| wolfspraul | should we auto-build all packages with debug info on? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| dvdk | remote debugging code in shared libraries is horribly difficult | 00:00 |
| wolfspraul | why do we have a buildhost :-) | 00:00 |
| dvdk | wolfspraul: not sure where the build binaries *with* debug info are kept. just in the build-directory, i.e. outside staging etc. would have to keep that. | 00:00 |
| wolfspraul | ok we need to look into that | 00:00 |
| dvdk | (i guess) | 00:00 |
| wolfspraul | it's been too long where a crash is like end-of-world situation on the Ben | 00:01 |
| dvdk | i get the feeling that our accelerated video driver is somehow miscompiled and failing at the dynamic loading level (after some parts of it code already running) | 00:01 |
| dvdk | uhh, why do i have a uclibc 0.9.33 on my ben, when openwrt-xburst staging dir is named "target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.32" !?!?!@ | 00:04 |
| dvdk | i hate it. | 00:04 |
| dvdk | did we upgrade/downgrade recently? | 00:05 |
| wolfspraul | yes I think so | 00:05 |
| wolfspraul | going with openwrt upstream defaults I think, nothing intentional on our end afaik | 00:06 |
| dvdk | hmm, that may explain any segfaults | 00:06 |
| dvdk | (?) | 00:06 |
| dvdk | git branch, and another recompile :/ | 00:07 |
| dvdk | oh nice, releases are branches, not tags, so I can still commit to them :) | 00:07 |
| dvdk | no, doesn't seem to help. doing 'make toolchain/{clean,compile}', i see that it now builds 'toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.6-linaro_uClibc-0.9.32' | 00:11 |
| dvdk | so ruined my build system for nothing | 00:12 |
| wolfspraul | hmm | 00:18 |
| dvdk | going to drop a mail to the list and call it a day. maybe next release-build by xiangfu is going to magically result in a working mplayer :) | 00:24 |
| wolfspraul | :-) | 00:26 |
| wolfspraul | thanks a lot for your help! | 00:26 |
| wolfspraul | n8 | 00:26 |
| dvdk | last minute update: it's Git again. didn't actually checkout a branch, but made my own. | 00:27 |
| dvdk | the typical bug-report mail solves itself just before hitting the send button :) | 00:28 |
| dvdk | ok, so doing the proper git branch -t release_2012-03-18 origin/release_2012-03-18' doesn't help. still 0.9.32 uclibc | 00:32 |
| dvdk | trying to update my feeds.conf to the one used for the 03-18 release | 00:39 |
| dvdk | n8 | 00:44 |
| wolfspraul | n8 | 00:47 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: removed XTAL-4 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/0dbeea0 | 01:17 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: recorded/added libraries (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/77a3a71 | 01:17 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu: nanonote-files: config.debug enable CONFIG_ALL for compile all packages (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/2f7f9bf | 01:43 |
| pabs3 | DocScrutinizer: coreboot is much less than a BIOS, its just enough code bring hardware up enough to jump into Linux (or a BIOS or whatever) | 02:05 |
| kristianpaul | ha now micro cells http://fail0verflow.com/blog/2012/microcell-fail.html | 02:27 |
| xiangfu | one new Milkymist image: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Milkymist_One_Firmware#2012-04-02 | 02:31 |
| kristianpaul | oh cool | 02:32 |
| kristianpaul | btw what's a nanonote image that have nanomap working? i want a lot demo that this next week to OSM comunity at ecuador | 02:33 |
| wolfspraul | nanomap dropped out recently, and I haven't seen the author in a long time | 02:34 |
| wolfspraul | maybe he doesn't care about the nanonote build much anymore, don't know | 02:34 |
| kristianpaul | droppped in wich sense? | 02:34 |
| kristianpaul | ahhh :( | 02:34 |
| xiangfu | kristianpaul, it's back. | 02:34 |
| xiangfu | but I don't have time release that yet. | 02:34 |
| kristianpaul | np, i just need a old working image | 02:35 |
| xiangfu | kristianpaul, this one: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/images/NanoNote/Ben/2011-11-13/ | 02:35 |
| kristianpaul | may be dont care because dont know.. who knows | 02:35 |
| kristianpaul | argh, also is not a crazy place whos streets are named y names and not numbers !! :-| | 02:36 |
| xiangfu | kristianpaul, if you want install the NanoMap. map data. you needs update the /etc/opkg.conf to : http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/packages/NanoNote/Ben/2011-11-13/ | 02:36 |
| kristianpaul | ah yes | 02:36 |
| kristianpaul | thats fast than reflash, isnt? | 02:37 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: that is all so painful to read, no? | 02:37 |
| wolfspraul | [the microcell article] | 02:38 |
