#qi-hardware IRC log for Wednesday, 2012-03-07

qi-botThe build has FAILED, see log here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/build-nanonote/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120307-0042/00:45
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: m1r4/dsv/bomshelf: use less alarmist message when overriding a component (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/04721da01:06
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: m1r4/dsv/SUPPLEMENT: various r4 replacements and new components (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/54dc72d01:06
Action: kristianpaul need quits its job -_-01:47
wpwrakkristianpaul: why ? do you need more time to play with qi-hw things ? :)01:55
kristianpaulwpwrak: yes well, i usually do have time but last week was all day busy and "running" from one place to another :/01:56
wpwrakah well, the have to make you do real work at least once a year ;-)01:57
kristianpaullol , yes :)01:58
kristianpaulwell, no, i mean just been victim of other people chaos with time asigments..02:01
Action: kristianpaul dont like that02:01
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: compile-openwrt-xburst.sh: don't copy failed build to IMAGES_URL (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/26a488a02:09
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: compile-openwrt-xburst.sh: only zip the files when successful (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c71889d02:17
qi-botThe build was FAILED: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/building/Nanonote/Ben//openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120307-0517 05:20
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu: m1/patches/rtems: fix-pmem-size applied at 2012-03-06 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/98b02f205:41
DocScrutinizerwpwrak: do you by any chance recall the details about audio quality of electrolytic vs ceramic C I once dug up?06:20
DocScrutinizerIIRC the ceramic ones are prone to introducing non-linear distortions due to piezoceramic effects?06:21
DocScrutinizeran effect also visible in their weird capacity/real-voltage diagrams06:22
DocScrutinizerwpwrak: I think if real-estate constrains are not really the main issue, we better stick with electrolytic polarized Cs for audio decoupling06:24
DocScrutinizerIIRC06:24
DocScrutinizerif ceramic, then massive over-dimensioning of voltage makes sense I guess06:25
Action: valhalla is doing a bit of non-tech liberation by removing an ipod shaped pocket from a vest and adding a nanonote shaped one :)08:30
wolfspraul:-)08:35
valhalla(not that the nanonote didn't fit in the ipod shaped pocket, but it feels nice not to have it anymore :)08:41
Action: Ayla do not like09:49
wpwrakAyla: it's CNC-friendly :)09:51
Aylaah :)09:52
rohhrhr09:52
viricvery-cheap-cnc-friendly you mean?09:53
viric:)09:53
rohif its complicated, one can still laser it09:54
rejonyes, totally09:55
rejonsimple09:55
wpwrakviric: "efficient" :) 09:55
rejonI need to post up the clean SVG version of it09:55
rohi'd like a constructive version of it. as in relations of lines and ratios09:55
viricthe SVG is thick lines or polygons? ;)09:55
wpwrakroh: donation of laser engravers gladly accepted ;-)09:55
whitequarkso 199509:56
wpwrakwhitequark: fashion is cyclic :)09:56
rejonthe design is a abstracted chinese symbol for qi09:59
rejonbut also looks like a flag09:59
wpwrakah, didn't think of the flag. indeed :)10:00
wpwrakviric: it doesn't look so cheap in real life: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/labsw/web/10:00
rejonit stands out10:01
rejonhttp://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Qi-hardware-logo-drawing.svg10:01
rejonok put up10:01
rejonalso want us to get away from this black tshirt thing10:02
rejontowards greeeeen10:02
rejonactually RGB10:02
qi-botThe build was FAILED: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/building/Nanonote/Ben/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120307-0959 10:02
viricwpwrak: you use that to mill?10:03
wpwrakviric: hmm ? my mill is a roland MDX-1510:05
rejonwpwrak, what is a link to the design you made?10:05
rejoncan' find it10:05
viricwpwrak: why you pointed me to that web? :)10:06
roheverybody should have 2-3 xyz tables with different toolheads10:07
wpwrakrejon: it's here: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/wernermisc/source/tree/master/labsw/mech/10:09
rejongreat10:10
wpwrakif you open front.fpd with fped, the front-cut design is for the machining and front-panel is for the outline of the elements appearing on the front10:15
rejonwpwrak, feel free to add anything to that page I just sent out10:16
rejonfeel like there is probably mor that is needed10:17
rejonwpwrak, updated: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Logo10:24
nuxxhello11:22
nuxxare you good11:22
kyakare we good?11:34
wolfspraulah well, I had a little super glue (cyanoacrylate) accident :-)12:50
wolfspraulwhat happened is that I didn't wait long enough for the cyanoacrylate to cure before tilting the pcb, upon which it ran down the pcb and into 3 USB connectors with plugs inserted12:51
wolfspraulthose 3 plugs are now connected for life, it seems :-)12:51
rohghrhr12:52
wolfspraulI tried to remove them but fear breaking the pcb or solder joints. so next I guess I need to try acetone or nitromethane as a solvent?12:52
wolfspraulanybody done this before?12:52
wolfspraulroh: yeah, well :-)12:52
wolfspraulit's ok. learning.12:52
wolfspraulcan't believe how strong those USB connectors seem now, amazing12:52
wolfspraulI mean the inserted plugs. as if they would have been produced like this.12:53
wolfspraulseems the cyanoacrylate travels along surfaces well...12:53
wolfspraulroh: any chance a solvent can follow the path the super glue took into the connector and solve it all?12:54
wolfspraulmaybe I can dip the entire pcb in a bath of acetone? :-)12:54
wolfspraulwho knows what else that might break though12:54
rohwolfspraul: not sure12:55
wolfspraulcladamw: hi good evening - still there?13:00
cladamwwolfspraul, hi yes13:01
wolfspraulah hi :-)13:01
wolfspraulI accidentally had some super glue (cyanoacrylate) run into some USB connectors with USB plugs inserted at that time13:01
wolfsprauland now they are inserted for life :-)13:01
wolfspraulquestion: how can I free them again?13:02
wolfspraulsolvents seem to be acetone or nitromethane13:02
wolfspraulhave you used them?13:02
rohwolfspraul: whatever you try.. do an experiment first. glue some garbage and try your solvents13:02
wolfspraulshould I just try with a drop of acetone, or can I dip the entire pcb into acetone?13:02
wolfspraulroh: let's see whether Adam knows something. whatever nastiness you can imagine, I think Adam did it already at least once :-)13:03
rohmake sure you have a window open13:03
wolfsprauldon't tell me that, I live in Beijing13:03
rohi am told that air in beijing is like smoking cigarettes.. thats still better than to fall over from acetone13:04
rohnot sure if its really that extreme. wasnt there yet13:05
wolfspraulwho knows, but of course your comment is appreciated13:06
qi-botThe build was FAILED: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/building/Nanonote/Ben/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120307-1302 13:06
wolfspraulchemicals should be treated seriously13:06
wolfspraulcladamw: we can chat about the glue & solvent tomorrow, it's late...13:09
