wolfspraul | I'm moving the buildhost (which also runs schhist) to a new server and building a new kicad in the process | 03:45 |
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wolfspraul | will use rev3493 which is the latest supported by eda-tools, I think | 03:45 |
wolfspraul | this time I will not make a debian package first, but just build and install the kicad app directly (make install) | 03:46 |
wolfspraul | let's see how it goes :-) | 03:46 |
roh | hey wolfspraul | 03:48 |
wolfspraul | hi! | 03:49 |
wolfspraul | how are you (and gismo)? | 03:49 |
roh | we are fine so far ;) | 03:50 |
wolfspraul | I've been doing a little bit of mechanical experiments lately, nothing at your level though... | 03:50 |
wolfspraul | first I bought a number of Japanese kids toys, they have interesting stuff | 03:51 |
roh | its a daily struggle to be who we are, but we are kinda used to it by now ;) | 03:51 |
wolfspraul | like rubbery plastics you can bend and stick together, or stiff plastic parts to build things | 03:51 |
roh | nice.. actually.. i refurbished our lasercutter a bit recently | 03:51 |
wolfspraul | and now I am using that flood of iphone5 cases and see what else (besides an iphone) I can fit inside :-) | 03:51 |
roh | also we now have 3 different working 3d printers in the raumfahrtagentur by now.. and my milling knowledge is getting better in small stepps. | 03:52 |
wolfspraul | something I just recently became more interested in are sewing machines, controlled by Linux of course | 03:52 |
wolfspraul | do you know much about that? | 03:52 |
roh | hehe.. nice.. if you find a useable one to hack tell us.. | 03:52 |
wolfspraul | I need to google a bit | 03:52 |
roh | you know we got a textile work place inside the rfa as well? | 03:53 |
wpwrak | hacking sewing machines. that's unusual :) | 03:53 |
roh | with a sewing machine.. which can do patterns.. but no external connection (those are much more expensive) | 03:53 |
roh | a friend of us has hacked knitting machines.. to knit patterns and logos | 03:54 |
roh | fabienne .. (fbz) | 03:54 |
wolfspraul | interesting | 03:55 |
wolfspraul | I see it just like a sewing robot and was hoping to be able to control everything :-) | 03:55 |
roh | i think it was on hack-a-day somewhere | 03:55 |
wolfspraul | not just upload some design in a complicated way and then have the machine do something, but a more immediate control in real-time | 03:56 |
roh | hehe.. i like that i now see cnc machines everywhere. | 03:56 |
roh | every printer.. atm... scanner... | 03:56 |
wolfspraul | don't understand | 03:56 |
wolfspraul | you see? | 03:56 |
roh | even a car nowadays is more a computer with wheels than what it was 50 years ago. | 03:56 |
wolfspraul | ah yes | 03:56 |
roh | well.. when i started with cnc stuff i was looking at what people call cnc machines.. basically only a few tools.. mills.. lathes.. machining centers... etc. | 03:57 |
roh | but to be precise.. we got em everywhere. all around us in the consumer world as well. | 03:57 |
roh | which gives proof to the theory that making cnc stuff 'easier' and 'cheaper' to get em in every school and make people understand how to use them possible. | 03:58 |
roh | from my pov.. everything which is possible to automate when it comes to work/production/logistics etc will be at that point where the machine/the robot is cheaper in TCO. reality prooves that again and again recently. | 03:59 |
roh | so either we make the knowledge of how to use those machines, how they work and how to design them and for them publicly accessible for everybody or we will have a very poor majority and a very rich elite... and big tensions in society. | 04:01 |
wolfspraul | I see you still have energy to tacke the really big problems ;-) | 04:01 |
wolfspraul | tackle | 04:01 |
wolfspraul | that is good | 04:01 |
roh | since i dont believe that the gains of automatisation are distributed by the current industry/politics i think we need to do that bottom up.. and make everybody an industrialist. a producer and not only a consument. | 04:01 |
roh | eh consumer | 04:01 |
roh | well.. i'd say we live in interresting times.. and are fortunate enough that we have the time to think and talk about such stuff. somehow i feel that makes one responsible to also act respectively (within the powers one has) | 04:03 |