| kristianpaul | wolfspraul: yeah a bit.. | 02:38 |
| wolfspraul | a disgrace actually, but open hardware will come to rescue eventually :-) | 02:38 |
| wolfspraul | stupid tamper protection that only protects from the average at&t manager | 02:38 |
| xiangfu | wolfspraul, do you think I should send one email about this build 'Tested Image (Build 2012-04-02)' to qi mailing list? | 02:38 |
| wolfspraul | random gps system to limit usage to regions defined by at&t | 02:39 |
| wolfspraul | gpl violations all over most likely | 02:39 |
| wolfspraul | 100% root backdoor left open out of incompetence | 02:39 |
| wolfspraul | and so on and so on | 02:39 |
| wolfspraul | and that is at&t! | 02:39 |
| wolfspraul | oh well :-) | 02:39 |
| kristianpaul | he, yeah that tamper is anoying | 02:40 |
| wolfspraul | the whole thing is wrong from a to z | 02:40 |
| wolfspraul | but anyway, rather than ranting we focus on making better stuff | 02:40 |
| wolfspraul | shouldn't be that hard once we get a few more pieces in place :-) | 02:41 |
| wolfspraul | in fact it will be a piece of cake to be better than this, for anyone interested in quality hard & software | 02:41 |
| kristianpaul | perhaps we can find a cheap traceiver somewhere else.. | 02:48 |
| wolfspraul | tranceiver for what? | 02:51 |
| kristianpaul | dunno, just thinking about a rtl-sdr like device wich similar freq but for TX | 02:53 |
| kristianpaul | that for me is the goal of osmo-sdr | 02:54 |
| wolfspraul | which radio protocol? | 02:54 |
| kristianpaul | but just thinking of course :) | 02:54 |
| kristianpaul | you mean modulation? | 02:56 |
| kristianpaul | i dont have a radio protocol in mind to be honest | 02:57 |
| wpwrak | GPS ? ;-) | 02:57 |
| kristianpaul | for TX ? | 02:57 |
| kristianpaul | not yet tought ;) | 02:57 |
| wpwrak | here's a fun experiment: set up a GPS receiver at location X. transmit (over the Internet) what it receives to location Y. at Y, send it on the air. watch :) | 02:58 |
| wpwrak | that's probably how the iranis got themselves a US drone | 02:59 |
| kristianpaul | haha | 03:00 |
| wpwrak | (well, the general approach. not precisely the same setup.) | 03:00 |
| wpwrak | just milled my first piece of acrylic. that stuff is amazing. precise cuts, good feed rate, and it's fairly robust. lightyears ahead of wood of MDF. | 03:39 |
| wpwrak | s/of M/or M | 03:39 |
| wolfspraul | nice | 03:40 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: added LP38511TJ-ADJ, LP38690DT-xx, TPS763xx into ti.lib (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/9a4745f | 04:27 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: added pptc.lib (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/40411fb | 04:27 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: about radios, I found this article digging into some of the radio architecture of the ipad quite interesting http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/technology-blog/2012/03/new-ipad-lte3g/ | 04:52 |
| wolfspraul | I both believe that radio will be the breakthrough feature for open hardware, and that we have to be very selective and careful in how we implement it | 04:52 |
| wolfspraul | on one hand we need very high performance chips on the front-end | 04:52 |
| wolfspraul | on the other hand we must not be dragged down by giant and moving targets that only benefit those that can quickly invest and recoup billions of USD | 04:53 |
| wolfspraul | still learning in this sector, as you know I believe in the GPS baseband work you do, and in the 802.15.4 wpan stuff. beyond that it's all learning and thinking for me right now :-) | 04:54 |
| wolfspraul | a true p2p network that can scale to the world would be cool | 04:54 |
| wolfspraul | so if I read the ipad article correctly, the baseband/dsp chips are from qualcomm (rtr8600, pm8028, mdm9600), broadcom wifi, and switches and power amplifiers from Murata, Peregrine, TriQuint, Avago and Skyworks | 05:12 |
| wolfspraul | I have only the best memories of Murata, too bad we weren't then and still are not ready now to directly co-work with them. they offered credible and serious support, really nice folks. | 05:13 |
| wolfspraul | I think my homework is to understand better what kind of chips those switch/pa companies are coming out with, and what might allow us to make really interesting radios | 05:13 |
| wolfspraul | and of course which of their chips have somewhat good open datasheets, are easily sourcable, etc. | 05:14 |
| wolfspraul | Murata, Peregrine, TriQuint, Avago, Skyworks. Piece of cake to get overview there, no? :-) | 05:14 |
| wolfspraul | that's roughly my current approach, but I am very much learning-by-doing | 05:15 |
| xakh | long story short | 05:46 |
| xakh | my nanonote is in a pile on the floor | 05:47 |