cladamwwolfspraul, well...i cleaned and dissolved before, can't find an real english name, and brand, p/n to you now. I need to search more from Chinese products then backwarding to know. sorry.13:14
wolfspraulno need13:14
wolfspraulI will try acetone :-)13:14
cladamwha... your trial and error will surely give quickly an answer. :-)13:15
qi-bot[commit] kyak: trunk: add ks7010 support patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5cfd8a713:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/6a557e013:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: update to 2010.06 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ddc990f13:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: enable-silent-console.patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b04298a13:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot silent console (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ca4d2cb13:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: ben nanonote: forward patches to linux-3.0 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/fd6b4ce13:53
qi-bot[commit] kyak: kernel-3.0: add fbcon color fonts patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/56ecc9b13:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: base-files: add hostname (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/d330cd213:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: xburst: update config-3.0 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/3bdb48013:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: xburst: ben nanonote: first add WPAN(atben,atusb) driver (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/dc637c913:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: add WPAN(atben,atusb) kernel module file (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/f2ec0f113:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: WPAN: disable AutoLoad on at86rf230, spi_atben. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/a7b1c7913:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: xburst qi_lb60 disable WPAN kernel options (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/77d284213:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: change load kernel size (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/d53cef113:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: add nanonote slash screen (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/9a8198f13:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: select the nanonote slash screen (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ed618f213:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu:  this commit break the ks7010 driver. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/abf0eb013:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: wpan.mk: fix typo thanks blogic and jivs (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/15eef9513:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote base file: change the openDNS to Google public DNS (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/555da2613:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: update xburst qi_lb60 to linux-v3.2.1 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/2361a3f13:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: compile-openwrt-xburst.sh code style cleanup (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/4e7ae6513:54
qi-botThe build was FAILED: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/building/Nanonote/Ben/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120307-1426 14:29
qi-bot[commit] kyak: trunk: add ks7010 support patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ed4515815:00
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/610823a15:00
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: update to 2010.06 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/65057cd15:00
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: enable-silent-console.patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ae29c3915:00
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot silent console (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/8eccd4315:00
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: ben nanonote: forward patches to linux-3.0 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/1c406da15:00
qi-bot[commit] kyak: kernel-3.0: add fbcon color fonts patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5d2645215:00
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: base-files: add hostname (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/72e744f15:00
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: xburst: update config-3.0 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5d17b9a15:00
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: xburst: ben nanonote: first add WPAN(atben,atusb) driver (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/9a1322f15:00
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: add WPAN(atben,atusb) kernel module file (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/425f09d15:00
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: WPAN: disable AutoLoad on at86rf230, spi_atben. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b47bece15:00
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: xburst qi_lb60 disable WPAN kernel options (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/f0ca97015:00
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: change load kernel size (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/627ee5c15:00
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: add nanonote slash screen (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/e1ec18215:00
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: select the nanonote slash screen (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/90f727915:00
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu:  this commit break the ks7010 driver. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/8fa133715:00
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: wpan.mk: fix typo thanks blogic and jivs (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/484be4115:00
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote base file: change the openDNS to Google public DNS (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/76c9a5d15:00
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: update xburst qi_lb60 to linux-v3.2.1 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c2528ed15:00
qi-botThe build was FAILED: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/building/Nanonote/Ben/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120307-1549 16:04
qi-botThe build was FAILED: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/building/Nanonote/Ben/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120307-1715 17:29
jow_laptopseems net/mac802154/main.c needs an #include <linux/module.h>20:55
jow_laptop(regarding the latest build fails above)20:56
larsclinux/export.h contains MODULE_EXPORT and friends now (module.h still includes export.h though)21:07
jow_laptopah ok21:09
whitequarkaha! osPID (which is really opensource) is shipping, and my one is going to me already!22:52
whitequarkhttp://www.ospid.com/blog/resources/getting-started/22:52
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