| wolfspraul | ah, I had to rebuild the planet cache and now email subscribers get all posts again ;-) | 08:48 |
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| wolfspraul | oh well | 08:48 |
| whitequark | wolfspraul: what about http://irclog.whitequark.org/ ? | 09:31 |
| whitequark | I think it has proven itself to be pretty stable | 09:31 |
| whitequark | last outage was four weeks ago, and it was due to flaky IPv6 connectivity at my hoster | 09:31 |
| whitequark | well, it was "beta" but I thought it would work | 09:32 |
| whitequark | it would not. | 09:32 |
| whitequark | that is, each week it would mysteriously get partly down for a period of time | 09:32 |
| whitequark | and my bot would reconnect until it'd run out of nicks | 09:33 |
| whitequark | and then it died | 09:33 |
| wolfspraul | ah yes | 09:33 |
| wolfspraul | next time I do server work I should just install the software, right? | 09:34 |
| whitequark | yeah, that'll work | 09:34 |
| whitequark | or you can just point a cname at irclog.wq.org | 09:34 |
| wolfspraul | I would probably want to integrate it with some css or so, but I need to do the design cleanup first anyway | 09:35 |
| wolfspraul | I think it will definitely get done, just not very fast right now | 09:35 |
| whitequark | can your work be integrated into upstream? | 09:36 |
| whitequark | because I'm tempted to add support for changeable themes | 09:36 |
| whitequark | that would be quite a nice feature | 09:36 |
| whitequark | "dark" and "light" one, for example | 09:36 |
| wolfspraul | I'm not working on it actively right now, but of course we are both in this channel, things can go 'upstream' (to you :-)) | 09:40 |
| kyak | whitequark: is there a way to change a year fast? | 09:44 |
| kyak | side question: where are the logs for 14th and 21st of Dec? :) | 09:44 |
| kyak | yep. it's much better than today's logs (increased usability, fast search) | 09:48 |
| kyak | the search output would probablt look better when grouped by date rather than each line prefixed with date | 09:49 |
| kyak | now, i might be wrong, but i can get to a specific date much faster with the current interface | 09:50 |
| kyak | wrong because it is unlikely that someone wants to go to a specific date | 09:51 |
| kyak | hw would rather search | 09:51 |
| kyak | then search is very important | 09:51 |
| whitequark | kyak: you can change year in the address line. that's why I made sensible URLs | 09:52 |
| whitequark | I may think of a better way, through | 09:52 |
| whitequark | the logs for 14th and 21st of Dec? simple. IPv6 outage. afther that I've switched to plain old IPv4 | 09:52 |
| kyak | address line, of course :) but it | 09:52 |
| whitequark | I'll refill these gaps | 09:52 |
| whitequark | the search output, hm | 09:53 |
| whitequark | that's a good suggestion | 09:53 |
| whitequark | can you write an issue on github so I don't forget it? | 09:53 |
| kyak | i can do this | 09:53 |
| whitequark | thanks | 09:53 |
| whitequark | (Search) yes, it is important | 09:53 |
| whitequark | that's why I am maintaining a rather large index and a huge mysql runtime | 09:54 |
| kyak | yep, the search (speed) is great | 09:54 |
| whitequark | it also has modifiers like "and" and stuff | 09:54 |
| whitequark | and it's better than "just Google" in this case | 09:55 |
| kyak | can i apply time constraints to a search? i.e. search within specific time range | 09:56 |
| whitequark | hm | 09:56 |
| whitequark | I think no | 09:56 |
| whitequark | any ideas for an interface for this? | 09:57 |
| whitequark | DB is indexed by both timestamp and text (obviously) | 09:57 |
| kyak | maybe introduce some special word for that | 09:57 |
| kyak | from the other hand, this would increase comlexity for nothing.. | 09:58 |
| whitequark | that'd interfere with the plain querying, won't it? | 09:58 |
| whitequark | yes, and that too | 09:58 |
| whitequark | "and" and friends are quite obvious | 09:58 |
| kyak | don't bother :) | 09:58 |
| whitequark | you already have that in google | 09:58 |
| whitequark | I'm not afraid of complexity | 09:58 |
| whitequark | the logger is, I dunno, like 200 lines of code | 09:59 |
| whitequark | and maybe the same for logging bot | 09:59 |
| whitequark | s,logger,log viewer, | 09:59 |
| whitequark | ruby is similar to perl in the amount of code, but quite dissimilar for its readability ;) | 09:59 |
| kyak | the best thing is that the author (you) is interested in this project.. Unlike the author of current irc logs web interface | 09:59 |
| kyak | i just submitted the issue btw :) | 10:00 |
| whitequark | <trolling-mode>that's because the current logger is written in python</trolling-mode> | 10:00 |
| kyak | :) | 10:00 |
| whitequark | that's why I won't be a migen contributor | 10:01 |
| whitequark | user, maybne | 10:01 |
| whitequark | but not a contributor | 10:01 |