| xakh | I took my nanonote apart because the LCD didn't show when it booted | 05:48 |
| xakh | xiangfu you know how to fix the hardware? | 05:51 |
| xakh | wolfspraul any ideas? I know you and xiang know the workings of this thing, I have pictures I'm uploading shortly. | 05:52 |
| xiangfu | xakh, here is the inside: http://www.openmobilefree.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Disassemble_nanonote-1024x768.jpg | 05:54 |
| xakh | well, I know the inside | 05:54 |
| xiangfu | xakh, more infor: http://www.openmobilefree.net/?p=504 | 05:54 |
| xakh | it's splayed in front of me, I'm asking, how do I put it back together? | 05:54 |
| xiangfu | xakh, if the LCD cable broken. then it's hard to fix. have to replease the cable. | 05:54 |
| xakh | well, I don't know if it is | 05:54 |
| xakh | that's why I'm uploading a series of pictures | 05:55 |
| xakh | I don't have the capability to transfer them from my phone to my computer, so I'm emailing them, it may take a few minutes | 05:59 |
| xiangfu | ok | 05:59 |
| xakh | okay, found my transfer cable because that was taking forever, so now I'm uploading to imgur | 06:07 |
| xakh | Okay! | 06:16 |
| xakh | http://imgur.com/a/gfNyW | 06:16 |
| xakh | xiangfu do you see any problems, and if so, how to I put this back together? | 06:17 |
| xakh | *if not | 06:18 |
| xakh | wolfspraul maybe you do? | 06:25 |
| xakh | xiangfu are you still there? | 06:27 |
| wolfspraul | wow those pictures look bad :-) what do you try to tell us withi those pics? | 06:29 |
| wolfspraul | you need to reassemble your ben the way you disassembled it, hopefully nothing broke or will break in the process | 06:29 |
| wolfspraul | there is a connector on the mainboard where the fpc from the screen comes in, that is sometimes worth reseating. but it seems you took the whole device apart :-) | 06:30 |
| xakh | okay | 06:32 |
| xakh | how do I reseat it? | 06:32 |
| xakh | yeah, I'm kind of old fashioned with stuff | 06:33 |
| xakh | take the whole thing apart if you wanna see what's wrong with it | 06:33 |
| xakh | so the only real problem was it didn't seem the LCD was coming on | 06:33 |
| xakh | when I charged it, the red light would turn on, so I figured it was still working somewhat | 06:34 |
| xakh | but nothing else in the Ben actually turns on when it boots, so I have no idea how to tell if it works | 06:34 |
| wolfspraul | when you boot it (long press of power button), and then connect the usb cable to your notebook, do you see a new usb device appearing on your notebook? | 06:35 |
| xakh | well, not now | 06:35 |
| xakh | I think I did | 06:35 |
| wolfspraul | that's how you can verify whether the ben is running without needing a screen on the ben | 06:35 |
| wolfspraul | put it all back together first | 06:35 |
| xakh | okay, how do I... do that? | 06:36 |
| xakh | this graphite button fell out | 06:36 |
| xakh | and I have no idea where it goes | 06:36 |
| wolfspraul | graphite button? there is a tiny one on the side as a LED light guide of sorts, you mean that? | 06:37 |
| wolfspraul | you were creative when taking the device apart (otherwise it's certainly broken now), just use the same creativity to put it back together | 06:38 |
| wolfspraul | typically taking apart (without breaking) is harder than putting back together | 06:38 |
| wolfspraul | so relax | 06:39 |
| wolfspraul | one by one, and there's a good chance it will come back up :-) | 06:39 |
| wolfspraul | no rush! | 06:39 |
| xakh | haha | 06:39 |
| xakh | well, no the button that fell wasn't clear | 06:39 |
| xakh | it was black, with a rubber side and a black side | 06:39 |
| xiangfu | xakh, you mean the keyboard ? | 06:40 |
| xakh | no no no, it's just one button | 06:40 |
| xiangfu | xakh, oh. you mean the reset rubber button. | 06:40 |
| xakh | it was inside it? | 06:40 |
| xiangfu | xakh, yes. the reset rubber button inside the case | 06:40 |
| xakh | okay | 06:40 |
| xakh | the LCD ribbon is twisted over itself | 06:42 |
| xakh | is that okay? | 06:42 |
| wolfspraul | inside the hinge is makes a turn, yes | 06:43 |
| wolfspraul | but I have no idea what state of things you look at now - your pics are scary :-) | 06:43 |
| xakh | hahaha | 06:44 |
| xakh | okay, my hands aren't too steady, so my friend is plugging it back in | 06:46 |
| xakh | okay | 06:47 |
| xakh | which end of the ribbon is face down? | 06:47 |
| xakh | is it the brass that faces the logic board or the plastic end? | 06:47 |
| wolfspraul | don't know, but the contacts probably face down (towards the logic board) | 06:48 |
| wolfspraul | the lcm cable is soldered on the lcm side, and connected with a connector on the mainboard side | 06:48 |
| wolfspraul | so: if more than 1 side is loose, it's definitely ripped off and broken :-) | 06:48 |
