| jow_laptop | wolfspraul: not sure, the concept does feel strange to me | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| jow_laptop | wolfspraul: but that must have been like when my parents got plastic money | 00:01 |
| wolfspraul | good point :-) | 00:06 |
| wolfspraul | I think there is an opportunity for open hardware at some point, somewhere | 00:07 |
| wolfspraul | we shall see | 00:08 |
| wolfspraul | what happened to those crypto stick guys? | 00:08 |
| wolfspraul | I read some good stuff about that a while ago, haven't checked recently | 00:09 |
| wolfspraul | ah yes, here http://crypto-stick.org/ | 00:09 |
| wolfspraul | German Privacy Foundation :-) | 00:09 |
| jow_laptop | yes it is interesting. could help to bring pki to the masses | 00:11 |
| GorDonFreeMan | hi | 08:59 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ;>> | 08:59 |
| GorDonFreeMan | anybody ever hacked a HDD ? | 09:00 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i see some very c00l stuff in them | 09:00 |
| GorDonFreeMan | you can even make a speaker from da "voice coil" | 09:01 |
| wolfspraul | GorDonFreeMan: haven't heard of such a hack - but go ahead! ;-) | 09:13 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ahaha but it's simple | 09:13 |
| GorDonFreeMan | just connect the head to something at the center of rotation's angle with some rubber band, and attach a plate to it so it moves more air, then find the voice-coil's 2 endpoints, and connect an audio amplifier | 09:14 |
| GorDonFreeMan | it IS a speaker | 09:15 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ;>> | 09:15 |
| wolfspraul | GorDonFreeMan: well really, please do it1 | 09:22 |
| wolfspraul | ! | 09:22 |
| wolfspraul | :-) | 09:22 |
| wolfspraul | speakers are cool, so are speaker hacks | 09:22 |
| wolfspraul | I had and still have some vague plans of building speakers with Jon rejon Phillips, but no big bang yet | 09:24 |
| wolfspraul | http://laoban-soundsystem.com/ | 09:25 |
| wolfspraul | but the plans are nowhere to be found ;-) the only open thing so far is the announcement, I think | 09:25 |
| GorDonFreeMan | don't give a fuck | 09:26 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i have built 2 huge speakers in 2001 | 09:27 |
| wolfspraul | http://chrisfenton.com/homemade-speakers/ | 09:27 |
| GorDonFreeMan | and it was cool for many years | 09:27 |
| wolfspraul | still is or not? :-) | 09:27 |
| wolfspraul | those laoban boxes also exist, were made etc. but the documentation side is lacking, I guess the speakers themselves were too much fun to sit down with boring paperwork | 09:28 |
| wolfspraul | speakers out of old hdds - more power to you | 09:28 |
| GorDonFreeMan | well moisture killed my wood ;< | 09:31 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i got some liquid spilled on them | 09:31 |
| GorDonFreeMan | and i didn't made it waterproof | 09:31 |
| wolfspraul | yeah wood is difficult | 09:31 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i'll make another set in a few month | 09:31 |
| wolfspraul | we did a wood case for the Milkymist One, but by now (1 year later), it's so bent that it totally doesn't fit together anymore | 09:31 |
| GorDonFreeMan | it was 90cm high btw :) and had a reflex system | 09:32 |
| wolfspraul | GorDonFreeMan: please keep us posted here, by all means | 09:32 |
| wolfspraul | if you like | 09:32 |
| GorDonFreeMan | do you want to build speakers? | 09:32 |
| wolfspraul | and if there are ways to support you or work together, at least bring it up and give others the chance to understand what you do | 09:32 |
| wolfspraul | well sure, I just said so [laoban] | 09:32 |
| wolfspraul | in fact we did already | 09:33 |
| wolfspraul | did you click on that link? | 09:33 |
| wolfspraul | it says 'qi hardware' there :-) | 09:33 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ;> | 09:33 |
| wolfspraul | but like I said, we only have some speakers now, the plans and lots of the documentation are not clean and at the level I would like them to have | 09:33 |
