#qi-hardware IRC log for Wednesday, 2012-05-09

wpwrakthat was brandy :)00:03
wpwrakit's indeed hard to find elsewhere. the amarula (a bit like baileys) has made it to argentina now, but i haven't seen any of the other stuff.00:04
DocScrutinizerwhat's been the name? (and I honestly doubt it wasn't Rum)00:08
DocScrutinizerI'm a brandy lover, I was sceptical about that stuff00:09
wpwrakkilpdrift: http://www.klipdrift.co.za/home.q00:10
DocScrutinizerklipdrift, right00:10
DocScrutinizerklipdrift export, I know it like I would hold a bottle in my hand00:12
wpwrakand yes, i agree. that's the one i brought. i never noticed the more expensive ones.00:13
Action: DocScrutinizer sighs00:15
Action: DocScrutinizer curses earth's immutable run around the daystar00:15
wpwrakwant a change of direction ?00:17
Action: DocScrutinizer curses age and eyesight, searches for mag glass to read the writing he applied to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NT_cassette.jpg00:18
Action: DocScrutinizer hopes for meteorite, diameter >500m00:20
DocScrutinizerthough, 50m would suffice and not do so much harm to innocent contemporary humans00:21
wpwrakdo you have any specific target in mind ?00:22
DocScrutinizerthey deserve to continue suffering ;-P00:22
DocScrutinizerwell, I lured a lightning into neighbour house by firing a laser into the sky, some 6-9 months ago00:23
wpwraknice !00:23
DocScrutinizerI wonder what could attarct a meteorite00:24
wpwraknext level: trick a nearby star of suitable size to go supernova00:24
DocScrutinizermeh, silly moaning00:24
DocScrutinizeryeah, decrypted "nirvana - nevermind" and "killing joke - pnademonium" :-D00:26
wpwrakjust  tar t  ?00:27
DocScrutinizerI did the writing in pencil, on grey plastic - evidently my eyesight been better some 10-20 years ago00:29
wpwrakthat's some sort of DAT, right ?00:29
DocScrutinizerawesome idea00:29
DocScrutinizermech overscan00:29
wpwrakpencil is durable :)00:29
DocScrutinizeruntil you touch it, yes00:30
DocScrutinizeranyway the problem is: it's TOO DAMN SMALL00:30
wpwraktake a picture, load it into gimp, press + until you can read it00:32
DocScrutinizerback when I used a simple pencil with 0.2mm lead00:32
DocScrutinizeractually a nice idea. I already thought about such app, for realtime00:32
DocScrutinizerwhere the F* is my 4x loupe?00:34
DocScrutinizerthe 10x is crap00:35
wpwrakquick, order some anti-aging pills :)00:36
DocScrutinizerfound "Fripp, Day After"00:42
DocScrutinizer(also found some bootlegs I recorded)00:43
DocScrutinizer(and a bickering with a girlfriend that died 10 years ago)00:43
wpwrakyou keep recordings of fights with your girlfriends ? interesting :)00:48
DocScrutinizerne, yes00:52
DocScrutinizerthis was an interesting girl00:53
DocScrutinizerthe sort you hope you never meet in your life00:53
DocScrutinizerstill you enjoy every minute00:53
wpwraksounds like the usual amount of contradictions :)00:55
DocScrutinizerhttp://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120509_001.jpg  http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120509_002.jpg ;-D00:56
DocScrutinizeroccasionally I used the paper stickers00:58
wpwrakperfectly readable :)00:59
DocScrutinizersure, on white paper, in macro setting of camera01:00
Action: DocScrutinizer hands wpwrak another longdrink01:02
Action: DocScrutinizer pets N900 and wonders how this lil device made it to pole position of relevant topics in his life01:04
DocScrutinizersuch a cute small gimmick :-) http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120509_004.jpg01:15
wpwrak(drink) thanks ! shouldn't have one on an empty stomach. but heck ... cheers !01:16
wpwrakindeed. prtty small.01:16
DocScrutinizerand writing is easier to read on photos http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120509_005.jpg01:17
DocScrutinizerdamn, something cropped it01:17
DocScrutinizerhah, seems I'm celebrating 20th anniversary of scoopman01:24
DocScrutinizerthe two extremes01:31
DocScrutinizera funny deatil: I heard Sony sold Scoopman NT-1 on dumping price, 50% of manufacturing costs. Just to show how awesome they can do01:34
DocScrutinizerwould explain why they never did huge advertising for the device01:35
DocScrutinizerwell, it's been really cheap anyway. Some 1800 DM01:36
wpwraksounds pricey by today's standards01:41
qi-bot[commit] Adam Wang: oscillator-cmos-out-4.lib: changed four text size to 0.05" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/c14fd2501:43
