| qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1/patches/rtems/mem-fixes.patch: fix mdump and medit shell commands (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/19462f4 | 01:06 |
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| wolfspraul | planet was stuck (permission problem on server, my bad) | 11:02 |
| wolfspraul | thanks to Harald for pointing it out to me, I guess he misses the planet mosts more than I do? how is that possible??? | 11:02 |
| wolfspraul | :-) | 11:02 |
| wolfspraul | thanks Harald! | 11:02 |
| wpwrak | "save the planet" ;) | 11:08 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1/ledravaganza/ramp.pl: exponential ramp generator for ledm (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/94e9558 | 15:05 |
| viric | wpwrak: do you like this? http://www.openscad.org/ | 19:31 |
| Jay7 | where is tuxbrain? :) | 19:39 |
| Jay7 | I see error on his site :) | 19:39 |
| viric | mh | 19:45 |
| viric | the bot can be asked | 19:45 |
| viric | but I don't know of him since a long time ago | 19:46 |
| wolfspraul | error on his site? | 20:04 |
| Jay7 | http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/ardunote-project-arduino-nanonote | 20:16 |
| Jay7 | user warning: Unknown column 'token' in 'field list' query: UPDATE dpr01_captcha_sessions SET token='e50a89d13561813d263afaf9907b5a94' WHERE csid=1071880 in /home1/tuxbrain/public_html/sites/all/modules/captcha/captcha.module on line 216. | 20:16 |
| whitequark | personality multiplication?.. | 20:34 |
| viric | maybe we'd have to ring him | 20:35 |
| wolfspraul | I think more or less we have to move forward without him, which is sad | 20:43 |
| larsc | 14 weeks? | 20:45 |
| wolfspraul | he's fine, but as much as he loved tuxbrain.com he had to take up a full-time job, and with his kid etc. it's becoming very hard right now to be active in open hardware | 20:45 |
| wolfspraul | his spirit is alive though, one day he will be back I'm sure | 20:45 |
| larsc | hm | 20:46 |
| wolfspraul | I'm a little worried to send EU NanoNote customers to him nowadays, as I can also barely get email responses, but he says he is still filling orders... | 20:46 |
| wolfspraul | larsc: you have a job now, let's see when you also had a kid ;-) | 20:47 |
| larsc | that will hopefully still take a few years | 20:49 |
| viric | wolfspraul: ah ok! | 21:16 |
| viric | Impressive, that he is so busy. | 21:17 |
| larsc | impressive? | 21:21 |
| viric | 14 weeks without looking at irc.. I've never been so busy | 21:27 |
| kristianpaul | you have kids? | 21:28 |
| viric | no no :) | 21:29 |
| viric | but I know people with kids that enter irc. Some! :) | 21:29 |
| wolfspraul | I think I've heard once that 80% or so of FOSS developers leave the scene after they have kids | 21:34 |
| larsc | hehe and only come back after the kids have left home | 21:35 |
| wpwrak | viric: (openscad) nice idea but it's hard to avoid artefacts. see also this thread: http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2011-July/008476.html | 21:37 |
| viric | ah I remember your tests | 21:38 |
| wpwrak | it seems that a lot of studies that try to gauge the overall happiness of people find that, for men, there's a negative correlation with having kids ... | 21:38 |
| wpwrak | wolfspraul: i hope you're one of the outliers ;-) | 21:39 |
| wolfspraul | yes I'm fine | 21:39 |
| wolfspraul | but I'm very childish myself I think :-) | 21:39 |
| wpwrak | hehe ;-) it probably also helps not to be in the traditional employee role. less conflict between limited control over your own life yet being responsible for another one. | 21:40 |
| wolfspraul | so... let's play! | 21:40 |
| wpwrak | more usb-midi fun ? ;-) | 21:40 |
| wolfspraul | documenting keyboards and mice fun | 21:40 |
| wolfspraul | a rather exotic game, I admit | 21:41 |
| wpwrak | oh :) what kind of documenting are you doing ? | 21:41 |
| wpwrak | i have a pile of mice still waiting for me to return to M1 usb testing. what i was thinking of was making a register of them, with the following information: | 21:44 |
| wolfspraul | here http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Milkymist_One_accessories#keyboard | 21:44 |
| wolfspraul | it's not much but cleanup is tedious | 21:44 |
| wpwrak | name, description of key characteristics, picture, lsusb -v, HID report descriptor dump, and its status with M1 | 21:45 |
| wolfspraul | I want to add a little picture for each to make it easier to get a feeling once the table gets longer | 21:45 |
| wolfspraul | of course I don't plan to document all keyboards or mice but the idea is that we have some baseline and can document our quality efforts, for ourselves and others | 21:46 |
| wpwrak | you may also need some of the dump information. some mice may bear the same name yet differ internally | 21:46 |
| wolfspraul | when I'm finished with keyboard and mice I will continue with the midi controllers | 21:46 |
| wolfspraul | sure | 21:46 |
| wolfspraul | but it's a wiki, and I really only do what helps me right now understand and guide the quality effort | 21:46 |
| wolfspraul | I have 5 keyboards right now, and 4 mice | 21:46 |
| wpwrak | do you have a means to generate wiki pages from files ? | 21:46 |