roh | and as long as i got enough customers to enable me to keep doing stuff with a open source mindset.. i will so :) | 04:04 |
roh | currently its sadly just enough... could use some projects for the next year. | 04:04 |
wolfspraul | did you just get up or still up? | 04:06 |
roh | i got up at about 1am... 4hours ago | 04:07 |
wolfspraul | ouch :-) | 04:07 |
wolfspraul | treat your own machine well :-) | 04:07 |
wolfspraul | any interesting new project you work on right now? | 04:09 |
roh | i do.. i usually sleep without a alarm clock.. till i just wake up :) | 04:09 |
roh | not really.. atleast none which i see that i can do them fulltime till done since their monetary feedback would be too small/slow | 04:10 |
roh | i worked on our spdif mux a bit, but i need to find the time to actually finalize the design and order the pcbs to be made and write the software needed | 04:11 |
roh | i would really like to do small embedded stuff which makes our lifes more like we were promised in the 80/90s ;) | 04:12 |
wolfspraul | most people use smartphones for that, and they are doing wonders | 04:14 |
roh | home automatisation stuff.. but different to the industry. with focus on cost, size, part availability and how one can realisticly retrofit them at usual existing buildings. also i dont like central control systems ;) so it will be decentralized and 'keep working' even if parts are destroyed/cut off. | 04:14 |
wolfspraul | I'm looking more into IC design recently, would like to make my own chip :-) | 04:14 |
roh | well.. so far there is no smartphone which survives my imap folder... x-] | 04:14 |
wolfspraul | so after kicad, toped is next... | 04:14 |
roh | hehe.. well.. who knows what a 10 year old chip making machine costs used? | 04:15 |
wolfspraul | I think the entire process is long and involves many machines | 04:16 |
wolfspraul | over 500 processing steps for a recent-gen process | 04:16 |
roh | i think we have lots of fascinating opptortunities due to the commodotisation of quite high end fabrication technologies | 04:16 |
wolfspraul | yes | 04:16 |
roh | and what the opensource hw has shown me so far is that 'more experiments' happen when stuff is in the open | 04:17 |
roh | so who knows what we might find out. maybe just nobody tried? | 04:17 |
wolfspraul | nice, I was able to just 'apt-get -t unstable install fped' on the new server | 04:23 |
wolfspraul | PROGRESS! :-) | 04:23 |
wolfspraul | xiangfu: on the new server (called 'pertain'), I want to use /var/tmp better | 04:27 |
wolfspraul | so let's move all temporary files into there, symlink from /home/user/tmp to /var/tmp/user etc. | 04:27 |
wolfspraul | then I can backup the rest of the machine but not /var/tmp | 04:27 |
wolfspraul | this is how I understood /var/tmp at least... | 04:27 |
xiangfu | ok | 04:28 |
wolfspraul | wpwrak: I am going to commit the qi-update-all script along with schhist, if you don't mind | 04:42 |
wolfspraul | that's the best place to keep it. if you don't like it there then maybe another subfolder or even repo, but I think this should be fine... just fyi | 04:42 |
qi-bot | [commit] Wolfgang Spraul: commit qi-update-all script along with rest of schhist (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/7a16e0f | 04:44 |
wolfspraul | there it is :-) (sorry a little fast, but I want to move this stuff off my table...) | 04:44 |
wpwrak | wolfspraul: yes, good idea | 05:03 |
wpwrak | of course, it would be even better if it has a comment at the beginning saying what its role is :) | 05:04 |
wpwrak | but one can figure it out from what follows | 05:04 |
qi-bot | [commit] Wolfgang Spraul: curdir fix (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/b73288f | 06:23 |
wolfspraul | hmm too bad. kicad stops with a dialog box saying "the following libraries could not be found: device" quite often | 07:35 |
wpwrak | you need to install the kicad library as well: https://code.launchpad.net/~kicad-lib-committers/kicad/library | 08:49 |
wolfspraul | oh | 09:12 |
wolfspraul | what is that exactly? | 09:12 |
wolfspraul | this time I only compiled and make installed the kicad binaries | 09:12 |