| wolfspraul | meanwhile Matt is off to the next speakers, some 360 degree whatever. I have to check with him in his studio. | 09:33 |
| wolfspraul | he is a real sound fanatic | 09:33 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i like quality too | 09:34 |
| wolfspraul | sound quality, sure. amazing how good good speakers can be, right? | 09:34 |
| wolfspraul | and that's a quality that is hard to explain in text, video, marketing | 09:34 |
| GorDonFreeMan | :) | 09:35 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i have just designed a robot muscle | 09:35 |
| GorDonFreeMan | <; | 09:35 |
| GorDonFreeMan | yea | 09:35 |
| blogic | GorDonFreeMan: how ? | 09:35 |
| blogic | i mean ... | 09:35 |
| wolfspraul | nice | 09:35 |
| wolfspraul | any links? pics? | 09:35 |
| GorDonFreeMan | now deciding what i use it first :) | 09:35 |
| blogic | servos or pneumatics or pessure valves ? | 09:36 |
| blogic | we played with servos ... works but $$$ | 09:36 |
| GorDonFreeMan | stepper motors, and magnetic magic :) | 09:36 |
| blogic | so recently we played with valves from washing machines to pressurise plasic hoses | 09:36 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i have more designs for more applications | 09:36 |
| blogic | ok $$$$ | 09:36 |
| blogic | so a bot with 48 joints == several k$ | 09:36 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i don't like pressure things | 09:36 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ;/ | 09:36 |
| blogic | me neither | 09:37 |
| blogic | but for hobby motors, servos ... are too expensive | 09:37 |
| GorDonFreeMan | no, i build mine | 09:37 |
| blogic | think about a small hexapod | 09:37 |
| GorDonFreeMan | and extract steppers from junk | 09:37 |
| blogic | yes and if you built 40 its expensive | 09:37 |
| GorDonFreeMan | :P | 09:37 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ;>> | 09:37 |
| blogic | which makes it not eproducable | 09:37 |
| blogic | ok | 09:37 |
| GorDonFreeMan | cd drives have little steppers that you can use for a spider:P | 09:37 |
| blogic | yes | 09:38 |
| blogic | i am looking a a means to move 25kg bots | 09:38 |
| blogic | :D | 09:38 |
| GorDonFreeMan | and the main drive motor can even fly an aeroplane if properly hacked | 09:38 |
| blogic | we are using pressure valves from old washing machines atm for testing | 09:38 |
| GorDonFreeMan | blogic<< large scale will be expensive whatever you do | 09:38 |
| GorDonFreeMan | or.... it will be slow | 09:38 |
| GorDonFreeMan | :P | 09:38 |
| blogic | yes | 09:39 |
| GorDonFreeMan | a cd drive can move 1 tonn robot | 09:39 |
| blogic | we did some maths | 09:39 |
| GorDonFreeMan | but the time needed would be large | 09:39 |
| blogic | and if we used servos we need 3k¬ / robot | 09:39 |
| blogic | just for the servos | 09:39 |
| blogic | and and logic to drive them | 09:39 |
| GorDonFreeMan | design servos, and make them :P | 09:39 |
| blogic | sure | 09:39 |
| blogic | i wanted to make a robot not a servo :D | 09:39 |
| GorDonFreeMan | haha | 09:40 |
| GorDonFreeMan | but you want cheap servos in your robots | 09:40 |
| blogic | no | 09:40 |
| GorDonFreeMan | so you have to make servos first. | 09:40 |
| blogic | i dont want servos | 09:40 |
| blogic | i consider pneumatics / pressure to be a better solution | 09:40 |
| blogic | at least for low cost | 09:40 |
| GorDonFreeMan | and i think i will consider my beta test robot muscle | 09:40 |
| GorDonFreeMan | :) | 09:40 |
| blogic | of course in an ideal world i have 50e servs that tell me the pressure they used and the tortion | 09:40 |
| blogic | but they cost 50¬ a pop | 09:41 |
| GorDonFreeMan | still have to decide the feedback type | 09:41 |
| blogic | GorDonFreeMan: do you have pics online ? | 09:41 |
| blogic | yes | 09:41 |
| blogic | feedback is important | 09:41 |
| GorDonFreeMan | no, i just thinked this out about 30 mins ago | 09:41 |
| blogic | oki | 09:41 |
| GorDonFreeMan | so i'm making prototype | 09:42 |
