#qi-hardware IRC log for Wednesday, 2012-07-11

kristianpaulwow sysmocon is going to manufacturing !01:23
kristianpaulcustom phone boards * :-)01:24
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu: update nanonote compile-openwrt-xburst.sh (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/6f13dd102:52
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu: MPlayer: disable pulse (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/b61e78d02:52
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu: xburst: ben nanonote: add modifire keys and fbcon-color patches (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/6ce066703:32
kristianpauli'm bit lost, how you add a patch description in git03:53
kristianpaulwhen using git send-email or git format-patch ?03:53
xiangfukristianpaul, when git commit03:58
kristianpauli did but is just 1 line short.. as it should be i guess03:59
xiangfukristianpaul, you can modify it by 'git command --amend' or when using 'git send-email --annotate'04:00
xiangfu'git commit --amend'04:00
xiangfukristianpaul, if you don't use '-m' when commit. git will bring you a text edit for patch description.04:02
kristianpaulyeah.. but i just wrote a line04:03
kristianpauldouble mail..04:06
xiangfugood night04:10
whitequarkxiangfu: git commit --amen08:59
viric'amen' :)09:11
larscpatch and pray ;)09:12
whitequarkplug and pray09:18
NecrosporusI found out NanoNote get 1.5 times more expensive, why?10:07
xiangfuNecrosporus, checkout : http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2012-June/009693.html10:38
Necrosporusxiangfu, there's only written they are increasing price, but is not written why11:00
wolfspraulNecrosporus: which price are you asking about?11:48
xiangfu"<Necrosporus> I found out NanoNote get 1.5 times more expensive, why?"11:50
Necrosporus149 bucks instead of 9911:53
wolfspraulbecause that's a better price for the future and the best price we know how to build a beautiful little machine like that11:54
wolfspraulyou bought one at the old price? or were thinking about getting one?11:54
Necrosporuswolfspraul, yes, I were, but low hardware specs was somehow adding doubts13:43
NecrosporusWere there a 1GiB of RAM and 1 GHz dual core processor, I'd though 150 bucks is fine13:45
NecrosporusOr better 2 GiB of ram13:46
wolfspraulso we helped remove your doubts now, good :-)13:46
wolfspraulI don't think you would appreciate the Ben and you will probably find something good elsewhere.13:47
wolfspraulthe Ben can't be for everyone...13:47
Necrosporuswolfspraul, I'd ready to pay about $50-75 for that capabilities13:48
NecrosporusIncluding shipping13:48
wolfspraulwon't happen here13:49
wolfspraulmaybe the next NanoNote will even be 199, I don't know13:49
wolfspraulfirst of all it must be really good, better than the Ben13:49
NecrosporusFor 100 bucks I can buy Ritmix RZX-50 for example13:50
NecrosporusIngenic JZ4755 XBurst, 400 F, 32-bit13:51
Necrosporus64 MiB RAM, 4 GiB built-in storage13:51
Necrosporus480×272 screen13:51
wolfspraulthe Ben comes with vim preinstalled13:52
Necrosporusbetter than 320x24013:52
NecrosporusThat's cool13:52
NecrosporusBut there's chines laptops for 100 bucks including shipping and it can run Vim as well13:52
wolfspraulif that's not enough for you no other argument will win you over and you are better off with those other devices13:52
NecrosporusI got one13:52
Necrosporuswell, I'd like a ben but for 100 bucks including shipping13:53
wolfspraulwon't happen13:53
wolfspraulprice will go up, not down13:53
wolfspraulwe want to make a *better* Ben in the future13:54
NecrosporusWhy? Ben is pretty much outdated and outdated hw is usually cheaper13:54
NecrosporusCurrent one I mean13:54
wolfspraulfine but Ben is different :-)13:54
wolfspraulwith 'outdated' you probably mean comparing some numbers to other devices13:55
wolfspraulit was outdated on that perspective since birth13:55
wolfspraulbut it's not what the Ben is about13:55
wolfspraulI'm not trying to sell you a Ben btw13:55
NecrosporusYeah.. it has lover specs than my PDA I bought in 200313:55
wolfspraulplease don't, if you don't totally love it13:55
wolfspraulok great13:56
Necrosporusbut there is no hw keyboard13:56
wolfspraulthe Ben will remain on sale until we have a worthy successor13:57
gargonNecrosporus: on amazon.com, you can get a ben for usd 9413:57
wolfsprauland at least from me, it will never be discounted :-)13:57
