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whitequark | I think I heard a particular word on this channel, but I couldn't recall why | 09:20 |
whitequark | and the top google hit is my own question on StackExchange | 09:20 |
whitequark | http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/57164/a-word-for-a-symbol-which-has-outlived-its-origin | 09:20 |
whitequark | IIRC, it was said by DocScrutinizer, but I couldn't find it in logs | 09:21 |
whitequark | something about telephony, maybe | 09:21 |
DocScrutinizer | not by me | 09:23 |
whitequark | ok | 09:25 |
whitequark | maybe you have an idea? that was in last two weeks | 09:25 |
pabs3 | if there was ever a case for free hardware: "A lot of cards, particularly SanDisk and Pretec seem to have the ability to cheat the benchmarks (including iozone) with smaller test sizes." http://www.altechnative.net/?p=408 | 09:54 |
zrafa_ | kristianpaul: wpwrak : You there? | 16:03 |
zrafa_ | kristianpaul: from http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ae0PmYTPcTs/Sc_cW6s8j1I/AAAAAAAAAOk/U32TDh4FKEU/s1600-h/Coreduino_Schematic.png I would like to know which capacitor C1 to buy. | 16:04 |
zrafa_ | it says 15pf | 16:04 |
zrafa_ | I check this picture : http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ae0PmYTPcTs/SfjBj66xWmI/AAAAAAAAAS0/OE7MNLUS_dY/s1600-h/Coreduino_Top1.jpg (the capacitor is the bottom right) | 16:04 |
zrafa_ | And from digikey I find this : http://search.digikey.com/us/es/cat/capacitors/ceramic/131083?k=15pf | 16:05 |
zrafa_ | I do not know if I should choose one of 10V. Or how to know? | 16:06 |
zrafa_ | some help? :) | 16:08 |
kristianpaul | zrafa_: but the one that looks like a lenteja | 16:08 |
kristianpaul | s/but/buy | 16:08 |
kristianpaul | ahh this smd stuff | 16:08 |
kristianpaul | 10V should be okay, what cares more is package for you smd | 16:09 |
zrafa_ | kristianpaul: ah.. okey Thanks :) | 16:09 |
zrafa_ | kristianpaul: I am trying to do the parts list, so I can ask in a local shop in my city | 16:10 |
kristianpaul | cool :) | 16:11 |
kristianpaul | (local shop part) | 16:11 |
zrafa_ | kristianpaul: http://search.digikey.com/us/es/products/0201ZA150JAT2A/0201ZA150JAT2A-ND/1596982 | 16:13 |
zrafa_ | kristianpaul: ese estara bien? ^ | 16:13 |
wpwrak | zrafa_: C0G/NP0 is important. voltage ... at that capacitance, you can't get one so low that it would matter ;-) | 16:16 |
wpwrak | and, better smt than lens-shaped (through-hole) | 16:16 |
zrafa_ | wpwrak: then?.. What do you think? the link http://search.digikey.com/us/es/products/0201ZA150JAT2A/0201ZA150JAT2A-ND/1596982 would work? (sorry both of you for the ultra 0 knowledge questions). | 16:18 |
wpwrak | 15pF a the bottom doesn't sound right. it should be right next to the crystal. we're talking about C1/C2, right ? they're probably at the bottom of the PCB, so you don't see them | 16:18 |
wpwrak | it would work, but i'd like to watch you solder it ;-) | 16:19 |
wpwrak | have you looked at the size ? :) | 16:19 |
zrafa_ | wpwrak: you are right: C1 is here : http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ae0PmYTPcTs/SdE8EmewPcI/AAAAAAAAARU/Pw0zyVzKNQU/s1600-h/Coreduino_Bottom_Assy.png | 16:19 |
zrafa_ | wpwrak: I was checking bad :P | 16:20 |
wpwrak | 0.6 mm x 0.3 mm :) | 16:20 |
wpwrak | if you're reusing the layout, you should match the package sizes | 16:20 |
wpwrak | he's probably using 0603 or such. 0805 is he's clumsy. 0402 if he's ambitious. 0201 only if he's crazy :) | 16:20 |
zrafa_ | yes, I would like to use the layout of that. In fact, I want to do the same exact thing because I could not make another different similar | 16:21 |
wpwrak | so you need the full BOM, with component sizes | 16:21 |
zrafa_ | wpwrak: because these are not millions of components I am trying to find all of them in digikey to ask in the shop | 16:22 |
zrafa_ | later. | 16:22 |
wpwrak | yes, shopping at digi-key is a good idea | 16:22 |
wpwrak | "shop" you mean a local shop ? good luck ... :) | 16:22 |
zrafa_ | haha :D | 16:23 |
zrafa_ | they bring stuff if you ask them to bring. I am guessing that they buy them in some shop in BA.. or something like that. (Or in digi key :) ) | 16:24 |
zrafa_ | wpwrak: btw, what is the ADUANA AR situation with digikey ? If we buy some stuff with digikey? AR ADUANA will me ask to go to ezeiza? :P | 16:24 |
wpwrak | if they have to order things, it usually takes a long time. and you pay everything you'd have to pay if you had ordered yourself, plus the commission of the distrobutor | 16:25 |
wpwrak | good question. i think we'll have to wait a few more days before we can tell what effect the new customs madness has on such things | 16:26 |
wpwrak | my plan is to call fedex next week and ask them if the "regimen simple" still works. if yes, maybe make a test order | 16:27 |
zrafa_ | ah.. cool. | 16:28 |
zrafa_ | might electrocomponents has these kind of components? | 16:28 |
wpwrak | last time i checked, they would have had to order | 16:31 |
wpwrak | maybe elko is better ... lemme see where they're hiding their web site ... | 16:32 |
