#qi-hardware IRC log for Tuesday, 2012-12-25

urandom__wpwrak: doesn't make sense what you write, learning C doesn't make other langs obsolete, it is the other way round, learning C fully makes them realize how badly better langs are needed (in best case)00:01
kristianpaulwpwrak: you want to rant because gcc is planning move to c++?00:30
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu: update compile-openwrt-xburst.sh (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/05f851901:00
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu: cgminer: update to 2.10.2 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/d3474a101:00
LunaVoraxMerry Christmas!01:18
whitequarkall bugs fixed, plus colored nicks! http://irclog.whitequark.org/qi-hardware/19:50
whitequarkand an UTC clock for those of us who lives in deprecated (non-UTC+0) timezones19:51
wpwrakkristianpaul: you're kidding, right ?20:07
wpwrakurandom__: naw,   while (!you_understand_that_C_is_perfect) learn_more_C();20:10
Fallenouahah :)20:17
Fallenoutrowll trowll20:17
xwalk_I installed wicd on my Ubuntu 12.04 install like the wiki pages stated you should do but the command "sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.254.100" isn't holding. For some reason the IP address keeps getting unassigned.20:26
Fallenoumaybe because of network daemon20:28
Fallenouor something like nm-applet20:28
kristianpaulwpwrak: may be i like do jokes from time to time, about what?20:28
Fallenoutry to set the IP address in the network GUI xwalk_ 20:29
kristianpaulwpwrak: ah, well i read this time ago https://lwn.net/Articles/390016/20:30
kristianpaulif you meant that, not sure what i will be..20:30
xwalk_Fallenou: I'm not seeing the connection to usb0 coming across the wicd GUI. =/20:32
Fallenouthere is no usb0 in wicd ?20:40
xwalk_Fallenou: Right. It's not coming across as one of my connections.20:41
Fallenouwierd21:03
Fallenouweird*21:03
wpwrakkristianpaul: ("GCC begins move to C++") hmm, scary21:13
whitequarkwpwrak: you know why?22:14
whitequarkto integrate LLVM plugins, because GCC devs basically suck at writing optimizers (and also at creating nice architecture for their software, but that's also related to RMS's unwise decisions.)22:14
whitequarkif you want a compiler which is modern, hackable, produces fast code and/or does not include a self-grown lisp implementation, just use LLVM.22:17
wpwrakwhat i don't like about llvm are its ties to apple. besides that, it seems pretty okay, though. how does its run time compare with gcc ?22:54
whitequarkwpwrak: well, I don't like Apple much either, but to date, it seems that it is an Apple-sponsored project rather an Apple-directed one.23:06
whitequarknothing bad came from using webkit everywhere23:06
whitequark(runtime) as far as I know, quite a bit faster23:07
whitequarkwpwrak: see this message: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2005-11/msg00888.html23:09
whitequarkan Apple-employed LLVM dev says:23:10
whitequark> If people are seriously in favor of LLVM being a long-term part of GCC, I personally believe that the LLVM community would agree to assign the copyright of LLVM itself to the FSF and we can work through these details.23:10
whitequarkoh, 2005. I guess that's where DragonEgg GCC came from23:11
wpwrak(faster) that's always welcome ;)23:22
whitequarkllvm also has quite a few cool features like static analysis which finds your errors for you23:29
whitequark_REALLY_ good error reporting23:29
whitequarkit knows how typedefs expand, for example, and provides both the input form and expanded one23:30
whitequarkand highlights the offending token23:30
whitequarkautomatic loop vectorizer (in 3.2), which is quite clever23:30
whitequarkalso one llvm binary can support as much architectures as you want23:31
whitequarkwith every single possible triplet23:31
whitequarkproper link-time optimization (but only for dependencies compiled with LLVM, of course)23:32
whitequarketc.23:32
wpwrakyeah, its the most interesting feature are the good optimizations23:40
whitequarkin unrelated news, I suck at packaging presents23:41
wpwrakaren't you a bit late with that ?23:47
whitequarknay. a girl I know has a birthday at 25th, which obviously coincides with xmas (which isn't really celebrated here by people <45yo), with new year (which IS celebrated widely enough so that there are two or so holiday weeks to get rid of hangover), AND with exams at university, of which there are 2-3 a day from the start of the previous week to evening of Dec 3123:51
whitequarkand by coincides I mean that her parents decided that it just should be merged to the new year drinkup. yes, the kind with tons of distant relatives23:53
whitequarkso, tomorrow is when I decided it to actually be, at least this year. tomorrow as not to coincide with university stuff.23:54
whitequarkor today already23:55
wpwrakcomplicated ;-)23:56
wpwrakhere, xmas and new year are both celebrated in similar ways, with champagne or cider and fireworks23:57
whitequarkpretty simple and sad actually. especially that not everyone is able to show a finger to those relatives one rather won't see again until the cold death of universe.23:57
whitequark(celebrated) well, the problem is, I hate alcohol23:58
wpwrakand each is followed by just one day of public holiday. so there's little time for the christmas spirit to leave your system :) of course, this is also summer holiday season, so a lot of people are already taking holidays now or right after new year23:58
whitequark(public holiday) haha, 2 weeks prior to new year stuff begins to clog. especially roads and postal service23:59
wpwrakurgh23:59
whitequarkand 2 weeks after nothing works23:59
whitequarkat all23:59
wpwrakwell, maybe that's because of the famous russian winter23:59
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