| wolfspraul | xiangfu has a few more keyboards and mice | 21:46 |
| wolfspraul | no | 21:47 |
| wolfspraul | I think I will leave the soc+binary on my m1 that you gave me | 21:47 |
| wolfspraul | call it 2012-01-26 werner interim build | 21:48 |
| wpwrak | :) | 21:48 |
| wolfspraul | my feeling is maybe after your next round of usb fixes, most keyboard and mice will just work | 21:48 |
| wpwrak | yeah, i hope so. we had some regressions but that should be fixable | 21:49 |
| wpwrak | for a proper USB devices database, i think we should generate the wiki content and keep the raw data in git. cut out the manual processing. | 21:51 |
| wpwrak | plus, that way it would also be easy to run searches, diffs, and such | 21:52 |
| wpwrak | (searches as in "do we have another device with this of that quirky report format variation ?") | 21:53 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1/BUILD-CHEAT-SHEET: use 2011/12/01 version for now (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/65555f7 | 21:55 |
| wolfspraul | usb devices database sounds very scary | 21:55 |
| wolfspraul | in my opinion that could quickly become a massive distraction of our very limited resources | 21:56 |
| wolfspraul | instead, all I will do is to have a table of known supported and known unsupported devices | 21:56 |
| wpwrak | well, "database" = a set of files | 21:56 |
| wolfspraul | over time collected from core users and contributors | 21:56 |
| wpwrak | i'm not talking about SQL ;-) | 21:56 |
| wolfspraul | and also delete from that table if we loose track of whether something works or doesn't | 21:56 |
| wolfspraul | the idea is to give people a quick feeling and guidance as to what works and what doesn't | 21:57 |
| wolfspraul | quality of the table goes above quantity | 21:57 |
| wpwrak | yes, that's what the generated table should contain | 21:57 |
| wpwrak | plus, there should be links to lsusb -v and the HID report descriptor. that way, one can see some of the technical background. | 21:57 |
| wpwrak | with a set of files, all this is easy to manage. in wiki, it's like surgery through a rectal probe ... | 21:59 |
| wolfspraul | I'll do this in wiki right now | 22:01 |
| wolfspraul | it's the quickest and easiest way, and allows for temporary format diversity, later cleanup, etc. | 22:01 |
| wolfspraul | but if you put your data into files, why not | 22:01 |
| wpwrak | lsusb -v -d xxxx:yyyy >critter-lsusb is so much easier than wiki copy & paste :) | 22:02 |
| wolfspraul | I'm not trying to convert you to wiki, not at all | 22:03 |
| wpwrak | plus any confusion that may come up if someone mis-copy&pastes | 22:03 |
| wolfspraul | please do what works best for you | 22:03 |
| wolfspraul | collecting information on M1 accessories will be messy though, unless we do it in a very centralized way which will not happen | 22:03 |
| wpwrak | well, that's what i was aiming for ;-) | 22:07 |
| wpwrak | getting the report descriptor is a bit tricky, though. has several prerequisites. basically a "developers only" operation. | 22:08 |
| wpwrak | and of course, you need linux :) | 22:08 |
| wpwrak | well, maybe we can add some hack to m1 in the future to dump that data to a file, then do the formatting offline | 22:09 |
| whitequark | (surgery through a rectal probe) finally I know how this is translated to English | 22:57 |
| whitequark | !. | 22:57 |
| wpwrak | ;-))) | 22:58 |
| whitequark | in russian, you have two analogues | 22:58 |
| whitequark | 1) cut one's tonsils through one's rectum | 22:59 |
| wpwrak | now, when enjoying social talk at parties, you can finally explain to the ladies present what you do for work (-:C | 22:59 |
| whitequark | 2) cut one's tonsils through someone other's rectum | 22:59 |
| wpwrak | oh, didn't know #2 ;-) | 22:59 |
| whitequark | #2 is soooo applicable to flash | 23:00 |
| whitequark | its compiler has a hack which translates finally clauses as catch() ones (emitting invalid bytecode in the process) | 23:00 |
| whitequark | _and_ its VM has a hack which translates these catch() clauses back to finally ones (ignoring invalid bytecode in the process) | 23:00 |
| whitequark | I don't even have an adequate obscene comparsion for that. | 23:02 |
| whitequark | ... have I damaged your brain? Sorry for that :D | 23:03 |
| wpwrak | maybe compiler and VM are the work of two different groups of developers ? :) | 23:06 |
| whitequark | well | 23:09 |
| whitequark | the VM is called tamarin | 23:10 |
| whitequark | and I guess that the developers share some genetic relations with the animal | 23:10 |
| whitequark | like 100% | 23:10 |
| whitequark | you know, "a million monkey theorem" | 23:11 |
| whitequark | and I won't even start to tell you which kinds of relations do developers of the compiler have with the developers of VM | 23:11 |
| whitequark | and which relations exactly I would like to impose on both groups | 23:11 |
| wpwrak | (relations) the same two grandparents ? :) | 23:17 |
| whitequark | you have a very innocent mind don't you? :D | 23:18 |
| wpwrak | (-:C | 23:25 |
| whitequark | anyway, I need some sleep | 23:28 |
| whitequark | and I hope I'll never dream of _that_ | 23:28 |
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