qi-bot[commit] Adam Wang: zener.lib: changed both pin name and pin number to A or C (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/060e90702:17
qi-botThe build was successful: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/build-nanonote/openwrt-xburst.minimal-20120507-2039 02:21
wpwrakhmm, still haven't convinced you of choice 3) then. well, i suppose the package zoo eventually will :)02:31
wpwrakhmmm ?02:49
DocScrutinizer1 / oops /  hmm, still haven't convinced you of choice 3)03:12
Action: DocScrutinizer shrugs and ponders to hear "Red" another time - one of the best albums of last 60 years03:13
DocScrutinizerthough hardly everybody will love it03:14
wpwrakDocScrutinizer: your confusion may stem from not following the mailing list :)03:29
cladamw_wpwrak, tried to convince me of choice 3) ?03:38
wpwrakerr, sorry. choice 2 :)03:39
wpwrakbrr. lemme re-read that mail ...03:39
wpwrakyeah, what i wrote in the mail makes sense :)03:40
cladamw_so choice 2 ? poor english again. :(03:41
cladamw_the ZENER i changed  also influence D[14..17] in Power sheet. bad. 03:42
wpwrakfor me, 2) is better than 4) is better than 1) is better than 3)03:42
wpwraki would keep the pin numbers in the schematics equal to the standard pin numbers of the package03:43
DocScrutinizerhi Adam!03:43
cladamw_hi DocScrutinizer 03:43
wpwrakso if you have a SOT-323, pin 2 would always be at the same place03:43
wpwrakand the schematics would say "2", not "C" or "A"03:44
cladamw_DocScrutinizer, wpwrak is the artist though to decorate in electronic/electrical field. :-O03:44
cladamw_wpwrak, so now:03:44
Action: DocScrutinizer idly wonders if there are .iso of CDs available in the inetrnets03:47
cladamw_1. if a SOT-323 shows, A-NC-C ==> we name it as 1-2-303:47
Action: DocScrutinizer hates mp303:47
wpwrakcladamw_: sounds good to me :)03:48
wpwrakDocScrutinizer: the better mp3 tend to be quite satisfying03:48
DocScrutinizerpin numbers are a defined property of a component03:48
cladamw_we name it as still 1-2-3 but since only two pads only, so name it as 1-3 03:48
wpwrakDocScrutinizer: and your hearing fades with age anyway :)03:48
DocScrutinizercladamw_: yup03:49
wpwrakcladamw_: the symbol would be named DIODE-13 (or similar)03:49
cladamw_2, if a SOT-323 shows, NC-A-C ==> we name it as still 1-2-3, but still only tow pads, so 2-3 03:49
DocScrutinizerwpwrak: mp3 is annoying, at very least for problems with gapless playback03:49
wpwrakcladamw_: the footprint (SOT-23, SOT-323, SOT-523, and so on) would be the same for all parts of that sort03:50
cladamw_so then become: ZENER-13, ZENER-23, or ZENER-1203:50
DocScrutinizerwpwrak: and the artifacts created by mp3 compression are mostly unrelated to reduced sensitivity of old ears at high frequencies03:50
wpwrakcladamw_: i would call the ZENER-12 simply "ZENER". agreed on the rest03:50
wpwrakDocScrutinizer: (gapless playback) that may be a problem of a mismatch between how the seeking is done and the encoding03:52
DocScrutinizerseeking? the idiocy starts with cutting a record in multiple songs03:52
wpwrakDocScrutinizer: e.g., i never found it difficult to jump to any time in an mp3. but of course, it would have to be a single mp3, not chopped up03:52
wpwrakyeah, the chopping is where the trouble starts03:53
DocScrutinizerI had a reason to suggest this particular youtube URL, it's a [full album]03:54
DocScrutinizerstill it's definitely lacking brilliance and transparency, when you know the vinyl and CD version03:56
wpwrakwith youtube, i'm not surprised03:56
DocScrutinizerI'm simply not convinced of lossy(?) compression, when a single 3.5" HDD can store .iso of >3000 CD03:57
wpwrakwell, nowadays, it does indeed matter less03:58
wpwrakbut for a good while, these amounts of data were important03:58
DocScrutinizerfor a good amount of time I had my second collection of CDs available03:59
DocScrutinizerand it already was missing CDs that weren't available anymore03:59
qi-bot[commit] Adam Wang: zener.lib: naming a new chip name ZENER-13 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/dd4051804:02
kyakhm. where is nanonote_defconfig in jz-3.3?09:22
kyakjz-3.2 is also missing nanonote_defconfig09:25
kyakthe last place i could find nanonote_defconfig is jz-2.6.38.. that's a pity09:27
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: components/EXPAND: add ZENER-13 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/cfe8f8511:17
wpwraklove them power cuts ...14:19
DocScrutinizerwpwrak: blackout?14:28
