| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: pwr.lib: fixed pin name (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/5140476 | 02:44 |
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| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: js28f256j3f105.lib: removed duplicated pin22 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/f0ec97a | 03:02 |
| cladamw | (KiCad BZR 3494) it CANT detect an err about duplicated pin when ERC. It's bad. (i.e. I cant reply on the ERC in eeschema) Must do ERC in Library Editor prior to schematic editor. | 03:07 |
| wpwrak | yeah, i think it only detects duplicate pins in schematics if they cause some other problem. e.g., if two outputs drive the same net | 03:10 |
| cladamw | yeah. eeschema could detect some wrong while verifying electrical types, but i was amazing that it cant detect that Pin22's in flash chip even we got 0 err before. so i just finished all board-m1's symbols checked by "Test for duplicate and off grid pins". man! | 03:17 |
| cladamw | wpwrak, i just summaried some contents of your mails for http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Rules_on_Editing_Schematics | 03:19 |
| cladamw | some sub-tiltle names may be not good. few are I've not filled in. If you have new idea once, lemme know then we put idea in there. | 03:20 |
| cladamw | need more worse/bad, better/good pictures to show each rules. i'll keep working on this while i make sch better, the gta-02 pdf link is a nice example though. thanks. | 03:22 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: AD1580: changed pin text size -> 0.05" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/8eb467b | 03:42 |
| wpwrak | whee, schhist is back ! :) | 03:46 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: con.lib: fixed reference name, pin number/name -> 0.05", and correct style (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/a8f30be | 04:17 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: diodes_inc.lib: AP21X2A -> changed to nRESET and FLG pins to inverted style. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/1df0097 | 06:00 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: c.lib: changed reference & name size -> 0.06" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/42172b7 | 06:20 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: din_5_2s.lib: changed reference, pin name, pin number size. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/a4e7c54 | 06:26 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: diode, fairchild, filter, hole, ir.lib: changed reference, pin name, pin number size. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/8cc36e6 | 06:50 |
| wpwrak | cladamw: great page ! the illustrations really help | 07:20 |
| cladamw | wpwrak, :-) | 07:48 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: micrel.lib: changed pins types and styles (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/3e8eabb | 08:20 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: led, microphone, molex, nxp, pptc, rca, switch, zener, xlr-3, ti, varistor.lib: changed pins types and styles. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/1c7a85c | 09:34 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: js28f256j3f105.lib: changed pin style (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/411609d | 10:45 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: 67298-4090: making pins aligned to 50 mil grid (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/b45bade | 13:14 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: fbcon: Add 6x10 font (jz-3.3) http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/b13e7eb | 14:50 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: components/EXPAND: trace AVR-M1005C080MTACB to VARISTOR name change (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/541e543 | 15:11 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: fbcon: Tweaked menuconfig help for 6x10 font (jz-3.3) http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/aa23d3a | 15:33 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: MIPS: A320: defconfig: Switch to 6x10 font (jz-3.3) http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/6f86cc9 | 15:33 |