wpwrak | http://www.elkonet.com/iweb/ | 16:33 |
wpwrak | at least their online catalog seems to have nothing smt ... | 16:33 |
wpwrak | ah wait .. maybe | 16:34 |
wpwrak | ah, they do have smt. sorry. just weird navigation | 16:36 |
wpwrak | for your 15 pF cap, a lot of 0805, and one 0603 | 16:36 |
wpwrak | http://www.elkonet.com/iweb/modules.php?op=modload&name=iweb_ii&file=listado&grupo=2&min=30&sortby=cod&sortorder=ASC&sString=15%20pf&offset=15&productos=s&flia=9 | 16:38 |
wpwrak | not sure what the price means. they don't specify a minimum order quantity. if it's for any quantity, including 1, it's cheap. if you have to buy an entire reel (4000 pieces), then it's expensive | 16:39 |
wpwrak | they also don't indicate if they have stock. so this could also be just a catalog of things you can order. and then it takes 2-6 weeks until they arrive. you need to ask them how things work there. | 16:41 |
zrafa_ | wpwrak: great.. let me check.. | 17:11 |
zrafa_ | wpwrak: ah I did not know elkonet | 17:24 |
whitequark | has anyone ever said "skeuomorph" on this channel? | 18:46 |
wpwrak | or aphieliiz4aeneizoo1O | 18:56 |
wpwrak | (pwgen is great for creating any number of unique "words") | 18:57 |
whitequark | wpwrak: I was searching for "skeuomorph", er, most part of the day | 19:00 |
whitequark | thank StackExchange for the answer: http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/57164/a-word-for-a-symbol-which-has-outlived-its-origin/57184#57184 | 19:00 |
whitequark | because I've seen it somewhere on the IRC | 19:00 |
whitequark | and I couldn't remember where or who did say it | 19:00 |
whitequark | and I has been writing a sentence when this very word was so entierly appropriate that I couldn't resist an urge to search for it | 19:01 |
wpwrak | :) | 19:03 |
larsc | sadly the reader of that sentence will probably not understand it ;) | 19:03 |
whitequark | does not matter. I know she'll grab a dictionary in such a case anyway | 19:05 |
kristianpaul | lindi-: hi | 20:17 |
kristianpaul | lindi-: you still maintaining debian package for rtklib? | 20:18 |
lindi- | kristianpaul: depends on what that means, it's not in debian | 20:18 |
kristianpaul | yes sure, your own debian repo i meant ;) | 20:18 |
lindi- | kristianpaul: my personal RTK-GPS project is on hold until I can get a better antenna | 20:18 |
kristianpaul | oh, i see | 20:19 |
lindi- | just couldn't get it to work with baselines longer than a few hundred meters | 20:19 |
lindi- | kristianpaul: are you using rtklib? | 20:23 |
kristianpaul | nope i dont | 20:29 |
kristianpaul | but i think and if you dont i'll said somedody join here and ask by it self | 20:29 |
roh | what kind of antenna do you need? | 20:29 |
kristianpaul | lindi-: but a debian package binary is always nice to have :-)= | 20:33 |
lindi- | kristianpaul: if somebody is interested I'm happy to sponsor uploading the package | 20:37 |
lindi- | kristianpaul: but I'd rather not do it when I'm the only part-time user | 20:38 |
kristianpaul | i got contacted by a guy from argentina, may be he will join here and tell us more what is trying to fo.. | 20:38 |
kristianpaul | s/fo/do | 20:38 |
lindi- | roh: preferably something that comes with a phase center variation model. http://gpspp.sakura.ne.jp/anteva/antpcv.htm has a list | 20:39 |
lindi- | roh: I'm using no-name 15 EUR antennas | 20:40 |
roh | uhm. i see | 20:41 |
roh | i only have another of the external active antennas from openmoko around | 20:41 |
roh | 3m cable or so, remote fed with 3V or so | 20:41 |
lindi- | also no-name? | 20:42 |
roh | i guess so | 20:42 |
roh | its not labeled beyond 'GPS' | 20:42 |
lindi- | yeah, probably the same ones I have | 20:42 |
Action: kristianpaul needs a gps atenna for its motorcycle | 20:43 | |
lindi- | roh: slide 20 of http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/finhack/finhack2010-rtklib-lindfors.pdf has a photo | 20:43 |
roh | ~14mm height and 35mm from corner to corner | 20:43 |
roh | and magnetic | 20:43 |
roh | hm. looks different than yours | 20:45 |
lindi- | roh: this one is magnetic too | 20:50 |
roh | nice resolution. wow | 20:51 |
roh | i mean of the gps fixes | 20:51 |
lindi- | yep, rtklib can do wonders with cheap hardware | 20:53 |
kristianpaul | lindi-: what other hw besides an OM ? | 20:57 |
kristianpaul | i have a sim548/458 board at home :) | 20:57 |
kristianpaul | now serious, i remenber now was a ublox hw.. | 20:58 |
lindi- | kristianpaul: three openmokos | 20:58 |
lindi- | no other GPS hardware | 20:58 |
kristianpaul | ahh three $$$ | 21:00 |
kristianpaul | lindi-: jsut compiled from rtklib_2.4.0+dfsg1-0lindi3.dsc | 21:47 |
kristianpaul | any idea how to run a self etst or something? | 21:47 |
kristianpaul | s/etst/test | 21:47 |
kristianpaul | anwyay lets see if Juan Pablo Calderón shows.. | 21:48 |
lindi- | kristianpaul: my slides have a few wget commands that fetch test data | 21:49 |
lindi- | kristianpaul: just follow those | 21:49 |
kristianpaul | ah well, i just recalled some debian dev info :) | 21:50 |
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