| xakh | nothing's loose, I'm just asking which side to plug in | 06:50 |
| wolfspraul | there is only 1 cable coming from the lcm, and it needs to go into the 1 connector on the mainboard | 06:50 |
| xakh | right | 06:51 |
| xakh | it has a little leg though | 06:51 |
| xakh | it doesn't seem to connect to anything? | 06:52 |
| wolfspraul | right | 06:52 |
| xakh | okay, what button do I push to USB boot? | 06:59 |
| wolfspraul | if u-boot is still there, just press u and then power-on | 07:01 |
| xakh | xiangfu it says there's an ethernet object in it before I turn it on even | 07:02 |
| xakh | Bus 002 Device 009: ID 0525:a4a1 Netchip Technology, Inc. Linux-USB Ethernet Gad | 07:03 |
| xakh | get | 07:03 |
| xakh | is that right? | 07:03 |
| wolfspraul | that's your ben | 07:03 |
| xakh | wolfspraul is it supposed to read as that? | 07:07 |
| xakh | so that's right, and the screen is just messed up? | 07:07 |
| xakh | okay | 07:07 |
| xakh | so should I reseat the screen on the LCD side? | 07:07 |
| xakh | or is there a way to do that? | 07:07 |
| xakh | wolfspraul I know I'm probably bothering you | 07:08 |
| wolfspraul | not at all | 07:08 |
| wolfspraul | even though I feel we need a little luck to get your ben back to where you want it | 07:08 |
| wolfspraul | no you cannot fix or reset anything on the lcd side, it's soldered there | 07:08 |
| wolfspraul | is your screen showing anything now? | 07:08 |
| xakh | no it is not | 07:09 |
| xakh | it just comes up on watch lsusb | 07:09 |
| xakh | I do have a soldering iron | 07:09 |
| xakh | so if push comes to shove, I might be able to fix it that way? | 07:14 |
| wolfspraul | the analysis is too random for me | 07:16 |
| wolfspraul | if you really want to go down that way you may want to look into the kernel on the ben and see whether there are any clues in the lcm driver | 07:17 |
| wolfspraul | you can use a scope to measure signals on the wires to the lcm | 07:17 |
| xakh | wooops | 07:19 |
| xakh | okay | 07:19 |
| xakh | what is a scope in this case? | 07:20 |
| wolfspraul | you use it to measure the electrons that are flowing through the wires going to the lcm | 07:20 |
| wolfspraul | the scope can tell you what's going on on each wire | 07:20 |
| xakh | I'm not sure what a "scope" is | 07:23 |
| xakh | I have a small voltmeter, as far as electrical components are concerned | 07:23 |
| whitequark | xakh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscilloscope | 07:24 |
| xakh | where do I get one of those?! | 07:26 |
| xakh | wolfspraul is there something else I can do? | 07:27 |
| xakh | can I replace the LCD? | 07:27 |
| wolfspraul | are you sure the connection of the lcm fpc cable to your mainboard is seated well? | 07:27 |
| wolfspraul | no, not really | 07:28 |
| wolfspraul | plus we don't know what the problem is | 07:28 |
| xakh | hmm | 07:28 |
| wolfspraul | can you try to take a picture of the lcm cable connection on the mainboard? | 07:28 |
| wolfspraul | but maybe a little better quality than the earlier ones - in focus etc.? | 07:29 |
| xakh | OKAY | 07:46 |
| xakh | wolfspraul sorry, tether died | 07:47 |
| xakh | okay, I got the image | 07:51 |
| xakh | http://i.imgur.com/pP9Tl.jpg | 07:51 |
| xakh | wolfspraul you still there? | 07:55 |
| xakh | wolfspraul sorry if I'm a bit on edge, it's 4 in the morning here, so I'm just wondering | 08:00 |
| wolfspraul | get some sleep first | 08:24 |
| wolfspraul | I'm back in a bit.. | 08:24 |
| wolfspraul | thanks for trying to bring your ben back to life fully ;-) | 08:25 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: added MT46V32M16P in micron.lib (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/082adc5 | 13:51 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: added JS28F256J3F105 into micron.lib, added pptc.lib (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/76d5cfc | 13:51 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: added 67298-4090 USB CONN RECEPT USB STACKED R/A WHT HORIZONTAL THROUGH HOLE into molex.lib (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/f26dac0 | 13:57 |
| Action: kristianpaul click | 14:35 | |
| kristianpaul | your approach of course make lot of sense! | 14:40 |
| abushcrafterforg | I got a geeks phone zero for £60 or £70 off ebay. I gave in. I thought I could disable all the non-free rubbish and have a 700mhz pocket computer which has a vibrator. | 16:49 |
| abushcrafterforg | Then I lean or relean that on matter what I do it will always be a citzen servlalence device and the app to control root permissions for apps is proprietary and I can't fine control the compression of the video with out a non-free app thought the cam driver is non-free any way | 16:52 |
