#qi-hardware IRC log for Wednesday, 2012-06-06

qi-bot[commit] Adam Wang: tssop5.fpd: TSSOP5 for NXP (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/3c76baf02:33
qi-bot[commit] Adam Wang: sot23.fpd: added measurement for max. distance between pads. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/b068f9703:06
wolfspraulgood morning everybody03:11
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu: ben-wpan: now ben-wpan tools also build for other targets (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/23f18f703:23
qi-bot[commit] Adam Wang: INFO: added more SOT23 info (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/61750b403:25
whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: some tizen news around04:01
whitequarkwhat do you think about it?04:01
qi-bot[commit] Adam Wang: INFO: added DO-214 package info. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/20f23f806:31
qi-botThe build has FAILED: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/building/Nanonote/Ben/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120606-0440 06:42
qi-bot[commit] Adam Wang: do-214.fpd: added DO-214AA package (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/0f19a6d07:57
qi-bot[commit] Adam Wang: ledsmd.fpd: added LEDSMD-0603R for right angle LED land pattern. Not include light shadow area. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/1357fee09:01
cladamwwpwrak, in stdpass, i'd like to add a small "|" cathode marker on pad 2. Although this standard fpd is for resistor, capacitor, inductor. so for polarized capacitor or diode can also use it. how do you think ?09:30
wpwrakyou could make a variant with polarization mark. call it xxxxP or such. similar to how i made those -M variante09:33
cladamwyeah ~ okay. :-)09:38
jivs_Hi xian9fu 10:01
xian9fujivs_, Hi10:22
jivs_i looked up the error message you got, it is coming from libgmp, possibly due to different versions being installed on the host part and the toochain part10:24
jivs_But I couldn't get the same error message on my toolchain..10:24
jivs_can you please check which version of gmp is being used in your toolchain10:25
jivs_build_dir/host/ and build_dir/target.../10:26
qi-botThe build has FAILED: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/building/Nanonote/Ben/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120606-0902 11:01
cladamwwpwrak, how to convert string into number in Fped ?13:23
cladamwwpwrak, with  ${variable} can be string, but how to reverse it ? :-)13:24
cladamwwpwrak, no need now, just use another way to work out my case. but still can tell me if there's answer. :-)13:35
qi-botThe build has FAILED: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/building/Nanonote/Ben/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120606-1321 15:19
kristianpaulwhitequark: i would be more interested on seeing tizen sold in a device16:15
whitequarkwell, I guess that's what samsung wants16:37
whitequarkI dunno, maybe android is too google-centric for them?..16:37
kristianpaulSaaS ;-)16:39
kristianpaulthus most features requires internet access, how boring...16:40
whitequarkwhat's saas? android?16:40
kristianpaulgoogle apis16:41
kristianpaulyes for example16:41
whitequarkwell, as an android user I can say that it isn't16:44
whitequarkI don't use any of google's services, and I don't really have a need to16:44
kristianpaulgotcha, perhaps i'm biased..16:45
whitequarkit's just a platform actually16:45
whitequarkgoogle has a lot of nice stuff, but they don't force you to use it16:45
whitequarkI have my email on my own IMAP, contacts on LDAP, etc.16:46
whitequarkthere's no implicit lock-in if that's what you are talking about16:46
kristianpaulno no,(lock-in)16:46
whitequarkwell, google's products are really nice, and they integrate well with each other and google's services16:47
kristianpaulsure 16:47
whitequarkI set them up for people who don't care that much about privacy how I do16:48
whitequarkbut with my own setup (which obvisously took time) it's almost the same16:48
whitequarkand, arguably, they don't do anything to prevent me from using whatever I want16:48