| GorDonFreeMan | :) | 09:42 |
| GorDonFreeMan | sooo | 09:42 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i have a motion | 09:42 |
| GorDonFreeMan | and i'd need some type of industrial dirt-safe position encoder | 09:42 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ;/ | 09:42 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i don't want encoder foil and photo diodes | 09:43 |
| wolfspraul | do you have any blog or anything where you document your work? | 09:43 |
| GorDonFreeMan | or... i could do that, if i enclose my stuff dust-free | 09:43 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i haven't made a blog | 09:44 |
| GorDonFreeMan | but i could | 09:44 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i just always have beter things to do | 09:44 |
| wolfspraul | sure I understand, just asking... | 09:45 |
| wolfspraul | where do you live, if I may ask? | 09:45 |
| GorDonFreeMan | hungary | 09:45 |
| GorDonFreeMan | EU | 09:45 |
| wolfspraul | oh great | 09:45 |
| GorDonFreeMan | so there are many thrown out junk dvd players around here | 09:45 |
| GorDonFreeMan | just have to find some | 09:46 |
| GorDonFreeMan | also bad HDD-s | 09:46 |
| GorDonFreeMan | som printers | 09:46 |
| GorDonFreeMan | :) | 09:46 |
| GorDonFreeMan | laster printers have ultra cool stepper motors | 09:46 |
| GorDonFreeMan | *laser | 09:46 |
| blogic | GorDonFreeMan: accoring to you url the budapest IX runs a pr0n site from which you connect | 09:46 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ahaha | 09:47 |
| blogic | post privacy 2.0 | 09:47 |
| blogic | :D | 09:47 |
| GorDonFreeMan | sooo | 09:48 |
| blogic | a blog is cool | 09:48 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i have even found 96 step steppers in printers :) | 09:48 |
| blogic | but if you blog your work there is a record of when you were lazy | 09:49 |
| GorDonFreeMan | 96 full steps | 09:49 |
| GorDonFreeMan | and they usually can handle 500-800mA | 09:49 |
| GorDonFreeMan | somebody building CNC machine here? | 09:50 |
| blogic | hahayes | 09:50 |
| blogic | yes | 09:50 |
| blogic | lots of them | 09:50 |
| GorDonFreeMan | so what do you suggest for position sensing? | 09:51 |
| blogic | of a cnc ? | 09:51 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i have a linear motion in 3 axis | 09:51 |
| GorDonFreeMan | yes | 09:51 |
| blogic | we just make sure the code and drivers work properly | 09:51 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ;/ | 09:51 |
| blogic | we started counting steps and so on 2 years ago | 09:51 |
| blogic | but then reverted to just making sure the machine works | 09:52 |
| blogic | rather than working around lost steps | 09:52 |
| GorDonFreeMan | yeah well i can do that in openloop mode, but what if my servo does not have "steps" ? | 09:52 |
| blogic | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOpaRhF2RVY | 09:52 |
| blogic | we managed to get our hands on 9 industrial cnc machines made by isel | 09:53 |
| blogic | 8A steppers | 09:53 |
| GorDonFreeMan | haha ok | 09:53 |
| blogic | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e89pqJRxTDo&list=UUQj4g-gCjWUWSBmNU-sKPzg&index=4&feature=plcp | 09:53 |
| GorDonFreeMan | but i'm only movind a dvd main drive motor now | 09:54 |
| blogic | we attached a makerbot extruder to one of the machines last week | 09:54 |
| GorDonFreeMan | not a 10kW milling machine | 09:54 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i'll stay below 2kW this year i think | 09:54 |
| GorDonFreeMan | milling some plexiglass sheet, wood, plastic, aluminium, steel | 09:55 |
| GorDonFreeMan | and engraving/milling some glass | 09:56 |
| GorDonFreeMan | maybe | 09:56 |
| GorDonFreeMan | you need large steppers only for large moving masses, and increased acceleration/deceleration | 09:56 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i'm writing my software on linux to drive my CNC machine currently | 09:59 |
| GorDonFreeMan | here's my timer test | 09:59 |
