DocScrutinizer05 | wpwrak: not beer at 35°, but fridge that works absorber with gas heating (some even can take candle for power source ;-D ) | 00:53 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | during daytime probably even solar power will work to freeze your beer, the more sun the colder | 00:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | you find those critters in mobile homes aka campers usually | 00:54 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nice design: not a single moving part (except door) | 00:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so i guess that's what you call "solid state" | 00:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_refrigerator | 00:57 |
wpwrak | heh, i know that type. my parents had one. "early years of the 20th century" bah, well into the 1980es | 01:10 |
wpwrak | solar panels are risky, though. we get rather strong winds around here. and intense hailstorms. | 01:11 |
wpwrak | so fixed solar panels would get smashed about 3 times per year. unless you make them considerably stronger than a car roof. movable panels could become victims of those little tornados. | 01:12 |
roh | well... do the math. around here if your building is big enough and you need enough thermal power even small gas motors with exhaust power reuse make sense economically | 01:13 |
wpwrak | yeah, most blackouts are well below 24 hours. and the big ones are highly clustered. so a permanent installation doesn't really make sense. | 01:17 |
roh | i see... well.. buy a high powered generator, sit it out on gas | 01:18 |
roh | or is there a reliable natural gas grid? | 01:18 |
wpwrak | possibly. so far it was reliable but i don't know at what point it may fail, too | 01:20 |
wpwrak | and no, i wouldn't get a BIG one. i'm not strong enough to move around a 100 kg machine | 01:21 |
wpwrak | besides, the bigger ones are shit quality | 01:21 |
wpwrak | whis one looks nice, though: http://www.yamahaef2000is.com/ | 01:22 |
wpwrak | alas, cost almost 3x as much as a cheap one with similar characteristics | 01:22 |
roh | big is from my perspective 5-15kw | 01:25 |
roh | enough to power an normal nerd household | 01:25 |
roh | basically a small 3-phase power generator with electric starter | 01:25 |
wpwrak | 5 kW+ is huge. not movable. | 01:25 |
roh | something which could, combined with ups could turn on automatically | 01:26 |
roh | sure.. 5kw is small.. think honda with a handle | 01:26 |
roh | 1-5 | 01:26 |
wpwrak | yeah, right. i'm not trying to build a cult around the power failures :) | 01:26 |
roh | 15 is like a small air compressor. 2 wheels and a handle | 01:26 |
wpwrak | about 150-200 kg, i guess | 01:27 |
wpwrak | or very very very expensive but a but lighter | 01:27 |
wpwrak | already the cheap 2 kW ones are about 50 kg | 01:27 |
wpwrak | 7.5 kW .. 92 kg | 01:29 |
wpwrak | that's the top of that range. let's see what the competition has ... | 01:29 |
wpwrak | ah, here's one: 16 kV, 176 kg | 01:32 |
wpwrak | but indeed, that one could also supply most of my air conditioners ;-) | 01:33 |
roh | hm. the last small honda i handled we carried up stairs with 2 or 3 persons | 01:33 |
roh | about 5kw, 2 phase output | 01:33 |
wpwrak | 2-3 persons for 50 kg that sounds about right | 01:34 |
roh | shouldnt 5kw already be enough when you leave the airco out of the picture? | 01:34 |
roh | that was the last big outage i remember in berlin | 01:34 |
roh | about 5-7 years ago.. about 1 hour... | 01:35 |
wpwrak | now, when power fails, i would either have to summon people to my place to carry the generator up to the terrace, kinda difficult if the power is out | 01:35 |
wpwrak | or drag it there myself | 01:35 |
roh | we took the event to start up and then service the generator... the battery was dead.. so we carried it to a car and bridged them | 01:35 |
DocScrutinizer05 | or ake it that big that nobody ever will move it away from terrace | 01:35 |
wpwrak | 2 kW should be enough for the PC and screens. that's what i'm aiming for. A/C is too far out. | 01:35 |
roh | put it in a shack on the terrace | 01:35 |
DocScrutinizer05 | make* | 01:35 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I'm also looking for a nice handy 2kW | 01:36 |
wpwrak | DocScrutinizer05: don't forget the elements. these things are usually not designed for prolonged outdoors use | 01:36 |
wpwrak | the yamaha looks kinda nice. quiet, modern technology | 01:36 |
DocScrutinizer05 | meh, give it a plastic hood | 01:36 |
wpwrak | tank is a bit small | 01:36 |
wpwrak | plastic + wind = no plastic :) | 01:37 |
DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 01:37 |
roh | wpwrak: or buy a big one and sell the power to the neighbours by the kwH | 01:39 |