| abushcrafterforg | and with other smaller problems like no control of audio compression, text entry is not easy (So I can't do quick notes.) I am coming to the conclusion that I would be happier with a Nano Note. | 16:55 |
| abushcrafterforg | So didn't you say something about a new model? :) with usb host,etc? | 16:57 |
| abushcrafterforg | recently | 16:58 |
| whitequark | pabs3: sup | 17:51 |
| whitequark | abushcrafterforg: if you already have root permissions, you basically pwned your phone | 17:51 |
| whitequark | replace the app with SUID'd su | 17:51 |
| whitequark | if it has a patched kernel with their own ACL, find a local privilege escalation exploit (there's a plenty of them, as the kernel is likely to be outdated) and it'd be gone | 17:52 |
| whitequark | abushcrafterforg: their promise to free you from ties to operator is particularly hilarious (in some sense) | 17:59 |
| whitequark | e.g. here in Russia each and every (well, maybe 99% of them. doesn't differ much) phone is sold unlocked | 18:00 |
| abushcrafterforg | It's a geeksphone so I get root by default and support and hardware warranty. By "su" you mean the in terminal "su" command? I am not aware of a root permissions GUI. I have had look at everything in the F-Droid repo/store and google market | 18:32 |
| abushcrafterforg | empathy does not like long posts. | 18:33 |
| kristianpaul | there are source for schametics layouts and case for this geeksphone= | 18:34 |
| kristianpaul | s=/? | 18:34 |
| kristianpaul | s/=/? | 18:35 |
| whitequark | abushcrafterforg: then what do you mean by "app to control root permissions is nonfree"? | 18:35 |
| kristianpaul | argh | 18:35 |
| whitequark | abushcrafterforg: get root. install busybox. get rid of nonfree shit. | 18:35 |
| abushcrafterforg | I don't think so. It's a of the self desgin | 18:35 |
| abushcrafterforg | I have busybox they use cygron mod | 18:36 |
| abushcrafterforg | and I have start off with deleting market and its drm :) | 18:36 |
| abushcrafterforg | started | 18:37 |
| whitequark | http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Geeksphone_Zero | 18:38 |
| whitequark | flash cyanogenmod to it | 18:39 |
| abushcrafterforg | it all ready has it | 18:39 |
| whitequark | then I think that all the apps in it, except for maybe ROM Manager, are already FOSS | 18:39 |
| whitequark | or just OSS | 18:39 |
| abushcrafterforg | the official rom is cyanogenmod but with the google rubbish. I think the official rom had some fixs | 18:40 |
| abushcrafterforg | superuser is the non-free root permissions app. | 18:41 |
| abushcrafterforg | gui | 18:41 |
| abushcrafterforg | self = shelf | 18:42 |
| abushcrafterforg | though if plain cyanogenmod works then that would be easier. | 18:43 |
| abushcrafterforg | should get around to finding out. | 18:44 |
| abushcrafterforg | right must go and walk dog be back in 30 mins | 18:45 |
| whitequark | abushcrafterforg: I believe that superuser is FOSS | 18:47 |
| abushcrafterforg | where does it say that | 18:48 |
| whitequark | well maybe not | 18:58 |
| whitequark | then install this: https://code.google.com/p/superuser/ | 18:58 |
| whitequark | it os | 19:02 |
| whitequark | (is | 19:02 |
| whitequark | abushcrafterforg: https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_packages_apps_Superuser | 19:02 |
| LunaVorax | Good evening everyone! | 19:34 |
| kristianpaul | evening | 19:37 |
| abushcrafterforg | thanks what were your search terms | 19:43 |
| abushcrafterforg | ? | 19:43 |
| abushcrafterforg | ello lun | 19:43 |
| LunaVorax | ello abu | 19:44 |
| LunaVorax | :P | 19:45 |
| abushcrafterforg | :) | 19:47 |
| abushcrafterforg | Hello LunaVorax. :) | 19:48 |
| whitequark | abushcrafterforg: /join #cyanogenmod | 19:54 |
| qi-bot | The build was successful: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/build-nanonote/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120404-1633 | 20:33 |
| abushcrafterforg | /join #cyanogenmod | 21:50 |
| abushcrafterforg | thats empathy for you | 21:50 |
| whitequark | huh? | 21:50 |
| abushcrafterforg | gnome IM | 21:52 |
| abushcrafterforg | has gnome features but lacks other features and does not like long posts | 21:53 |
| whitequark | it's probably irc which has limit on line length | 21:57 |
| whitequark | or freenode | 21:57 |
| GNUtoo | kristianpaul, geeksphone one is qualcomm!!! | 22:02 |
| GNUtoo | kristianpaul, that makes it as bad as the htc dream | 22:02 |
| kristianpaul | GNUtoo: ah ! | 22:12 |
| kristianpaul | but | 22:12 |
| kristianpaul | if the release all source we get happy ;) | 22:12 |
| abushcrafterforg | no its that I can't see what I am writing. | 22:12 |
| kristianpaul | GNUtoo: so still OM phone beat the geek one i guess | 22:12 |
