz2kwhitequark: will it be available for rent? :p I can help with consumables like drills/whatever05:28
whitequarkrz2k: totally06:00
whitequarkby the way, I'm looking to reimplement its controller box, partly because it sucks (I need a hardware LPT port, UGH), partly as an exercise in both hw and sw06:01
whitequark(I want to write the firmware in a sane, memory-safe language, that is, Rust :p)06:01
whitequarkso we could collaborate on that06:01
nicksydneywpwrak_ / DocScrutinizer05 ... what's new ?10:58
nicksydney:)10:58
nicksydneywas damn hot over here during the day10:58
nicksydneybut cooler at night 10:58
DocScrutinizer05funny netsplit11:00
DocScrutinizer05freenode broke into at least 3 pieces11:00
DocScrutinizer05prolly rather 3011:00
nicksydneyyikes ! 11:01
nicksydneyLED whell 2.0 http://ctrlv.in/278985  :)11:04
nicksydneymuch better than last night.....last night was so sleepy that i delete the whole thing as it was not working properly turns out i check some settings that throws error 'footprint cannot be found' duh :)11:05
nicksydneywpwrak_: ping 11:15
nicksydneywpwrak_: need your expert help on kicad :)11:15
nicksydneyok found how to set the track width for all the tracks11:32
Action: nicksydney wonder where everybody is 12:55
larscrecovering from friday night ;)12:58
nicksydneymiss those days ! :)13:05
wpwrak_nicksydney: now, add a little MCU to make then blink :)13:14
wpwrak_since you already have the FRDM-KL25Z ... :)13:15
wpwrak_nice, there's now a FRDM-KL26Z. should eliminate the firmware guesswork. silly that it's more expensive, though. i think the chips are just the same.13:17
nicksydneywpwrak_: http://ctrlv.in/279006 ... after copper pour :)13:18
nicksydneyhttp://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=FRDM-KL26Z --> Page not found  :)13:19
nicksydneyhttp://www.digikey.com.au/product-detail/en/FRDM-KL26Z/FRDM-KL26Z-ND/4234022 --> $18 ?? .. nahh...they should sell it for $14 :)13:20
wpwrak_ah no, they added a few more things. a light sensor and a button.13:20
nicksydneyahh 2 new item and extra $4 :)13:20
wpwrak_ah, AUD 18. I see USD 15 :)13:20
wpwrak_the '25 was USD 13. oh well.13:21
nicksydneysounds like a good idea of using the '25 for the LED wheel :)13:22
wpwrak_and the accelerometer now also has a 3-axis compass13:23
nicksydneyso thinking of getting it ?13:24
wpwrak_if you don't have a '25 yet, you may want to switch to the '26. i'd think they'll replace the '25 with the '26 as soon as they can. they're almost identical but the 26 is slightly better.13:26
nicksydneyae you thinking of launching kickstarter campaign for anelok ?13:30
wpwrak_may get the '26 board on my next order. just so that i can tell people "this really works with linux and there's no way you could have an ancient firmware version" :)13:34
wpwrak_not kickstarter, but something like the neo900 campaign looks interesting13:35
nicksydneywpwrak_: hahaah.....support Freescale all the way :)13:36
nicksydneywpwrak_: when you thinking of launching the campaign ?13:36
nicksydneyi was thinking ... what can we do with anelok and Android 13:36
nicksydneyperhaps bluetooth pairing it with Android device and for backup or something  ?13:37
Action: nicksydney think tomorrow (if managed to squeeze time) will be etching time again :)13:37
wpwrak_not sure about the time yet. first i need to make another prototype with all the hardware changes piled up from board 0. and there's still some examining to do for power consumption.13:40
wpwrak_once that is done, i can either hand-make a small number of "alpha" test boards if anyone is interested in helping with developing software and such. or skip this step and make directly a small "beta" series.13:41
DocScrutinizer05nicksydney: you definitely want to rotate some LEDs 180°13:42
wpwrak_the beta series would need financing. financing also needs a "corporate" structure. to avoid tax traps i'd also need someone in a country with reasonable and predictable laws to handle the money.13:42
DocScrutinizer05nicksydney: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/01/04/plasma-desktophq3389.png just for dunno what13:44
nicksydneywpwrak_: sign me up for "alpha" tester :)13:46
wpwrak_e.g., in argentina there are some laws that oblige companies to transfer income abroad into the country. they don't affect me now but who knows if they would if larger amounts are involved. and of course, the money would be converted at the "official rate", something like 50% below market value, then subject to a > 30% p.a. inflation/devaluation, and nearly impossible to spend on anything outside argentina. so that's basically a one-13:47
wpwrak_way street. definitely something i'd avoid.13:47
nicksydneyi'm waiting for the local hackerspace to have a group buy from digikey so i can also put my order in for the '25 MCU for anelok and few components too...as shipping is really killing13:47
nicksydneyDocScrutinizer05: nice....will rotate and see how it will look13:48
wpwrak_how expensive is digi-key shipping to .au ?13:48
nicksydney$3413:49
nicksydney FREE SHIPPING on Orders of $200 AUD and greater. 13:49
nicksydneywpwrak_:  you need to move to China or Thailand13:50
nicksydneythe guy that run cnx-software.com lives in Thailand 13:50
nicksydneyi think China would be better for you as you will be closer to the 'electronic hub' and shipping will be cheaper once you make other products13:51
nicksydneynot to mention business tax and setup is very easy in Chian13:52
wpwrak_nicksydney: ($34, free shipping) oh, and you're still complaining ...13:52
