#qi-hardware IRC log for Thursday, 2012-03-22

qi-bot[commit] David Kühling: Fix Aseprite and Alex4 compilation with newest version of OpenWrt (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/d478f1901:47
wolfspraulwhen does David sleep?01:50
dvdknot at the regular times :)01:50
wolfspraulxiangfu: hi good morning :-)01:52
wolfspraulyour latest release has gotten some attention and people help to bring things back together - which is wonderful!01:53
dvdkwill there be a 03-18-b release?  given how much is still broken?01:54
wolfspraullet's continue to inrease the quality in builds and makefiles etc. to reduce our maintenance overhead going forward01:54
wolfsprauloh sure, why not01:54
dvdkbtw, will just have a (short) look on the bard package01:55
wolfspraulsometimes xiangfu is a bit lonely/overwhelmed, so he just kicked this 'release' out also for people to see the distro is still alive :-)01:55
wolfspraulthe long term goal is to increase quality, decrease maintenance overhead01:55
wolfspraulso that we can make future new products (hw+sw combined) without running into a fork/maintenance trap01:56
wolfspraulbut as we can see now, it's easier said than done - things get upleveled, other things break, etc.01:56
dvdkI guess most people (including me) won't have looked at he problems as long as it was still labled "testing" or "prerelease" :)01:56
wolfspraulsure that's ok, we all need to be efficient with our time01:56
wolfspraulhigh quality software does *not* rot, right? :-)01:57
kristianpaulI was trying last release today.. got few apps :(  (yes i'm aware rebase issues)01:57
Action: kristianpaul could had also try nanonote owrt from upstream..01:58
dvdkkristianpaul: wahat's missing01:58
wolfspraulkristianpaul: yes but it's correct to first remove everything that drags us down, and then bring things back depending on what someone wants, where a maintainer steps up, what is easy to un-break, etc.01:59
wolfspraulotherwise we would drag a bigger and bigger boatload of low-quality stuff with us, which would be bad01:59
kristianpauli dont remenner actually... i had installed the night build from late 201102:00
kristianpauldvdk: soem gtk based apps i think02:00
wolfsprauldvdk: I thought more about codecs, and I think we can and should really only focus on a very short whitelist, starting with Ogg*, and 100% clear free stuff only02:00
wolfspraulbasically what we do already :-)02:00
kristianpaulsure remove is okay02:00
kristianpaulthose were working  (wrong characters) well anyway 02:00
wolfspraulwe have nothing to gain by thinking that if we just include this one MPEG whatever or other borderline codec, where patents might have/should have expired, we are doing something good02:01
kristianpaulxiangfu: about jz4760, just curious when Miguel mention flash support that will require xburst tool support the specific nand chip that its board uses?02:01
wolfspraulit's better to focus on the best free codecs, and support and document them well02:02
kristianpaulor this is some how done by the xburst soc it self?02:02
wolfspraulmost likely videos or music for the Ben will have to be transcoded anyway02:02
kristianpauljust curious to learn a bit of xburst tool, big unknow to me so far ;-)02:02
xiangfukristianpaul, (jz4760) I don't think so. I would guess just some configure should be ok.02:05
xiangfukristianpaul, I found the gtk/qt moved to other package feeds. I added them back yesterday.  in fact include all feeds I can found. :)02:06
xiangfukristianpaul, so the gtk/qt will be back soon. 02:06
xiangfudvdk, I will try to fix the package from feedback.02:09
dvdkhi xiangfu.  fix which packages02:10
xiangfubard first 02:10
xiangfuthen ase 02:10
dvdkxiangfu: ase already fixed  http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/d478f1902:12
dvdklooking just at fixing bard02:12
xiangfuyou fast :)02:13
kristianpaulxiangfu: gtk, good :)02:19
kristianpaulxiangfu: jz4760, np, just vagly asking i dont hold much interested on it, just curious about xburst a bit as i said02:20
kristianpaulactually my nanonote interest are software related, i had lear some about openwrt and linux thanks to it :)02:20
qi-bot[commit] David Kühling: bard: fix compilation (various configure script fixes), still misses dejavu font (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/2c706db02:29
dvdkso where do I find the font packaga dejavu-fonts-ttf-DejaVuSans?02:30
dvdkfor bard?02:30
xiangfudvdk, it's under another package feeds: svn://svn.openwrt.org/openwrt/feeds/xorg02:32
xiangfudvdk, this is our new feeds.conf: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/openwrt-xburst.full_system/feeds.conf02:32