| Ayla | maybe Nanonote users want it too | 15:34 |
| mth | the NanoNote font uses special colored glyphs to get the best result on the alternating subpixel positions on its screen, afaik | 15:46 |
| mth | not sure if a generic font can beat that | 15:46 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Paul Cercueil: Read the credits from the "about.txt" file. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/c2576d4 | 15:58 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Paul Cercueil: dingux: added a link to disable the graphic mode of the framebuffer (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/45595e2 | 15:58 |
| kyak | mth: not using it by default anymore due to a popular request | 16:06 |
| kyak | default is 6x11 | 16:06 |
| kyak | which i would really like to replace with terminus by default | 16:06 |
| Ayla | ah, then you should switch to 6x10 too | 16:08 |
| kyak | the font you talking about is greta, but has no colors.. so we provide a special shortcut for that | 16:08 |
| kyak | in gmenu | 16:08 |
| Ayla | you can write in color, using escape codes | 16:08 |
| kyak | nope | 16:09 |
| kyak | it just doesn,t have colors.. | 16:09 |
| kyak | as mth said, it IS colored | 16:09 |
| Ayla | what is the value of $TERM ? | 16:09 |
| kyak | but special placement of ben,s pixels makes it look like it,s not colored | 16:10 |
| kyak | you dont, quite understand, sorry :) | 16:10 |
| Ayla | no I don't | 16:10 |
| kyak | there is an article in qi wiki , search for setfont2 | 16:10 |
| kyak | i cant,t give you the link right now | 16:11 |
| kyak | we can dispaly colors, but with other fonts | 16:11 |
| kyak | liks 6x11 or terminus or any other | 16:11 |
| kyak | just not that special font from setfont2 | 16:12 |
| kyak | irrelevant of TERM env var | 16:12 |
| Ayla | if TERM=vt100 you won't have color at all | 16:13 |
| kyak | did you read the article? | 16:14 |
| Ayla | I'm looking for it :) | 16:14 |
| kyak | it,s linux btw, but again, it doesn,t matter | 16:14 |
| mth | kyak: if you're using 6x11 now, then the 6x10 font I just committed is probably an improvement | 16:14 |
| mth | 3 more lines and more distinct characters | 16:15 |
| kyak | that,s for sure | 16:15 |
| kyak | does it have ascii onky? | 16:15 |
| kyak | only | 16:15 |
| mth | it's forked off the 6x11 font, same chars | 16:15 |
| kyak | ah ok | 16:16 |
| kyak | you should make it global then, ben users won,t mind :) | 16:16 |
| mth | the 6x11 font had a very large line spacing, so it was easy to remove one line from each char | 16:16 |
| mth | it's in the qi-kernel git; I don't know how to get it from there to NN users | 16:17 |
| kyak | we have this font in userspace, it,s loaded by startup scrapts | 16:18 |
| kyak | i guess we just don,t load it and then we will get 6x11 | 16:18 |
| kyak | 6x10 sorry | 16:19 |
| kyak | once we catch up with qi-kernel git, of course | 16:23 |
| kyak | mth: did you try that terminus font to see how it looks? | 16:23 |
| mth | no, but I don't have a NanoNote and the Dingoo has an ordinary LCD panel | 16:24 |
| kyak | if not, you should try; it,s really a nice looking font | 16:24 |
| kyak | even better | 16:24 |
| kyak | it,s not nanonote specific | 16:24 |
| mth | ah, terminus is not the colored font? | 16:25 |
| kyak | nope, it,s a regular font | 16:25 |
| kyak | but has more glyphs | 16:25 |
| kyak | i use it by default on my laptop as well | 16:26 |
| kyak | very popular in a cyrillic world | 16:26 |
| mth | it looks rather similar to the 6x11 font though | 16:28 |
| kyak | well, it looks much better.. but all fonts are similar anyway ) | 16:28 |
| mth | this is the 6x10 font: http://www.treewalker.org/temp/font_6x10.png | 16:29 |
| kyak | indeed very nice and has more than ascii glyphs | 16:31 |
| mth | it's the IBM PC character set, I think | 16:31 |
| kyak | i,ll try it on ben,s screen as soon as i can | 16:31 |
| mth | if you want to change character, here are the tools: http://www.treewalker.org/temp/font2png.py http://www.treewalker.org/temp/png2font.py | 16:32 |
| kyak | oh great | 16:32 |
| kyak | kick out something useless, add in cyrillic :) | 16:33 |
| mth | "font" format here is C source for inclusion in the kernel | 16:34 |
| mth | not sure what kind of format the user space tool wants | 16:34 |
