| whitequark | DocScrutinizer: I was recently thinking about freedom and such | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| whitequark | look, there's CPUs, and they are proprietary | 00:02 |
| whitequark | especially when good | 00:02 |
| whitequark | but we'll have M1 SoC | 00:02 |
| whitequark | but also there are for example NAND flashes | 00:02 |
| whitequark | and chip cases | 00:02 |
| whitequark | and whatnot | 00:02 |
| whitequark | should we [we = OSS people] launch our own semiconductor industry? where the border lies? | 00:03 |
| wolfspraul | the boundary is where something works best | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think 'our own chipfab' is at least a factor 10E3 too huge a chunk for any community to bite and chew | 00:14 |
| wolfspraul | in other words - if a chipmaker (designer or foundry) can make a great chip today, that leverages software that we know well, then that's a chip we want to use | 00:14 |
| wolfspraul | DocScrutinizer51: sure, and it's nonsense if you know how diverse the "chipmaker" industry is | 00:15 |
| wolfspraul | I think practical, we know certain software best, and we are looking for ways to make that software shine in peoples lives | 00:15 |
| wolfspraul | I don't plan to work on a phd in physics the next few years | 00:15 |
| wolfspraul | neither do I plan to "recreate" what millions of people have worked on the last 60 years, aka "the semiconductor industry" | 00:16 |
| wolfspraul | but I think we can become much smarter in picking the right chips, yeah :-) | 00:16 |
| wolfspraul | that for sure | 00:16 |
| wolfspraul | I'm still mostly blind there, maybe some rays of light reaching me slowly | 00:16 |
| wolfspraul | good morning everybody btw | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | moo | 00:17 |
| wolfspraul | DocScrutinizer51: you still shed tears for Nokia? | 00:18 |
| wolfspraul | :-) | 00:18 |
| Action: whitequark looks at the window and recalls UGT | 00:18 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no, not for Nokia | 00:18 |
| wolfspraul | I somehow think they can't get out of that trap anymore, let's hope it's a large corp and they have some huge invisible growth opportunities somewhere | 00:18 |
| wolfspraul | we need to speed up and make devices that are better at mobile communication :-) | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | rubber dhingi | 00:19 |
| whitequark | what | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nokia's next field of excellence | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | building rubber boots boats | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tires | 00:21 |
| wolfspraul | DocScrutinizer51: what phone do you use right now? | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | N900 | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aka rover aka rx_51 | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's why I contribute to CSSU that's why I asked for alternatives to mtools | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lemme see... | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~cssu | 00:33 |
| infobot | cssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 00:33 |
| wolfspraul | ah updating is good | 00:37 |
| wolfspraul | I hope some generally usable libraries or packages come out of that, not just a huge mess tied to one distro | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wolfspraul: that depends on your metrics | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | while CSSU is also trying to be as much main/upstream as possible, our main goal is keeping maemo for N900 in a usable state | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't mean we'd not feed upstream with bugfixes, e.g. for gnome-vfs | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | to mention one example of last 2 days | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but for obvious reasons this project isn't much involved in creating new libs | 00:44 |
| wolfspraul | ok, got it | 00:47 |
| wolfspraul | I'm always interested in where new packaging and update mechanisms emerge | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then probably meego-harmattan and mer/nemo is more your focus | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | they all are OBSed now ;-D | 00:51 |
| wolfspraul | OBS? | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Opensuse build service (aiui) seems is the hot new shit now | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | they came up with 'buildyour own distro at a mouseclick' some 2 or 3 years ag | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | now they offer building $whatever for $your-target | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aiui | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | absolutely not my domain | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so all just what I heard occasionally | 00:54 |
| wolfspraul | I don't understand | 00:54 |
| wolfspraul | they offer build as a paid service? free service? | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | free | 00:55 |
| wolfspraul | hmm | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and maybe now even the buoildhost sw | 00:55 |
| wolfspraul | ok | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | really, no clue | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | check out #mer and #harmattan and what they do for buiing/pkging | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe OBS is sth completely different than opensse build server/service, and I'm telling BS | 00:57 |