wpwrakmay have been some maintenance. i've seen a notice at a nearby shop a couple of days ago. not in my building, though.14:30
bartbesoh yes, worked my way up to 5th, only about 2000 minutes behind ChanServ14:40
bartbeswait a sec, 452 days? how's that even possible?14:40
wpwrakbartbes: you think the universe, including you, with false memories in place, was created less than 452 days ago ?14:44
bartbeswell, I'm not sure what it measures, but I haven't been on for 452 days straight14:44
wpwrakeven then, perhaps the universe started with a non-zero false uptime, too14:44
wpwrakmaybe it measures cumulative on-time ?14:45
bartbesbut then how could I be less than 2 days behind ChanServ?14:45
wpwrakmaybe chanserv14:46
wpwrakwasn't there all the time ?14:47
Action: bartbes shrugs14:47
wpwrakof course, it's statistics. and what good would be statistics that represent the truth ? :)14:50
kyakbartbes: you've actually been14:56
bartbeslet's check uptime ;)14:57
bartbes137 days14:57
kyakwave goodbye to 1 year and 3 weeks you've spent here :)14:57
kyakit's not an uptime14:57
kyakit's cumulative time14:57
kyak*12 weeks14:58
bartbesand I'm so close to ChanServ and qi-bot since it's obviously qi-bot measuring this..14:58
kyakyeah, it's like an ideal time :)14:58
kyakthough i would prefer qi-bot not to count itself14:58
bartbeswell, you know, I haven't really spent a year here, I've mostly been idle14:59
kyaki think i can make him ignore the ChanServ though...14:59
kyakactually, you are not even in top10 of idlers ;)14:59
kyakzumbi is trying to improve his idle ratio :)15:00
bartbeskyak: how does it define idle?15:03
bartbesor the correct sentence: what's its definition of idle?15:03
wpwrakthe saying "the sooner you fall behind the more time you have to catch up" comes to mind :)15:03
kyakbartbes: it's minutes/lines15:09
mthkyak: the nanonote config is there, but it's named differently15:09
bartbesin that case I should put as much as I can on a single line, should I not? :P15:10
kyakbartbes: if your target is to decrease the idle factor, then you should split it in as many lines as you can :)15:11
kyakmth: i see, thanks!15:11
bartbeswho said I was trying to decrease it?15:11
kyakyou are right then :)15:11
DocScrutinizerI friggin wonder how qi-bot can count online times of chanserv that are > than qi-bot's own online time15:35
DocScrutinizermaybe it's using /whois info?15:36
whitequarkDocScrutinizer: are you serious about lightning?17:17
whitequarkwell, I understand that a green laser powerful enough could create some ions in the air17:18
whitequarkbut I guess it takes much more to attract a lightning, too?17:18
Action: whitequark schedules some tests17:18
whitequark(... maybe I should write a testament)17:19
wpwrakthe main risk is probably that an alien SETI probe detects that powerful beam and activates its gravitational shields as defense, with the resulting shockwave obliterating nearby celestial bodies17:38
whitequarkI'm fine with that17:45
whitequarkwe have quite a lot of celestial bodies17:46
LunaVoraxHello everyone!20:51
DocScrutinizerwhitequark: I think the same. However a lightning stoke our neighbours house just 3 s after I stopped the green 150mW laser beaming into sky21:13
DocScrutinizerohnoes, apt gone21:14
DocScrutinizerinfobot: status21:14
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infobotSince Wed May  9 15:43:54 2012, there have been 2 modifications, 34 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 22 commands.  I have been awake for 5h 44m 7s this session, and currently reference 118544 factoids.  I'm using about 17808 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 107.89/2.53 child 0/021:28
whitequarkDocScrutinizer: have you tried reproducing it?22:57
wpwrakadded bonus if it also works with a cloudless sky :)22:58
DocScrutinizerwhitequark: nope23:20
DocScrutinizerby mere physical rules it should hit me, not the neighbour's roof23:21
DocScrutinizerIF it would cause anything, which obviously won't happen at 150mW23:21
whitequarkyeah, that's what I thought too23:40
whitequarkand I'd say that here power doesn't matter as much as wavelength does, no?23:40
whitequarkif you had a UV laser focused at the point at the top of your neighbor's house, it would have been much more effective 23:41
whitequarkinfobot: morons?23:41
Action: infobot cluebats some morons over the head23:41
whitequarkinfobot: _cluebats_?23:42
whitequarkwhat is this I don't even23:42
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