xiangfudvdk, let's wait this build result: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/building/Nanonote/Ben/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120321-0142/. it should build gtk/qt and font 02:34
dvdkah, ok wasn't here http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/images/Ben_NanoNote_2GB_NAND/latest/feeds.conf02:34
qi-botThe build was successful: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/build-nanonote/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120321-0142 02:44
dvdkok, bard works now.  packag here http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/dvdkhlng/openwrt/02:44
dvdkhmm, I cannot open .epub files; only .txt files.  maybe some libs still missing02:51
dvdkbut the speech synthesis is talking at least :)02:51
kristianpaulbte screen is getting white after a while.. let confirm again not been my broke bus..02:52
wolfsprauloh nice, wait02:52
wolfspraulyou can make the ben read a text aloud to you?02:52
wolfspraulI wanted to give this a solid try soon02:52
wolfspraulkristianpaul: check that your battery is charged02:52
wolfsprauland then check that the fpc from mainboard to lcm is seated well in the connector on the mainboard02:53
wolfspraul(hopefully there is no problem at the hot-glued connection on the lcm side)02:53
kristianpaulnot my lcm bus.. damn i hate my self for breaking it02:53
dvdkhmm, which pakcage has zip.h?02:54
kristianpaulnice size03:13
kristianpaulvoice a bot robotic but not that bad03:13
kristianpauloh, yeah missing gnuplot octave as well..03:15
kristianpaullinks or was elinks..03:16
kristianpaulah wait03:16
wolfspraulkristianpaul: what is the easiest way / command line to have the ben read a text aloud?03:17
wolfspraulrobotic, hmm. I am probably spoilt from some actors recording audio books.03:18
wolfspraulthere's no way software will easily match that in quality.03:18
kristianpaulbard --text some.text03:18
kristianpaulthen pressed s03:18
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu: add new folder for m1 Kicad (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/m1/5a5e33508:55
wolfspraulxiangfu: I think we want to keep the m1 kicad schematics/bom in github09:03
wolfspraulwait for werner & adam to pick the final location09:03
xiangfuwolfspraul, yes.09:03
kristianpaulOrder is being prepared for shipment. !, finally..11:02
wpwrakkristianpaul: digi-key ?14:42
kristianpaulwpwrak: nope, yet15:10
kristianpauldx.com i ordered a rtl-sdr compatible DVB-T dongle15:10
kristianpaulbut i will ! (digikey) just noticed i have two different SMD type of mechanical of capactitors..15:11
kristianpaulneed confirm list before order..15:12
kristianpaulshopping list*15:12
whitequarkwhoever asked about osPID here...16:16
whitequarkit has arrived!16:16
whitequarkI'm assembling it now16:16
kristianpaulwhitequark:acrylic is 3mm ?16:21
kristianpaulor 2mm?16:22
whitequarkkristianpaul: wait a sec16:29
whitequarkkristianpaul: 3mm16:30
whitequarkthey have a very... unusual way of mounting PCBs16:39
whitequarkthis is seriously clever, I could never manage to think of something like that16:40
whitequarkthey milled several narrow grooves in the acrylic, and added some screws (again, quite perversely mounted within acrylic itself, but I'm unable to explain _this_)16:40
whitequarkwhich hold the acrylic tightly16:40
whitequarkand hence, the PCBs are also held in place16:41
whitequarkvery, very clever16:41
whitequarkthese grooves are also quite coarse, which adds some friction16:43
whitequarkand the PCBs are like .1mm longer than the case itself, so they are forced to stay in those16:43
whitequarkboth firmware and app are... well, they're arduino.17:49
kristianpaulmplayer: can't load library 'libfaad.so.2'18:19
kristianpauldo we really need syslogd on the naonote?18:21
wpwrakkristianpaul: yes, because there's no port to connect a line printer to (who would print the log entries directly to paper, for the operators to review)18:46
rohkristianpaul: there are different kinds of syslogd18:49
kristianpaulalso nowdays logs are not reviwed by operators ;)18:49
rohi think what openwrt uses in default is fine. i think it logs into a fifo or so... one can read it via logread18:49
rohwhich is part of busybox18:50
rohsame as syslogd there18:50
kristianpaulah good18:52
wpwrakfifo sounds reasonably non-intrusive18:57
whitequarkroh: memory buffer, not a fifo20:58
whitequarkit's like dmesg20:58
whitequarkit's fixed size, small and does not incur nand writes20:58
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