| abushcrafterforg | ? | 22:13 |
| GNUtoo | kristianpaul, first they don't release all the source code | 22:13 |
| abushcrafterforg | yes qualcomm evil grrr | 22:13 |
| GNUtoo | second, the modem controls way too much | 22:13 |
| abushcrafterforg | now to switch too Instant Bird | 22:14 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | thats better | 22:15 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | I wish I knew it's a spy device no matter what you do before I shide (can't spell) and said yes to dad. Maybe I had read before and forgot. Oh the cruse of it being cheaper at £60 or £70 :( | 22:19 |
| GNUtoo | http://replicant.us/2012/03/galaxy-s-support-upcoming/ | 22:19 |
| GNUtoo | altough paulk wants to do the gta04 first | 22:19 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | any way I am not enjoying android. now to join #cyanogenmod and see what I can do to improve my citizen spy device a bit | 22:20 |
| GNUtoo | what device do you have? | 22:21 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | Would ravar have gta04 but I don't have the money :(. maybe one day:) | 22:21 |
| GNUtoo | a galaxy S is cheap | 22:21 |
| GNUtoo | like between 150 and 200E | 22:21 |
| GNUtoo | so wait for it to be supported | 22:21 |
| GNUtoo | and once it's supported buy it | 22:22 |
| viric | gta04 is the name of a phone? | 22:22 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | new version of board | 22:22 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | smasung pay m$ | 22:23 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | £or was it $ 15 per phone | 22:23 |
| GNUtoo | why is that important? your freedom is more important than theses consideratiions | 22:23 |
| GNUtoo | viric, yes | 22:24 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | I know. I am stressed about it already. | 22:24 |
| viric | abush: why do you want a fancy phone? | 22:25 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | m$ of couse try to take away your freedom even when you don't use winloss | 22:25 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | viric: read the log | 22:25 |
| GNUtoo | viric, let me explain in simple words | 22:25 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | Ibut I will post again | 22:26 |
| GNUtoo | viric, are you aware that most non-free software spies or can spy? | 22:26 |
| viric | Yes. | 22:26 |
| GNUtoo | now knowing that, you may want free software controlling your phone because it would control the GPS, the microphone and such things | 22:27 |
| viric | for positioning, clear. tracking... | 22:27 |
| GNUtoo | now, to make that possible you need special hardware with a modem that is "isolated" | 22:27 |
| viric | and for the microphone, you could add some switch to it | 22:27 |
| GNUtoo | idealy the switch can be software | 22:27 |
| GNUtoo | like the main cpu(running replicant or SHR) controlling the switch | 22:28 |
| viric | ah, freedom and confort? | 22:28 |
| viric | comfort | 22:28 |
| GNUtoo | yes(if running replicant on a phone that is ok, like the nexus S) | 22:28 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | can you add a switch to the GPS. It could talk to the gps right, the firmware stuff in the chip? | 22:28 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | the can you is sarcastic | 22:29 |
| GNUtoo | basically the ideal phone has the following caracteristic: | 22:29 |
| viric | I don't have any gps | 22:29 |
| GNUtoo | * an isolated modem | 22:29 |
| GNUtoo | * only free software running on the main CPU(including bootloader etc...) | 22:29 |
| GNUtoo | the nexus S isn't that far from that | 22:30 |
| GNUtoo | it has the isolated modem | 22:30 |
| GNUtoo | but it has a non-free signed bootloader | 22:30 |
| GNUtoo | (and also has some non-free wifi+bluetooth firmwares) | 22:30 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | geeksphone was £60 or was it £70 on evilbay }:|. I thought I could at least remove the non-free software so I have a 700mhz pocket computer with a vibrator unlike the Nano Note but then I (re?)lean that no matter what I do it will always be a citizen spy device due to evilware in the SOC! :( | 22:33 |
| GNUtoo | unless you're very good at reverse engineering and low level stuff | 22:33 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | so in the end. its a disaster | 22:34 |
| GNUtoo | yes | 22:34 |
| GNUtoo | are you very good in C and low level? | 22:34 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | well I could always blow it up with gunpowder :D | 22:35 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | I have some :) | 22:35 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | but I can't afford that | 22:35 |
| GNUtoo | the first thing to do is to get rid of the proprietary libraries | 22:36 |