| mth | but it shouldn't be hard to adapt the scripts | 16:34 |
| mth | they need the Python Imaging Library installed, by the way | 16:34 |
| mth | I didn't feel like writing an image decoder | 16:35 |
| kyak | it,s easy to convert between kernel c and usespace font | 16:35 |
| kyak | please kill the links yet, i,ll get to it in couple of days | 16:36 |
| kyak | dont,t kil) | 16:36 |
| mth | it's called "temp" because it won't be around forever, but probably it will take a few years before I remove them | 16:36 |
| kyak | good :) | 16:37 |
| kyak | where did you find the fork btw? | 16:37 |
| mth | I forked it myself | 16:38 |
| mth | I wrote the tools this morning | 16:38 |
| kyak | hehe, pretty awesome! | 16:38 |
| mth | and edited the PNG version in GIMP | 16:38 |
| mth | 1x1 square tip pencil, "x" to swap black and white | 16:38 |
| mth | at 400% zoom | 16:39 |
| kyak | it,s similar to what we do with setfont2 | 16:39 |
| kyak | setfont2 is a code name for that colored font if you wonder | 16:40 |
| mth | ah, I thought it was a package for changing fonts | 16:40 |
| kyak | you can have a look at according repo in qi git.. | 16:40 |
| kyak | it,s a package too :) | 16:41 |
| kyak | plus kernel patch | 16:41 |
| kyak | the utility, kernel patch, the font and utils to create such fonts | 16:41 |
| mth | you're using a 32x8 grid as well :) | 16:42 |
| kyak | yeah | 16:42 |
| kyak | so we get the same terminal size | 16:43 |
| mth | and using pygame for image loading, instead of PIL | 16:43 |
| kyak | btw setfont2 provides a 4x6 font | 16:43 |
| kyak | which it damn tiny as you can imagine | 16:44 |
| mth | we were using a 4x6 font from the kernel source tree, but it was very hard to read | 16:44 |
| mth | then Ayla switched to 8x8, which was an improvement but 40 chars per line isn't much | 16:44 |
| kyak | the regulat 4x6 font is not readable, but 4x6 from setfont2 is readable, though not for a very long time | 16:45 |
| mth | so we tried 6x11 which looked OK but 11 matches very poorly with a height of 240 | 16:45 |
| kyak | then your eyes start bleeding | 16:45 |
| mth | of course, as a prime number, 11 matches poorly with almost anything | 16:45 |
| kyak | yeah.. | 16:45 |
| mth | but 1 or 2 leftover pixels would have been OK, but it was over half a character | 16:46 |
| kyak | what a werid number to choose for whoever created that font | 16:46 |
| mth | it says it was intended for Macs, maybe they had hardware 6x11 chars? | 16:46 |
| kyak | they have a weird?resolution, which divides by 11? | 16:47 |
| mth | I don't know | 16:48 |
| mth | I was never interested in Macs until they started running unix | 16:49 |
| kyak | hm. weren,t they running unix from the beginning? | 16:50 |
| mth | nope, only since OS X | 16:50 |
| mth | OS X has almost nothing in common with OS 9, at the code level | 16:50 |
| mth | it was a rebranded Next Step | 16:51 |
| kyak | interesting! what was it before? | 16:51 |
| mth | horrible ;) | 16:51 |
| mth | some kind of cooperative multitasking | 16:51 |
| mth | wikipedia says 512 × 384 display; 384 % 11 == 1, so it's possible they used 11-high fonts on it | 16:51 |
| kyak | hehe | 16:52 |
| mth | I'm not sure if Macs even have a console-only mode though | 16:53 |
| mth | if it's only GUI, then the font height and screen res don't have to be connected | 16:53 |
| kyak | do you know if their licensing had changed since they switched to unix? | 16:53 |
| kyak | like.. they need to release the source code, don,t they? | 16:54 |
| mth | almost everything they use is BSD licensed | 16:55 |
| mth | GCC is the exception, but they're moving away from that to clang | 16:55 |
| mth | they do release a lot of the sources, even if it's not required | 16:55 |
| kyak | i rememer their vertical resolution is something like 1440, which doesn,t divide by 11 ) | 16:55 |
| mth | for modern Macs, yes | 16:56 |
| kyak | why would linux kernel fonts support mac anyway? | 16:56 |
| mth | but those render with subpixel positioning | 16:56 |
| mth | Linux runs on Mac hardware | 16:56 |
| mth | including old m68k ones | 16:56 |
| kyak | ah.. | 16:56 |
| kyak | sure.. | 16:56 |
| mth | Debian has/had a m68k version, but the build machines could never keep up with new releases | 16:57 |
| kyak | new releases of what? | 16:57 |