GNUtoo-desktopwhitequark, Android is apache and google can do like android 3.0 and that scares vendors16:48
kristianpaulwell u use android :-)16:48
kristianpaulI was talking about what and operator and manufacture offer16:48
whitequarkGNUtoo-desktop: yeah, they can, but if you ask me, the android 3.0 was the right thing to do16:49
kristianpaulright GNUtoo-desktop 16:49
whitequarki.e. not overall16:49
whitequarkthey really should have invested more resources in making what became ICS16:49
whitequarkto make it earlier16:49
kristianpauls/offer/have to offer16:49
whitequarkbut I don't see that as an inherently evil thing. lots of devices with very bad UX would be worse16:49
whitequarkkristianpaul: vendors and especially carriers offer exceptionally bad firmwares16:50
whitequarksignificantly worse than stock android16:50
Action: GNUtoo-desktop never used carrier firmwares 16:50
whitequarkin Russia, carriers don't sell phones16:50
GNUtoo-desktoponly replicant on Android phones (or SHR)16:50
whitequarkwhat about replicant on sgs2?16:51
whitequarkhow's progress coming?16:51
kristianpaulwhitequark: oh wow16:51
GNUtoo-desktopwhitequark, paulk has or will have an SGS2....16:51
GNUtoo-desktopwhitequark, beside there are progress on GNU/Linux port on SGS2 too16:51
whitequarkkristianpaul: what's nice? carriers not selling phones? :)16:51
whitequarkyeah, there ain't such thing as sim-lock here, for example16:52
whitequarknor bullshit like phone-tied contracts or, ahem, "tethering plan"16:52
whitequarkthere is even no phrase for the latter16:52
whitequarkOTOH, in Moscow there are three carriers who form a cartel and they suck a whole lot16:53
whitequark3g? somewhere there's no signal whatsoever16:53
whitequarkone carrier covers entire underground (thus demonstrating the possibility), others cover only small patches16:53
whitequarkHSDPA? only if you're lucky16:54
viricthat reminds me that I've a phone to "unlock"16:54
whitequarkvoice? can be tricky, too16:54
whitequarkit's fucking 2012 and carriers can't get UMTS right16:54
kristianpaulviric: at the corner service shop? :-)16:54
viricI expected internet and google would unlock that for me16:54
viricbut maybe it requires some device to do so16:54
kristianpaulat commands could sometimes16:55
kristianpaulwith right etc app16:55
viricit's a very stupid phone16:55
viricI doubt it does any AT16:55
whitequarkviric: model?16:55
kristianpaulwhitequark: so you have lots of HAM in russia i guess16:55
whitequarkkristianpaul: HAM?16:56
kristianpaulham radio*16:56
whitequarkah. nope, this thing has almost faded out of existence16:57
viricwhitequark: alcatel OT-E22016:57
viricany help appreciated! :)16:57
viricI dislike throwing away hw for those reasons16:57
kristianpauldont buy it at first place next time :-)16:57
whitequarkthis is a REALLY dumb phone16:58
whitequarkGames 216:58
Action: kristianpaul love its dumb phone16:58
Action: whitequark cannot successfully navigate in this city without GPS16:59
whitequarkhence, only smartphones count16:59
GNUtoo-desktopkristianpaul, unless you run an osmocombb feature-phone(that's the term for dumb-phones) smartphones can have some privacy advantages17:18
GNUtoo-desktopfor instance if the CPU control the sound card you cannot be listened while not in call if you control the main CPU and that the modem doesn't use shared memory17:18
GNUtoo-desktopor if what you run on the main CPU is non-free it can be worse from the pricvacy point of view17:19
whitequarkGNUtoo-desktop: what's about privacy in SGS2?17:21
whitequarkdoes it have the same hole as S117:22
GNUtoo-desktopask paulk17:23
GNUtoo-desktopI dno't know sgs217:23
kristianpaulhole = close source gsm band is enought? :-)17:23
GNUtoo-desktopkristianpaul, that can be worked arround on some phones, on some other not17:23
GNUtoo-desktopit depend on the architecture of the phone, the baseband and the phone<->baseband  connection type17:24
whitequarkkristianpaul: on sgs2, AP routes everything from sound (alsa) to data17:25
whitequarkso there cannot be a "feature" which remotely turns on mic or something like that17:25