| GNUtoo | it's doable | 22:36 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | Thats what I made a start on | 22:36 |
| GNUtoo | then you'll need to go deeper in the modem | 22:36 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | bye bye drm | 22:36 |
| GNUtoo | since it's a shared memory you could look into the modem's memory | 22:36 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | I can't go that deep. Big newbie with no time | 22:36 |
| GNUtoo | and the countrary is valid too, the modem can look in the CPU memory | 22:36 |
| GNUtoo | ok | 22:37 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | lovey | 22:37 |
| GNUtoo | then maybe get another phone | 22:37 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | dad was not too keen on selling it (to some sucker). I guess he will have it. He don't care. | 22:38 |
| GNUtoo | a second hand galaxy S is not that expensive in europe, I don't know in countries like latin america where they have huges taxes on electronic devices comming from abroad | 22:38 |
| GNUtoo | ok | 22:38 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | but no money for nano note | 22:38 |
| GNUtoo | I've no nanote either(I've already too much devices) | 22:39 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | which I think is what I really would like. | 22:39 |
| GNUtoo | ok | 22:39 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | getting fed up with android design desions. I guess I will have to make do and remove the battery :D | 22:40 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | remove the battery a lot | 22:40 |
| GNUtoo | ok | 22:40 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | how sad | 22:40 |
| GNUtoo | at least you are aware for the next phone.... | 22:41 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | yep | 22:41 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | and I thought I knew, I had done the searching. darn memory. I didn't know all of what you lot have pointed out to me though. leaned some more :) | 22:43 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | a trouble with Samsung is you lose your hardware warranty. | 22:51 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | can't connect to #cyanogenmod hmm | 22:54 |
| GNUtoo | maybe you need to be registered on freenode for connecting on #cyanogenmod | 22:55 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | I am | 22:55 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | I forgot my password :D need to reset it | 22:55 |
| GNUtoo | but note that while cyanogenmod hate proprietary stuff, its users usually don't care about freedom and attack you on IRC if you do | 22:55 |
| GNUtoo | (its devs sometime reverse stuff because it's too hard to make the proprietary lib work) | 22:56 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | oh no not more open sourcers | 22:56 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | my brain now auto corrects things like linux to gnu/linux. I am now finding I have to go back and correct my self on articles about the kenal linux | 22:58 |
| GNUtoo | ok | 23:03 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | I digress | 23:05 |
| mth | Android is not a GNU system though, I think; at least it has its own libc | 23:09 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | I know | 23:10 |
| GNUtoo | as RMS says it "it has very little of GNU" or something like that | 23:10 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | Are you compiling mplayer with the OSD menu enabled? | 23:11 |
| Action: GNUtoo doesn't have a nanote.... | 23:11 | |
| abushcrafterfor1 | are you = all people. Sorry not so good at quickly writing non rubbish. | 23:12 |
| GNUtoo | but I use OSD for mplayer | 23:12 |
| GNUtoo | like on freerunner | 23:13 |
| lindi- | GNUtoo: rms does not use phones afaik so I wouldn't trust his analysis on that :) | 23:13 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | takes me ages to write something decent and to do it properly properly | 23:13 |
| lindi- | but I've looked at android sdk to get at least some kind of overview of what's going on | 23:13 |
| GNUtoo | lindi-, he was well informed(by me) | 23:13 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | lol | 23:14 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | I have based my menu on um geexbox | 23:14 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | need to put on internet. though it's not finished. | 23:15 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | one year | 23:15 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | :) | 23:15 |
| GNUtoo | gitorious? | 23:15 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | the FS one I was thinking | 23:16 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | i forget name | 23:16 |