nicksydneyUnemployed in Europe Hobbled by Lack of Technology Skills --> http://www.cnbc.com/id/101308843 ...anyone from Europe can attest to this news :)13:52
nicksydneywpwrak_: i always complain when i have to pay for shipping ... i'm a *STRONG* believe in free shipping .. hehehe13:53
wpwrak_here it's a flat USD 40. which is actually great. it used to be a lot more some time ago.13:53
nicksydneyebay is my supplier :)13:53
nicksydneyDocScrutinizer05: in your pic http://wstaw.org/m/2014/01/04/plasma-desktophq3389.png ... the topmost part of that track..that's for the + of the battery ?13:54
DocScrutinizer05err, prolly yes13:55
DocScrutinizer05depends on direction of LEDs you place them13:55
wpwrak_(lack of skills) yeah right, better get some high tech savvy fieldhands from vietnam or wherever they're recruiting the $1/day workers now :-)13:55
wpwrak_the problem seems to be more that companies don't want to invest in training. so you get three tyoes: 1) those who still do and thus can operate. 2) those can get someone else do it for them (state or sometimes 1), and thus can operate. 3) those who have neither and thus only complain. since complaints of a dysfunctional company are rarely paid much attention to, one can reasonably assume that 3) is the empty set and the complaints c13:58
wpwrak_ome simply from companies of type 1) who want to become 2), or 2) who are still greedy.13:58
nicksydneywpwrak_: i find lots of people in IT whom I have met are really not interested to move forward in honing their skills...either they are complaining that it's hard to keep up and want to move to roles such as managers/team lead14:01
nicksydneyi don't find any value in people having skills such as project managers or architect..they are wasting my breathing space and instead of helping they are blocking progress14:02
larscIf they had skills in those areas they probably wouldn't block your progress14:04
nicksydneylarsc: that's the problem....they think they have the skills and org are only blinded by the fact that resume says they do have but in reality they don't have the proper EI (Emotional Intelligence) to run a team or project14:05
whitequarka good poject manager is a difference between a dead project and a successful one14:05
nicksydneywhitequark: very true....only found 2 of those quality PM in my career...the rest are just stupid people who knows how to talk bs14:09
larscwho manages the managers?14:13
nicksydneylarsc: ha..that's even worse14:13
nicksydneylarsc: if you follow the chain of command to the Cxx level that's even worst !14:14
nicksydney"let's save $1M by moving to MySQL from DB2 but let's not spend the existing DBA for MySQL training ...let the DBA learn everything by himself" managers :)14:14
zrafa_metalfreak: hey14:18
nicksydneywpwrak_: i like the way atusb schematics was layout here --> http://projects.qi-hardware.com/schhist/atusb/ 14:29
nicksydneyis that like a schematics 'diff' ?14:29
wpwrak_exactly14:37
nicksydneyyou do go the whole 9 yards :)14:40
nicksydneywpwrak_: if say for example we connect anelok via bluetooth to an Android device and we use it as backup of all data from anelok ? is that a "make sense" or "usable" use case ?14:55
wpwrak_well, anelok already has uSD and USB, so backup is not a problem14:59
wpwrak_but yes, one could add more communication options15:00
nicksydneycool....sounds good...will put something together later15:02
nicksydneytime to hit the bed...see you15:02
DocScrutinizer05https://github.com/elvanderb/TCP-3276421:14
larscanother factory configuration interface21:32
DocScrutinizer05wide open21:49
DocScrutinizer05prints all passwords in plaintext when asked in stern voice21:50
wpwrak_security is important. that's why we have none ;-)21:51
larscit's so easy to make mistakes when implementing security features, that's why we have none ;)22:07
DocScrutinizer05could somebody please try to send a file via DCC?22:24
viricDocScrutinizer05: use filegive! :)23:05
DocScrutinizer05thanks, I'm served23:05
DocScrutinizer05managed to config my TWO fsckn NATs to allow DCC23:06
DocScrutinizer05and SIP \o/23:06
DocScrutinizer05on THREE clients23:06
viricthere you go.23:07
DocScrutinizer05traceroute to ct.de (193.99.144.77), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets using UDP23:09
DocScrutinizer05 1  192.168.4.1 (192.168.4.1)  0.934 ms   0.835 ms   0.826 ms23:09
DocScrutinizer05 2  192.168.178.1 (192.168.178.1)  1.797 ms   2.512 ms   2.073 ms23:09
DocScrutinizer05 3  ppp-default.m-online.net (82.135.16.28)  26.327 ms   26.745 ms   26.463 ms23:09
DocScrutinizer05;-)23:09
larsc`telnet 82.135.16.28 32764` ;)23:12
DocScrutinizer05tell me what you find, this is my DSL-multiplexer in my ISPs exchange23:16
DocScrutinizer05or is this called concentrator?23:17
larscyour isp NATs you?23:17
DocScrutinizer05nope23:18
DocScrutinizer05hop nr1 and nr2 are my local NATs23:19
DocScrutinizer053:  "Broadcom161.24 2B5004244434 D7631302 E00"23:19
DocScrutinizer05the DSL "far end"23:20
DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2014/01/05/plasma-desktopgs3389.png23:21
DocScrutinizer05the FritzBox is a true nightmare of mickeymouse GUI with "user friendly reduction of configuration parameters"23:23
DocScrutinizer05nit even unix port513 logging23:23
DocScrutinizer05not23:23
DocScrutinizer05actually no decent logging at all23:24
DocScrutinizer05and this shite allegedly is FOSS23:24
rohwhy use it then?23:34
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