| whitequark | *maybe | 10:01 |
| kyak | i see you didn't specify any well-known license for irclogger - did you do this for a reason? | 10:01 |
| whitequark | nope, just a usual attention deficit | 10:02 |
| whitequark | it is MIT | 10:02 |
| whitequark | I'll add the LICENSE when I'll get to that | 10:02 |
| whitequark | maybe a few days | 10:02 |
| whitequark | as per the time range, I think I may add "extended search" | 10:04 |
| whitequark | with two fields | 10:04 |
| kyak | or maybe do it google way | 10:05 |
| kyak | "last 24 hours", "last month" etc :) | 10:05 |
| whitequark | hm | 10:05 |
| whitequark | maybe | 10:06 |
| whitequark | wolfspraul: any ideas on this? what's more convenient? | 10:06 |
| wolfspraul | I need to use it and compare for a while, don't know now | 10:07 |
| whitequark | ok | 10:08 |
| whitequark | I'll do both variants | 10:08 |
| kyak | whitequark: another thing we already had discussion about here is what to log. Many were concerned by joins/parts/quits being logged, as it reveals the host name | 10:09 |
| kyak | i think the decision was only to log public chat | 10:09 |
| whitequark | kyak: it's public | 10:10 |
| whitequark | anyone can join and see the hostnames | 10:11 |
| whitequark | /who, etc. | 10:11 |
| whitequark | I've already had an argument with some partici^Wtrolls on #ruby-talk | 10:12 |
| wolfspraul | logging the IP addresses does not create any value | 10:12 |
| whitequark | hm | 10:12 |
| wolfspraul | which value does it create in your opinion? | 10:12 |
| whitequark | well | 10:13 |
| kyak | first, it provides no information. second, it may be found ocasionally by googling | 10:13 |
| whitequark | to be honest, I've been replicating irssi's format | 10:13 |
| whitequark | it can be removed, of course | 10:13 |
| wolfspraul | at the least it's clutter | 10:13 |
| whitequark | but I think that logging joins/parts _do_ has its value | 10:13 |
| wolfspraul | in which way? | 10:13 |
| whitequark | I have found that useful quite a few times | 10:13 |
| kyak | third, i have a vhost here; so i keep my privacy even if someone joins. But sometimes i can join unidentified and without vhost and wil be cought by logs | 10:13 |
| kyak | i don't want that | 10:14 |
| whitequark | kyak: as I've said, I have nothing against removing hostnames in joins/parts | 10:14 |
| whitequark | no problem with that | 10:14 |
| whitequark | and it's clutter, yes | 10:14 |
| kyak | removing hostnames would be great | 10:15 |
| whitequark | sure | 10:15 |
| whitequark | do you have any experience with mysql? | 10:15 |
| whitequark | I have something like 2 million of rows | 10:15 |
| kyak | nope :) | 10:15 |
| whitequark | sigh | 10:15 |
| kyak | what is your problem, maybe i still could help? | 10:16 |
| kyak | or someone else here | 10:16 |
| wolfspraul | removal of hostnames and ips would be welcomed by most I think, I fail to see the value | 10:16 |
| whitequark | kyak: http://pastie.org/3200427 | 10:20 |
| whitequark | this | 10:20 |
| whitequark | it's my "storage format". | 10:21 |
| whitequark | and it sucks (I know) | 10:21 |
| kyak | probably you can have different tables for different channels | 10:22 |
| kyak | other than that, why it sucks? it has int id for what matters :) | 10:22 |
| whitequark | er | 10:26 |
| whitequark | I can remove the hostnames in the logger bot | 10:26 |
| whitequark | but I'd need to run some sort of regexp on 500k rows | 10:26 |
| kyak | update [table_name] set [field_name] = replace([field_name],'[string_to_find]','[string_to_replace]'); | 10:28 |
| kyak | this is what google says :) | 10:28 |
| kyak | probably 'replace' supports regexp or there are other functions supporting regexp | 10:29 |
| whitequark | hm | 10:29 |
| kyak | you can also filter on nick == NULL to find those joins/quits | 10:29 |
| whitequark | sure | 10:42 |
| whitequark | that's how I highlight them in viewer | 10:42 |
| whitequark | well, I'll look into it | 10:45 |
| kyak | whitequark: do you think it is hard to make bot connect via SSL? | 10:50 |
| kyak | it occured to me that some of my channels are ssl-only | 10:50 |
| whitequark | nope | 10:52 |
| whitequark | it's ruby | 10:52 |
| whitequark | just a matter of substituting one class for another | 10:52 |
| kyak | oh god, time to update my distro.. my RubyGems is tool old to install "bundle" | 10:54 |
| whitequark | oh yes | 10:55 |
| whitequark | that's a _really_ old rubygems install | 10:55 |
| kyak | 1.3.5 :) | 10:55 |
| whitequark | okay... trying to talk with four or five people simultaneously isn't a very good idea | 10:56 |
| whitequark | especially if you consider the fact this channel is in English and it's not native for me | 10:57 |
| whitequark | so, latter | 10:57 |
| whitequark | *later | 10:57 |
| whitequark | I'll be here at evening (something like 22:00 at UTC+4) | 10:57 |