| GNUtoo | ok | 23:16 |
| GNUtoo | savanah? | 23:16 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | yep | 23:16 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | but if you want it now I could see about a quick dump. | 23:17 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | You could get it off my using filetea.me i think thats the address | 23:17 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | html5 p2p file transfer | 23:18 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | cool stuff | 23:18 |
| GNUtoo | hmm what is it for exactly? a menu for the nanonote | 23:18 |
| GNUtoo | because I've no nanote | 23:18 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | not just for nano note | 23:18 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | It works very well on low res screens | 23:19 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | large low res | 23:19 |
| GNUtoo | ok | 23:19 |
| GNUtoo | do you have screenshots? | 23:19 |
| GNUtoo | is it based on the efl? gtk? | 23:19 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | I was devolping it when I used puppy | 23:19 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | no gtk | 23:19 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | Might more in frame buffer. I don't know | 23:20 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | more = work | 23:20 |
| GNUtoo | what's puppy? a GNU/Linux distribution? | 23:20 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | its displayed on top of the video. like subtitles | 23:20 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | yep | 23:20 |
| GNUtoo | ok | 23:20 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | a non-free one | 23:20 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | it was to much mork update app manualy | 23:21 |
| GNUtoo | so....what was the toolkit name? | 23:21 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | I don't think it has one | 23:21 |
| GNUtoo | and what distro do you use on your nanonote if you have one, openwrt? or jlime? | 23:21 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | man mplayer | 23:21 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | no idea. | 23:22 |
| GNUtoo | I know a bit mplayer | 23:22 |
| GNUtoo | but I usually develop stuff using the slave protocol | 23:22 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | oh the osd menu is not very well documented. | 23:22 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | bash me | 23:23 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | lol | 23:23 |
| GNUtoo | ok | 23:23 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | I see what can done with bash thanks to puppy | 23:23 |
| GNUtoo | but I never needed the OSD menu | 23:23 |
| GNUtoo | I made stuff like a radio application | 23:23 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | its very quick | 23:23 |
| GNUtoo | in the tray bar | 23:24 |
| GNUtoo | that doesn't require osd at all | 23:24 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | or right | 23:24 |
| GNUtoo | I don't know if I published it but it's very specific and hardcoded | 23:25 |
| GNUtoo | like radio addresses are hardcoded in the python program | 23:25 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | http://hg.geexbox.org/geexbox-1.2/ | 23:35 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | http://download.geexbox.org/releases/ | 23:35 |
| kristianpaul | GNUtoo, should have a nanonote ;-) ! | 23:44 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=geexbox+1.&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=drc&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1066&bih=1049&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=memgIYa7qm0UHM:&imgrefurl=http://www.instantfundas.com/2008/12/how-to-play-movies-on-your-pc-like-dvd.html&docid=2ny9HsT5KPOKaM&imgurl=http://lh5.ggpht.com/_S0f-AWxKVdM/STUWF8fEtrI/AAAAAAAADvs/tzEASNw3I-I/geexbox-menu%25255B1%25255D.jpg&w=512&h=384&ei=5S5-T9yuMsL80QXo1NSIDg&zoom=1&iact=hc& | 23:47 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | darn he's left | 23:48 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | for the logs: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=geexbox+1.&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=Qrc&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=2C5-T7DpH6jA0QXcy-SdDg&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CAwQ_AUoAQ&biw=1066&bih=1049 | 23:49 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | or = oh | 23:52 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | My scripts use mplayer's slave a bit. | 23:53 |
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