wpwrak | hehe :) | 01:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is wrong with Europe or with yamaha? http://www.pfau-motorgeraete.de/Stromerzeuger/Stromerzeuger-EF2000iS-Yamaha--507.html | 01:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | 1000$ vs 2000EUR | 01:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | well 1700EUR | 01:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the Yamaha looks nice | 01:56 |
wpwrak | nice taxes. EUR 1700 looks actually more expensive than in argentina :) | 01:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | well, a little searching made that more like 1300 | 02:07 |
whitequark | wpwrak: your air conditioners ? | 03:07 |
whitequark | how many do you need | 03:08 |
wpwrak | whitequark: naw, i just want my pc to have power. i can survive without air conditioning. drink more water, take more showers :) | 03:20 |
wpwrak | well, pc, and if it's a really long blackout, also the fridge | 03:20 |
whitequark | spoken by a true geek | 03:24 |
whitequark | "the beer must flow" ? :p | 03:24 |
wpwrak | yeah :) | 03:26 |
wpwrak | beer is important. liquid carbohydrates. because, without power, it's 14 floors down to go shopping, then 14 floors up again | 03:27 |
whitequark | maybe you could arrange a series of ropes and pulleys. a makeshift elevator. | 03:28 |
whitequark | and (unless you're suicidal) you would need an accomplice below | 03:29 |
wpwrak | hmm, why do i have to think of this ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzAtimGNVsQ | 03:32 |
DocScrutinizer05 | God! watched 3 movies on youtube, now I feel nausea | 03:48 |
whitequark | "doctor, if I press here, it hurts" "don't do that, then" | 03:53 |
larsc_ | quiet day | 17:10 |
wpwrak | indeed | 17:16 |
larsc_ | must be holiday season | 17:16 |
wpwrak | well, DocScrutinizer05 is probably busy with neo900, whitequark should be in the middle of the customary pre-fueling sessions, apelete may be celebrating that m-usb works, a bunch of people may be busy preparing for CCC, ... | 17:17 |
whitequark | pre-fueling ? | 17:18 |
wpwrak | the process where you replace bodily water with low-grade vodka, to prepare for the serious stuff of the holidays | 17:26 |
Action: whitequark sighs | 17:28 | |
wpwrak | sorry, russian stereotypes are just way too much fun to not make fun of them ;-) | 17:29 |
wpwrak | apropos stereotypes, this is by far the best video on russian street life i've seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-l4w-DIiXk | 17:45 |
whitequark | thank you for reminding me why I will never ever drive | 18:16 |
larsc_ | teleportation is so much cheaper anyway | 18:37 |
whitequark | public transport ? | 18:37 |
larsc_ | mass to energy conversion ;) | 18:39 |
larsc_ | matter of course | 18:40 |
wpwrak | whitequark: those folks seem to really enjoy driving :) | 18:41 |
whitequark | wpwrak: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Muv7Suqut0E | 18:44 |
larsc_ | they stayed quite calm | 18:46 |
whitequark | dialogue after the impact: "[expletive] awesome... [idiomatic expletive meaning "copulating cats"], [expletive]... we're swimming... wow, [expletive]... where are we swimming? to the shore, [expletive]. straight? to the shore. don't touch the steering wheel" | 18:52 |
whitequark | ([expletive] because it's impossible to translate while preserving the fine details of meaning) | 18:52 |
wpwrak | kewl :) i love the coolness with which they react to all those accidents | 18:55 |
wpwrak | zrafa: btw, are you having any luck with taking to the freescale chips ? | 20:49 |
zrafa | wpwrak: I have not started yet | 21:27 |
zrafa | wpwrak: we will try with a parallel port . But first we will do some tiny board to expose the pins as well | 21:28 |
wpwrak | hmm, better use ben + ubb | 22:00 |
zrafa | wpwrak: I was thinking in that as well, tempted because the 3.3v from ubb :) | 22:16 |
zrafa | wpwrak: but we did not do much yet. Lot of bored stuff with students now at the end of the year :( | 22:16 |
zrafa | (papers, forms, exams) | 22:16 |
nickoe | wpwrak: meh, I have forgot how to use fped again... | 22:45 |
nickoe | I can't make it make a pad without failing | 22:46 |
nickoe | http://folk.ntnu.no/nicko/moar_stuff/circularthing.fpd | 22:49 |
nickoe | Trying to make a pad from vec __0 and __1 does not work | 22:49 |
wpwrak | nickoe: that's because you have a loop | 23:01 |
nickoe | mmm, on those? | 23:02 |
wpwrak | nickoe: the loop repeats everything in its frame, including the pads | 23:02 |
nickoe | also when it does not use the loop, m? | 23:02 |
nickoe | so I just need to creat another fram with the loop | 23:03 |
wpwrak | yes, that will work | 23:03 |
nickoe | wpwrak: mmm, does not even work like this, http://folk.ntnu.no/nicko/moar_stuff/circularthing2.fpd | 23:07 |
nickoe | if it ever uploads | 23:09 |
nickoe | now | 23:11 |
wpwrak | your loop is still in the root frame | 23:26 |
wpwrak | so fped repeats the root frame (and everything below) | 23:26 |
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