whitequark | man, I don't know who has designed SMS protocols (PDU) | 00:36 |
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whitequark | but he was really high on something | 00:36 |
whitequark | http://www.dreamfabric.com/sms/hello.html | 00:40 |
qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu: gtypist: ignore line too long (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/d52629c | 02:37 |
whitequark | wolfspraul: (CADs) maybe Google is all evil and stuff, but SketchUp is amazing from the topic of UX | 06:30 |
wolfspraul | UX = user experience? | 06:31 |
whitequark | I've installed it within seconds and began to draw actual models within minutes | 06:31 |
whitequark | unlike e.g. AutoCAD or other enterprisey tools | 06:31 |
wolfspraul | what are you trying to do? | 06:31 |
whitequark | a laser cut case for my latest project | 06:31 |
whitequark | I've been quite impressed by M1's case and I will somewhat steal the idea of it | 06:31 |
wolfspraul | nice. which material are you cutting? care to share some more details? | 06:31 |
wolfspraul | perfect! | 06:32 |
whitequark | hm, green 2mm acrylic, I think | 06:32 |
whitequark | either on pololu or on a local Russian plant, whichever is cheaper | 06:32 |
wolfspraul | roh is using qcad to edit the dxf files I believe, and then feeds those same dxf into the laser, afaik | 06:32 |
whitequark | hm, I tried qcad and it gave me quite the same feeling as other ones. maybe I'm wrong | 06:33 |
whitequark | at least it was much more than five minutes which took me to understand how to use its basic functions | 06:33 |
wolfspraul | up to you. go with google, eventually they will drive you nuts as well. you have to decide how to best invest your time, and prioritize. | 06:34 |
wolfspraul | that's a difficult decision to make | 06:35 |
whitequark | iirc you like parametric CADs a lot, am I right? | 06:35 |
wpwrak | maybe try fped for footprints once ? | 06:40 |
whitequark | wpwrak: I won't do any pcbs for a while, but when I'll do, I definitely want to give kicad+fped a try | 06:41 |
wpwrak | you can also (ab)use it for 2D drawings, but you have to be sold on the idea of parametric cad before that | 06:41 |
whitequark | ah. maybe not the best idea. this is my very first CAD project ever | 06:41 |
whitequark | sketchup somewhat looks like a toy, but it's entirely sufficient for this one | 06:42 |
wpwrak | if you're comfortable with fped for footprints, you can try to take it into areas it's not made for. it won't excel. but it may still be less painful than the alternatives. | 06:42 |
whitequark | never actually used it, just heard about | 06:42 |
wpwrak | i've heard very good things about sketchup | 06:42 |
wpwrak | so far, i do my 2D/3D CAD in a mix of heekscad scripts, python/perl scripts, fped :) | 06:43 |
wpwrak | for 2D, i now almost always use fped. it's not great for general CAD but at least it's parametric | 06:44 |
whitequark | yeah, sketchup is really good from a novice's point of view. absolutely intuitive | 06:44 |
whitequark | I just looked at its functions for a few minutes, tried a few and I already understand which ones do I need to use (and how I'd use them) to make my model | 06:45 |
wpwrak | scripts also go a long way. e.g., i did this with a script: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/vialtray.jpg | 06:45 |
wpwrak | (the math for the curves would be too messy for any cad i know) | 06:46 |
whitequark | well, there's embedded Ruby in sketchup | 06:46 |
whitequark | so you can do scripting | 06:46 |
wpwrak | that was script -> toolpath | 06:46 |
wpwrak | usually with a gnuplot intermediate step, though | 06:47 |
whitequark | bbiab, need to run | 06:47 |
wpwrak | happy dog-walking ! :) | 06:47 |
whitequark | hm, made a small model | 08:36 |
whitequark | now I want to export it to dxf... | 08:36 |
whitequark | err... $540? sorry google, if it'd be $50, I would buy it. | 08:37 |
roh | i think there is some free plugin you can use to export. but i havent used it yet | 09:03 |
whitequark | roh: yeah, already found | 09:34 |
whitequark | wpwrak: got a little time? | 10:36 |
whitequark | http://rghost.ru/36960754 | 10:36 |
wpwrak | whitequark: that .dxf doesn't look happy (in qcad) | 12:25 |
qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: spool/: job spooler for CNC mill (migrated from Openmoko) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/cae-tools/6271d5f | 12:46 |
qwebirc36939 | #arduino | 15:08 |
wpwrak | lamest battle cry ever | 15:20 |
viric | where would you buy a mobile phone battery? | 17:17 |
viric | wpwrak: hehe | 17:17 |
wpwrak | i recently got one for my obscure little samsung x830 from BatteryUpgrade.com | 17:20 |
wpwrak | shipping is a bit slow but you can't beat the price ;-) | 17:20 |
viric | ok | 17:27 |
viric | 18¬ | 17:28 |
viric | I thought it would be cheaper :) | 17:28 |
wpwrak | the shipping ? or the battery ? | 17:29 |
viric | battery | 17:29 |
wpwrak | ah :) | 17:30 |
wpwrak | yeah. maybe you can find it cheaper elsewhere. the replacement batteries also aren't always a perfect fit. e.g., the one for my samsung is a little thicker than the original. but they're good enough | 17:31 |
viric | ah | 17:31 |
DocScrutinizer | sometimes they aren't | 17:58 |
DocScrutinizer | by any metrics of "good enough" | 17:58 |
DocScrutinizer | e.g when a 1800mAh battery turns out to have 650mAh | 17:58 |
DocScrutinizer | label printers are forbearing | 17:59 |
DocScrutinizer | so probably a decent noname 'compatible' one is usually the better buy to those "*original* (faked) genuine $BRAND" for a quarter of the price you'd expect | 18:01 |
DocScrutinizer | wait, there's been a nice investigation&report, though on one specific Nokia BL-5J type | 18:02 |
DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 | 18:03 |
lindi- | "23kJ" would make a shorter label :-) | 19:07 |
viric | wpwrak: what's the ietf protocol number for wpan? | 19:45 |
C-Keen | 4919? | 19:46 |
viric | I saw tcpdump 4.2.x includes a decoder for 802.15.4 | 19:46 |
viric | that reminds me of wpan, but I may remember wrong | 19:46 |
larsc | well 802.15.4 is the basis for wpan i think | 19:46 |
viric | Then tcpdump decodes it since july | 19:47 |
qi-bot | [commit] Jiri Brozovsky: The classic Dope Wars game. It needs to use the ash(default) terminal to fit (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/61ec128 | 19:47 |
viric | nothing new I imagine :) I was reading the changelog, and I saw that was added in the latest release | 19:48 |
wpwrak | (dope wars) nice ! :) | 23:39 |
wpwrak | viric: WPAN == IEEE 802.15.4, yes. that's not a number assigned by IETF/IANA, though. | 23:40 |
wpwrak | great CNC challenges of mankind #467892: making a small case with feature width < 1 mm out of wood. | 23:41 |
kristianpaul | wpan wooden case? | 23:42 |
kristianpaul | and even if cnc made it, do you think it will hold ? | 23:42 |
wpwrak | hmm, RF + hydrophile material. not sure :) | 23:43 |
wpwrak | i just cracked a 1.4 mm bottom plate, so ... | 23:44 |
kristianpaul | ah | 23:44 |
wpwrak | but at least no i know all the things that are wrong with my design :) | 23:45 |
wpwrak | s/no/now/ | 23:46 |
wpwrak | s/ needs a /1 option :) | 23:46 |
kristianpaul | indeed | 23:48 |
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