| kyak | bye, and thanks :) | 10:57 |
| whitequark | you're welcome | 10:57 |
| cladamw | (VGA DDC failed :: 6 / 90) wpwrak, I'm thinking this problem...even you mentioned that intermittent problem, possibly | 12:04 |
| cladamw | caused by software. | 12:04 |
| cladamw | wpwrak, but i'm not sure and don't know if existing another potential reason, why i'm thinking this? since i reviewed R2 known issues and compared to R3 known issues about L3 and L19 shorted to fix frozen problem, would it be also likely to "ground problem" to cause noises? | 12:09 |
| cladamw | wpwrak, sorry that wrong channel again., ;-) | 12:10 |
| wpwrak | lovely news: nokia sells out ... to sisvel. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/16/nokia_patents/ | 17:45 |
| wpwrak | the reg puts a friendly spin on it, but not everyone would agree with that ... | 17:47 |
| wolfspra1l | we can see - sisvel is doing great :-) | 18:14 |
| wolfspra1l | hey that's our friend Bill Ray, I would totally disagree with him on that one | 18:18 |
| wolfspra1l | "big friendly troll offering FRAND licenses to anyone who wants one" | 18:18 |
| wolfspra1l | ha ha | 18:18 |
| wolfspra1l | can't be more backwards | 18:18 |
| wolfspra1l | wpwrak: you know my guess is that Nokia is testing sisvel, giving them some starting business. | 18:21 |
| wolfspra1l | for sure there will be payback to Nokia depending on how much money sisvel can make, and so forth | 18:22 |
| wolfspra1l | and then nokia can decide later whether to expand busines with them or not, but then they have reliable historical sisvel performance data at hand :-) | 18:22 |
| viric | what is sisvel? | 18:32 |
| viric | ah I read. | 18:33 |
| wolfspra1l | waste of time actually, the kind of thing that after you learned about, you wish you never had | 18:38 |
| larsc | or the kind of thing after you learned about it, you wish you had known about it before | 18:42 |
| wpwrak | ;-) | 18:42 |
| wpwrak | sisvel is the unfriendly face of philips and now nokia | 18:43 |
| wpwrak | the reg has an interesting comment: this could be a ploy to outsource litigation. that way, there may be less risk of retaliatory lawsuits | 18:45 |
| larsc | well, you could still sue nokia nayways | 18:47 |
| wpwrak | yeah, but it may a) be less clear whether they're really behind it, and b) it may also cause a different public perception | 18:49 |
| wolfspra1l | larsc: no, I'm sure. the first one :-) | 19:46 |
| wolfspra1l | there was a nice NanoNote article today http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/the-ben-nanonote-the-worlds-smallest-linux-laptop/ | 19:49 |
| wpwrak | how's the tendency in ben sales actually ? stable ? | 20:01 |
| wolfspra1l | ha, yes, you could call it like that | 20:01 |
| wpwrak | hopefully non-zero, too :) | 20:01 |
| wolfspra1l | a few here and there, slowly moving | 20:01 |
| wolfspra1l | the important part for me right now is to keep it in stock, and that's the case | 20:02 |
| wolfspra1l | power forward the m1, then marry the two eventually :-) | 20:02 |
| wpwrak | heh :) | 20:02 |
| larsc | nn | 20:12 |
| larsc | nanomist? | 20:12 |
| larsc | milkynote? | 20:12 |
| urandom__ | the people should be educated that the nanonote lacks w-lan and slide keyboard cause of patent shit | 20:16 |
| wpwrak | nanomist sounds like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prey_(novel) | 20:16 |
| urandom__ | wpwrak: we have to many boooks like that, people are already overscared by new tech, we need them to believe in progress not in stagnation | 20:19 |
| wpwrak | oh, a little frisson now and then doesn't do much harm :) | 20:21 |
| wolfspra1l | and for our English learners (including me), I looked this up - frisson: a moment of intense excitement :-) | 20:55 |
| Ayla | I think that's a French word | 20:58 |
| Ayla | but it's not exactly the same meaning in French | 20:59 |
| larsc | half of the english language is french | 21:18 |
| Ayla | I wouldn't say half | 21:19 |
| wpwrak | wordnet says "an almost pleasurable sensation of fright" | 21:19 |
| Qwin1234 | Hey all | 22:48 |
| Qwin1234 | I wonder if anyone can help me out here with an external drive problem | 22:48 |
| Qwin1234 | after unplugging from tv the partition is unrecognizable ... | 22:49 |
| Qwin1234 | So i can format it but there is important data on it | 22:49 |
| Qwin1234 | I tried getDataBack to repair the partition but it give me IO errors | 22:49 |
| Qwin1234 | gives* | 22:49 |
| Qwin1234 | So I think it has to do with house of the harddrive but I am not sure. What do you guys think the problem is ? ( Also any recommended tools of fixing the problem ) | 22:50 |
| mth | I think you have the wrong channel... this channel is about building open hardware (Ben NanoNote, Milky Mist) | 22:51 |
| Qwin1234 | Hmmm true :/ | 22:51 |
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