| mth | of upstream packages | 16:57 |
| mth | still better then IA64, where we'd get build logs with internal compiler errors | 16:57 |
| mth | s/then/than | 16:58 |
| kyak | so they had to reduce the number of supported archs? fuuny ) | 16:58 |
| mth | I think they have a half-supported category, where they do the best they can but don't consider broken or unavailable packages a reason to delay Debian releases | 16:58 |
| mth | "we" == "openMSX team" here, by the way | 16:59 |
| mth | we like to have our sources built on as wide a range of OS and hardware as possible | 17:00 |
| kyak | have to google the openMSX thing ) | 17:00 |
| mth | most exotic combination we succeeded on was OpenBSD/Alpha, I think | 17:00 |
| mth | openmsx.sf.net | 17:00 |
| mth | it's an emulator | 17:00 |
| kyak | mth: forgive me my ignorance, never heard of msx before | 17:05 |
| kyak | now i read abot it) | 17:06 |
| kyak | so it,s an old school calculator, put it like that | 17:07 |
| mth | Yamaha MSX machines were used in education in Russia in the 80's | 17:07 |
| mth | even with a kind of network | 17:07 |
| mth | not calculator, home computer | 17:07 |
| mth | like C64, ZX Spectrum | 17:07 |
| mth | you could connect it to a TV or to an RGB monitor | 17:08 |
| mth | and use it for games, for programming or for serious stuff | 17:09 |
| kyak | i read the hardware has been emulated on altera cyclone | 17:09 |
| kyak | that, reallt cool | 17:09 |
| mth | and the sources for that are available, so it could be ported to Milkymist if the FPGA has enough gates | 17:10 |
| kyak | thats what i thought of | 17:11 |
| kyak | mth: so msx is really dead, it,s just a bunch of enthusiasts? | 17:11 |
| mth | it's been commercially dead since about 1990 | 17:13 |
| mth | but still every year new games are released | 17:14 |
| kyak | really amazing! | 17:14 |
| mth | this is the most popular competition for new games: http://msxdev.msxblue.com/?page_id=378 | 17:14 |
| mth | I have to go now, talk to you later | 17:16 |
| kyak | bye, thanks for the talk! | 17:16 |
| kyak | i guess i can just install the emulator and go play these games.. pretty great, though im not of a gaming kind of guy | 17:19 |
| Jay7 | ZX Spectrum is the best! :) | 18:18 |
| Ayla | when I was a kid I had an Amstrad CPC | 18:20 |
| Ayla | ... my father threw it away x_x | 18:21 |
| kyak | first time i saw a computer it was pentium I. When i was a kid a never had anything like that, not even a gaming console like NES | 18:22 |
| kyak | actauuly i still have this old peice of shit around | 18:25 |
| kyak | my first computer | 18:25 |
| kyak | even the fujitsu 611 Mb HDD | 18:26 |
| kyak | but it,s still nothing like msx or zx spectrums which i completely misse | 18:27 |
| kyak | d | 18:27 |
| Action: Jay7 had russian ZX clone (Delta 48k iirc) | 18:34 | |
| kyak | did you throw it away? :) | 18:41 |
| Jay7 | kyak: it is broken :( | 18:52 |
| Jay7 | so.. it was lost in time long ago :) | 18:52 |
| kyak | but you have it for what matters.. fixing it is just finding a pair of straight arms :) | 18:53 |
| Jay7 | yeah.. | 18:54 |
| Jay7 | btw, lot of people in zx.pp.ru are still making clones of ZX | 18:54 |
| Jay7 | s/lot of// :) | 18:54 |
| kyak | i have dendy, the russian clone of nes as you defintely know.. but it,s unconnectable :) | 18:55 |
| Jay7 | iirc, it was connecting to antenna | 18:55 |
| kyak | some fucked up video out .. | 18:55 |
| Jay7 | or to video input? | 18:55 |
| Jay7 | ah.. | 18:55 |
| kyak | i might wanna double check | 18:56 |
| kyak | dont remember for sure | 18:56 |
| Jay7 | I've seen another dendy clone in local metro-cc.ru | 18:56 |
| Jay7 | it have price about $20 :) | 18:57 |
| kyak | yep | 18:58 |
| kyak | it,s pretty much available now | 18:58 |
| kyak | and even the cartridges | 18:58 |
| kyak | i have sega as well.. but it,s all postfactum | 18:59 |
| kyak | i missed the era :) | 18:59 |
| qi-bot | The build was successful: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/build-nanonote/openwrt-xburst.minimal-20120426-1605 | 22:01 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: fbcon: Tweaked 6x10 font (jz-3.3) http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/0a90ed3 | 23:18 |
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