whitequarkschematics have leaked too17:25
GNUtoo-desktopthe problem is if the modem can rookit the main CPU or not17:25
GNUtoo-desktoptrough shared memory17:25
GNUtoo-desktoplike dual-port RAM17:25
whitequarkah, yes17:27
GNUtoo-desktopI've no idea if it's doable or not17:27
kristianpaulsim -> modem -> cpu -> you :-017:27
GNUtoo-desktopor if it's done or not17:28
kristianpaultap it :)17:28
GNUtoo-desktopat the sim level you can tap it17:28
GNUtoo-desktopwith simtrace17:28
kristianpaulyup https://terminal-profile.osmocom.org/17:29
kristianpaulbbl lunch17:30
vladkorotnevhey guys, haven't seen ya for so long!17:30
vladkorotnevi have stumbled upon a weird thing on my Ben Nanonote, particularly with the sound chip17:30
vladkorotnevshould i tell ya about it?17:30
vladkorotnevso, none is interested? okay maybe it's just mine's defect then17:43
Aylalet me see17:43
whitequarknn doesn't have a sound chip, does it?17:43
Aylahigh pitched sound?17:43
vladkorotnevsort of, it's like in background of the music17:44
vladkorotnevthe lower the battery, the more i can hear it.17:44
Aylathe noise is cyclic?17:44
AylaI mean, is that the same pattern again and again?17:45
vladkorotnevit's like the music, but inverted or like that17:45
vladkorotnevnot pattern17:45
vladkorotnevin headphones only, didn't hear it on the speaker17:45
vladkorotnevand when you turn it off, it makes a sound, like a blaster shooting in a scifi movie, into the headphones, like 'pewww' :P17:46
Aylaok, that's a different bug than the one we have here17:46
vladkorotnevwrong window17:48
vladkorotnevdon't click17:48
vladkorotnevbetter for you17:48
vladkorotnevyou did click this, didn't you?17:49
GNUtoo-desktopwhat is it?17:49
whitequarkyou know this channel is publicly logged, right?17:49
whitequarkGNUtoo-desktop: hentai17:49
vladkorotnevwell, fuck C:17:50
whitequarknot the kind of it which would make you pluck your eyes off, just regular porn17:50
vladkorotnevthat is just page 9 eh17:50
whitequarkI don't really want to know anything further17:50
whitequarksomehow I feel that'd make my life easier ... :)17:51
vladkorotnevfucking slow internet, i have to send files over page-by-page, transaction fails if i send by one archive, could it be the recent ipv6 transition?17:51
vladkorotnevit would, whitequark, it would17:51
whitequarkwell, it could17:51
whitequarkif you use vista/717:51
whitequarkwhich has teredo enabled by default17:51
whitequarkotherwise it's just your crappy ISP or wrong MTU settings17:52
vladkorotnevprobably should avoid using Cmd-Tab for switching apps when sleepy next time -__-17:52
vladkorotnevit's my friend's isp17:52
vladkorotnevmine is fast as hell, it fails on his side17:52
vladkorotnevafaik, i still have a white ipv4 address17:52
vladkorotnevby the way, guys, how do you think, is cli-only debian a good choice for using on a netbook? (assuming i am gonna browse the web / irc / IM / email with it)17:54
viricwhitequark: yes, dumb phone, but I didn't buy it. :)17:57
whitequarkvladkorotnev: try a tiling WM, they're awesome for netbooks17:58
whitequarke.g. awesome17:58
whitequark(it's a name too)17:58
vladkorotnevi am fine with tmux17:58
whitequarkthen why bother asking? :)18:08
vladkorotnevbecause maybe problems with connecting to wifi might occur?18:09
vladkorotnevi mean public wifi18:09
vladkorotnevat home i'm fine with entering my network settings into configs18:09
whitequarkman interfaces18:12
whitequarkdebian has a really nice syntax even for wpa218:12
vladkorotnevi mean public open wifi, when you have to connect quick, but no password etc18:12
whitequarkso what? either add a line to interfaces18:14
whitequarkor: "iw wlan0 connect Beeline_WiFi_FREE; dhclient wlan0"18:14
vladkorotnevthanks :P18:14
vladkorotnevmore like 18:14
vladkorotneviw wlan0 connect $118:14
vladkorotnevdhclient wlan018:14
vladkorotnevin /usr/bin/wiconn :P18:14
vladkorotnevassuming on how many people here use linux with cli, having a debian laptop would not only give you usability and stability with speed, but also make you look like a hacker lol18:16
whitequarklike there's something good of it18:17