wolfspraulwe need to advance the milkymist soc stuff a bit more before taking another good shot at a mobile device13:58
wolfspraulso for now we have the Ben and I am proud of it :-)13:58
wolfspraulbut you don't need be, no worries13:58
NecrosporusI think I need a pocket device running GNU/Linux13:59
wolfspraulok we will work harder and maybe have a Ben successor that pleases you :-)13:59
NecrosporusThere's Nokia N913:59
NecrosporusI have tried it13:59
wolfspraulthose are very powerful devices, amazing stuff14:00
wpwrakNecrosporus: you're comparing with devices that are produced in large volume and generally don't have much device-specific open source support. in some cases, they're generic enough that they don't need any specific support. in other cases, they're not, and things will run badly if at all.14:00
NecrosporusThere's a video core which doesn't work with free software drivers14:00
NecrosporusNokia N9 has linux preinstalled14:00
wpwrakNecrosporus: having such things is what drives the ben's value/cost/price up.14:00
wpwrakNecrosporus: if we just had Nokia's budget for lighting a bonfire with our money every night ... ;-)14:01
NecrosporusNokia N9 however lacks hardware keyboard14:03
LunaVoraxHello everyone14:27
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: gencat/pdf.c: add generation of alphabetic index with hyperlinks (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/e1d613a15:32
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: gencat/pdf.c: add section titles (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/b3113fc15:32
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: components/Makefile: change name of "genex" to "gencat" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/41befc915:33
larscwolfspraul: what does it do?15:33
larscuhm s,wolfspraul,wpwrak,15:34
larscso many letters in the alphabet you both have to use the same one ;)15:34
wpwrak /nick \omega pwrak15:36
wpwrakgencat makes this type of catalog: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/kicad-libs-components.pdf15:36
wpwrakthe renaming is because i'll extend it to also handle modules (the "ex" was for the "expanded" symbol view, i.e., with pin types)15:37
larsclooks nice15:38
wpwrakthanks :)15:42
virichm have you seen this thing? http://www.fanlesstech.com/2012/07/minix-tv-box-h24.html17:59
wpwrakAllwinner, the new star of open source-friendly SoCs19:52
larscis it?20:02
viricI don't know why, but I liked it when I read its webpage one year ago or so20:02
viricand for this http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G133999328931&tab_idx=320:07
viricIs the schematics of Exynos4412 CPU module included? 20:07
viricYes. You will get the full schematics of Exynos4412 CPU module and ODROID-X base board. 20:07
viricCan I get layout file and gerber file? 20:07
viricWhen can I get schematics?20:07
viricIt will be delivered from the 1st week of August by email request. 20:07
wpwraklarsc: it seems to be quite popular. though technical documentation seems to be hard to find. maybe the popularity comes from it using the MALI graphics core, which has been reverse-engineered. (unlike the other, more deeply proprietary cores common on smartphones)20:15
viricwpwrak: that quadcore from samsung also has a mali20:16
wpwrakah, nice ! die powerVR, die ! :)20:17
viricwpwrak: have you seen the video with them playing mariokart64 4-players with that $130 samsung?20:17
wpwrakon of the proprietary graphics cores20:18
viricah :)20:18
wpwrakno .. haven't followed the smartphone scene for a while. waiting for some more walls to fall :)20:18
larsctime to bring out the trumpets?20:22
wpwrakor just let a million moles dig a little longer :)20:24
viricIf I hadn't a sheevaplug, I'd buy that samsung thing 20:24
rohhm.. how were those cut-in-the-middle via in module-pcb named?21:29
rohanybody a idea?21:30
wpwrakvias ? burried ? 21:30
rohwpwrak: nope.. i meant that 'stamp-like' module pcb design21:50
rohwhere one has the vertically cut in the middle throughole-vias to solder at21:50
wpwrakaah ! now i know what you mean. fat "vias"21:58
wpwrakdon't recall the name, though21:59
rohi heard 'plated half holes'.. sounds weird23:01
rohwpwrak: you heard harald plans to make a calypso board?23:08
wpwrak"half-holes" sounds reasonable :)23:31
wpwrakhe ought to make a little asic to get rid of the fog of secrecy around that ancient calypso23:32
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