| wolfspraul | I just wait until more generally usable libraries or packages emerge :-) | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Idon't get your definition of this | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, on my walk back home | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bbl | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | do you mean alternatives to apt/dpkg resp zypper/rpm? | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | .s/zypper/yum/ | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | not | 01:37 |
| wolfspraul | no 'alternatives' but more options to update running systems, yes | 01:42 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: changed AP2142ASG-13's package 8-SOIC to SO-8 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/af618b2 | 02:01 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: Merge branch 'master' of projects.qi-hardware.com:wernermisc (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/ef5fa7e | 02:01 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu: new package libzip (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a7dc528 | 03:02 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu: bard: DEPENDS, add libzip for EPUB support (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/bed9012 | 03:02 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu: gmenu2x icon: remvoe pickpdf (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/0ee9b4d | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, update running system - a rather ambitious task | 03:17 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu: Revert "add common.lib include R, C, LED" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/422df1b | 08:01 |
| wpwrak | naw, we should replace the kicad libs. they're too unreliable. | 08:05 |
| wpwrak | they change slowly over time and there's no telling what someone has installed on their system | 08:05 |
| xiangfu | wpwrak, Hi. | 08:09 |
| xiangfu | why you add './' to the 'components.pro' Library? | 08:09 |
| xiangfu | wpwrak, oh. | 08:09 |
| xiangfu | wpwrak, so you advice we add our 'common.lib'? | 08:10 |
| wpwrak | (./) i think relative paths didn't work without ./ in earlier versions | 08:11 |
| wpwrak | now it seems that they do | 08:11 |
| xiangfu | ok. | 08:12 |
| wpwrak | yes, we should make our own library of basic parts. in most cases, we can just adapt the default library. some parts need font size or line width changes. a few are very ugly and need redrawing, though | 08:12 |
| wpwrak | e.g., most/all the power symbols have a font that's too tiny | 08:13 |
| xiangfu | wpwrak, ok. got it. | 08:13 |
| xiangfu | wpwrak, so I needs revert again. :) | 08:13 |
| wpwrak | git revert revert ;-) | 08:14 |
| xiangfu | wpwrak, 'git revert revert' done. | 08:20 |
| xiangfu | wpwrak, do you we should use one 'device.lib' as base? | 08:23 |
| xiangfu | wpwrak, use device.lib overwrite this common.lib. then we start to edit it little by little. | 08:24 |
| xiangfu | overwrite the 'kicad-libs/components/common.lib' | 08:25 |
| rz2k | I'm surpised how many chinese electronic companies want to work with Russia, I just got back from ExpoElectronica and there was like 30% of panels having "seeking for representative" label. | 11:09 |
| kyak | they want to work with everybody | 11:13 |
| JCGsp | Hi everyone out there | 11:26 |
| JCGsp | the .sh on the debian 6 image used to compile openwrt updates the source? | 11:54 |
| kyak | whitequark: how can i force using rndis in linux rather than cdc ethernet? | 12:04 |
| kyak | i tried to preload rndis_host before connecting Ben, but it still selects CDC Ethernet (ECM) config | 12:04 |
| mth | kyak: afaik it's a compile time option | 13:54 |
| kyak | mth: no, it's not like that.. there are two configurations and the driver choses one of them | 14:29 |
| kyak | when i plug it into windows, it choses rndis | 14:29 |
| kyak | but when i plug it into linux, it choses cdc | 14:29 |
| kyak | and i can't make it choose rndis when i plug it into linux | 14:30 |
| mirko | what's the patent-situation with gif by the way? | 15:23 |
| mirko | is it free to use and distribute (now)? | 15:23 |
| wolfspraul | I would think so :-) | 15:24 |
| wolfspraul | that sounds like a question for computer historians :-) | 15:25 |
| wolfspraul | according to wikipedia, the last known patents expired in 2004 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gif | 15:26 |
| mirko | ah, ok - cool | 15:26 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Paul Cercueil: Removed the "wrapper" feature. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/7687212 | 17:21 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Paul Cercueil: Added a "show console" link parameter (Dingux build only). (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/e6ca072 | 17:21 |
| LunaVorax | Hello everyone! | 17:25 |
| whitequark | kyak: just unload & blacklist the cdc-ecm driver | 22:11 |
| rjeffries | I serached irc log for "zpu" only found one line from 2010. so maybe it is ok to ask this: | 22:21 |
| rjeffries | what do people think of http://www.alvie.com/zpuino/index.html ?? thanks in advance. | 22:21 |
| rjeffries | s/sera/sear/ | 22:24 |
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