vladkorotnevbut is it something bad? :P18:17
vladkorotnevonce on an IT lesson at school we were told we're free to use the internet that day, but most sites were locked. srsly, people stared at me like i was watching porn or hacking the pentagon, while i silently telnetted to vertrauen to play Food Fight lol. also means they should disable Win-R on student machines, not just remove shortcuts ;P18:19
whitequarklol, win+r indeed is good18:20
vladkorotnev anything with windows cannot be as good as linux18:20
vladkorotnevso, remodeled my setup for my netbook in a VM: http://d.pr/i/sr45 - even music is here :D18:21
whitequarkwindows nt is a nice kernel18:21
whitequarke.g. it has AIO, and linux doesn't have anything even nearly as good as NT's AIO18:22
vladkorotnevi'm talking UX here :P, not kernel and stuff18:22
vladkorotnevIMO, Linux has better UX18:22
vladkorotnevmore user friendly18:22
whitequarklinux is kernel18:22
whitequarkit cannot be user friendly by definition18:23
vladkorotnevLinux-based OSes*18:23
whitequarklike, for example, Gentoo?18:23
whitequarkwhat a fuckload of user-friendliness18:23
whitequarkdon't overgeneralize :)18:23
vladkorotnevwhy not? Gentoo is when you need to have it customized, while Debian is install-and-go, depends on what you want, but not that hard :p18:24
vladkorotnevwell, in windows i once had this: a dialog with text "Cancel current operation?" and three buttons: "Yes","No","Cancel" - while more logical is "Cancel" and "Don't cancel", and third one is not needed anyway18:25
kyakvladkorotnev: how is your FIDO addiction doing? :)18:26
vladkorotnev@kyak: only on my linux box, something is broken on the nano note again18:27
vladkorotnevdon't wanna fix anyway18:27
kyakso it's still alive..18:27
vladkorotnevyep, though less active than last year18:28
vladkorotnevabout 100 msgs per day18:28
whitequarkin the whole network?18:28
kyakyeah, it's nothing compared to Internet18:28
whitequarkif that's "not dead"18:28
whitequarkthem I'm "linus torvalds"18:29
whitequarkwhy would anyone ever want it at all?!18:29
kyakthat's what i thought.. apparently, it's still alive.. a little bit :)18:29
vladkorotnevi found an even cooler thing, Hotline  :P18:29
whitequarkwell, linux still has DECnet support18:29
whitequarkfor, I dunno, three DEC boxes left?18:29
whitequarkor is that four?18:29
vladkorotnevaround 5 usable servers, one with a fuckload of data but no people, >TB of texts and old software18:30
kyakwhat kind of software and texts?18:30
whitequarkvladkorotnev: dump the latter to archive.org18:30
whitequarkthen shutdown it18:30
vladkorotneveven wrote a client for it, to use it on my iPhone, and put up a server18:30
vladkorotnevthey're not going down in atl 10 years, as they said to me in PM18:31
whitequarkwhat a necrophiliac18:31
kyakwhy 10, not 15? :)18:31
vladkorotnevor, hotline.boffomac.com for Hotline connection18:31
whitequarkahhh, so it's already a www server18:31
whitequarkwtf is Hotline?18:31
vladkorotnevSHXd is here as well18:31
vladkorotnevmy iHotline is listed there as well :318:33
vladkorotnevhowever that is a better screenshot http://moreinfo.thebigboss.org/moreinfo/ihotline8.png 18:34
whitequarkbut WHY?! why would you do that?18:35
vladkorotnevto revive it18:36
vladkorotnevppl are better with their iPhones than going and buying MacOS9 machines for connecting18:36
vladkorotnevmake it more popular, don't let it die :p18:36
kyakwhere did they find this crap :)18:37
vladkorotnevi used it only for old software18:37
kyakhttp://preterhuman.net/texts/sex/how.fuck.dead <- lol18:39
vladkorotnevfun server, isn't it?:P18:40
kyakWritten on July 1, 198618:41
vladkorotnevText porn? 18:42
whitequarkwhy not?..18:52
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: modules/bat-clip-aa-th.fpd: open clip for AA batteries, through-hole (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/0eb388122:09
qi-botThe build has FAILED: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/building/Nanonote/Ben/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120606-2053 22:51
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