wolfspraul | and then we have projects.qi-hardware.com/kicad-libs.git | 09:12 |
wpwrak | the collection of components and modules that are used by default | 09:13 |
wolfspraul | I also need to make install the /kicad/library you pointed to? | 09:13 |
wpwrak | that is, unless you substitute them with things from our kicad-libs :) | 09:13 |
wolfspraul | then I need to find a version that sort-of matches my 3493 I guess | 09:13 |
wpwrak | but only very few projects are self-sufficient in that sense yet | 09:13 |
wpwrak | it's just symbols and footprints, no code | 09:13 |
wolfspraul | ok I will look into it | 09:14 |
wolfspraul | thanks! | 09:14 |
wpwrak | np :) | 09:14 |
wolfspraul | if you don't mind you can have a quick look over projects.qi-hardware.com/schhist, whether anything looks bad | 09:15 |
wolfspraul | I didn't re-enable the kernel-randomize_va_space setting yet | 09:15 |
wolfspraul | and also no kicad-libs yet | 09:15 |
wolfspraul | I will do kicad-libs first, then rebuild everything | 09:16 |
wolfspraul | hopefully the randomize_va_space workaround is not needed anymore (3493 now instead of 2448) | 09:16 |
wpwrak | starting with f32xbase_c2ben and below, i get "You don't have permission to access /schhist/f32xbase_c2ben/ on this server." | 09:17 |
wpwrak | maybe it's still running ? | 09:18 |
wpwrak | besides that, the only issue that sticks out are the missing "standard" components | 09:18 |
wolfspraul | hmm | 10:01 |
wolfspraul | yes f32xbase_c2ben and labsw have strange permissions | 10:01 |
wolfspraul | the others should be ok? | 10:01 |
wolfspraul | some problem on my end, no worries | 10:03 |
wolfspraul | ok seems kicad-lib revision 120 is about as old as the sources rev 3493 (2012-04-07) | 10:28 |
wolfspraul | so I will take kicad-libs r120... | 10:28 |
wpwrak | probably doesn't matter much. the library should be relatively static | 10:51 |
wpwrak | btw, we have our own kicad-libs project, with just the same sort of content. so please be careful with the naming ;-) | 10:52 |
wolfspraul | well | 11:54 |
wolfspraul | I just got the kicad-libs, cmake . make make install | 11:55 |
wolfspraul | that installs to /usr/share/local/ or so | 11:55 |
wolfspraul | /usr/local/share | 11:55 |
wolfspraul | let's see how it all works now... | 11:55 |
wpwrak | hmm, so far only the index page is there | 12:06 |
wolfspraul | yes, be patient | 12:14 |
wpwrak | :) | 12:14 |
wolfspraul | announcement about fidelio (the server): I will soon delete the machine, it has been moved to a new machine | 12:14 |
wolfspraul | we always clearly said all of the data on fidelio is considered tmp data without backups, but for those who have accounts there now may be a good time to speak up | 12:15 |
wolfspraul | it's just a handful of accounts and they all look more or less unused for 1 year or more, with tens of gigabytes of temporary build files | 12:15 |
wolfspraul | I will shutdown and delete the machine tomorrow or so, after it's all working properly on the new one... | 12:16 |
wpwrak | downloads is ... turandot. whatever heathen deity that may be. phew :) | 12:17 |
wolfspraul | now I abuse the hostname as a little English class, with words I noticed in a conversation... :-) | 12:18 |
wolfspraul | such as 'pertain' or 'hunch' | 12:18 |
wpwrak | ;-) | 12:18 |
wolfspraul | no I'm just talking about the buildhost | 12:18 |
wolfspraul | it's all gigabytes of junk surely | 12:18 |
wpwrak | (buildhost) yeah. just didn't know which roles which machine has. | 12:19 |
wolfspra1l | ok, latest version of the schhist histories should be rebuilt | 13:14 |
wolfspra1l | this time including (both) kicad-libs, but not yet the va_randomizer workaround | 13:14 |
wolfspra1l | hopefully that's not necessary anymore... | 13:15 |
wolfspra1l | calling it a day, will read backlog tmrw | 13:15 |
wolfspra1l | n8 | 13:15 |
LunaVorax | Hi | 15:46 |
wpwrak | wolfspra1l: looks good. thanks ! | 16:47 |
whitequark | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIzNjE | 18:33 |
whitequark | nvidia opensourced some 2D hw accel code | 18:33 |
whitequark | it somehow seems that amd gets worse and nvidia gets better wrt/ FOSS | 18:34 |
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