| GorDonFreeMan | http://matrix.z-labor.com/tmp/C/timertest2.tar.xz | 09:59 |
| GorDonFreeMan | and heres my technology test http://matrix.z-labor.com/tmp/C/sdltext_fps_d_asdf2.c | 10:00 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ok i think my robotic muscle will be open-loop as a prototype | 10:05 |
| GorDonFreeMan | maybe i should patent it ;< | 10:05 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i could use some extra money, and the right to my work | 10:05 |
| GorDonFreeMan | my idea is infinitely scalable :) | 10:07 |
| GorDonFreeMan | scalable for speed, size, and precision | 10:08 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i just hack it together using many parts, but the whole in it's working state is uniq i think | 10:15 |
| GorDonFreeMan | also the control mechanism | 10:16 |
| GorDonFreeMan | and driving logic | 10:16 |
| zear | hello there | 13:46 |
| zear | anybody here with an experience of compiling sdl apps to the nanonote? | 13:46 |
| GorDonFreeMan | wtf is a nanonote? | 13:48 |
| GorDonFreeMan | #sdl btw | 13:48 |
| zear | what you mean wtf is a nanonote? That's a qi-hardware channel, isn't it? | 13:49 |
| jow_laptop | wait, you're on qi-hw do not know what a nanonote is and accuse others to be on a wrong channel? | 13:49 |
| zear | and no, #sdl probably won't help me, because my sdl app already runs on a similar hardware | 13:49 |
| GorDonFreeMan | yeah never heard of | 13:49 |
| zear | so i assume it's some problem with the nanonote hardware/software setup and not my sdl code | 13:50 |
| zear | it segfaults when i try to launch the binary | 13:50 |
| zear | gonna try to debug it now | 13:50 |
| blogic | zear: does compiel fail or des the app just not run ? | 13:50 |
| zear | blogic, i used the open-dingux toolchain to produce the binary because of the whole openwrt toolchain madness | 13:51 |
| blogic | what madness ? | 13:51 |
| jow_laptop | "it is not like OE" | 13:51 |
| blogic | you just need to select nanonote as a profile and run "make" | 13:51 |
| zear | blogic, this madness: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Compiling_for_the_NanoNote | 13:52 |
| blogic | jow_laptop: thank god for that | 13:52 |
| GorDonFreeMan | wow i want one | 13:52 |
| GorDonFreeMan | http://sharism.cc/specs/ | 13:52 |
| GorDonFreeMan | where to get it? | 13:52 |
| wolfspraul | www.tuxbrain.com | 13:52 |
| GorDonFreeMan | can it handle 32GB sdhc micro? | 13:52 |
| Action: jow_laptop fails to see the madness | 13:52 | |
| wolfspraul | GorDonFreeMan: yes it can | 13:53 |
| wolfspraul | https://www.tuxbrain.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=99 | 13:53 |
| wolfspraul | thanks for asking btw | 13:53 |
| wolfspraul | it's an amazing little pocket computer, but very *different* ;-) | 13:53 |
| zear | jow_laptop, some "staging dirs" and "root dirs" | 13:54 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i had a 300MHz cyrix MII / IBM cpu in 1998 so i know the approximate processing power of this | 13:54 |
| zear | all i need is gcc | 13:54 |
| jow_laptop | no you also need ld, shared libraries and headers | 13:54 |
| zear | so i can compile my program using my already existing makefile | 13:54 |
| zear | well, yes | 13:54 |
| GorDonFreeMan | is it ARM ? | 13:54 |
| zear | so anyway, let me first tell you what i did: | 13:55 |
| jow_laptop | what you call "madness" is commonly called "cross compilation" | 13:55 |
| GorDonFreeMan | the esc is in wrong place though | 13:55 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ad the 2 vol buttons lol | 13:56 |
| zear | jow_laptop, i've done a lot of cross-compilation in my life, never had to change anything more than $CC or $LD lines | 13:56 |
| blogic | zear: you might want to consider building a toolchain with openwrt | 13:56 |
| zear | openwrt was the reason why i gave up on my nanonote | 13:56 |
| jow_laptop | zear: same for openwrt. stuff the toolchain in path and override ld and cc | 13:56 |
| blogic | and then use this outside of owrt | 13:57 |
| zear | blogic, nope, done that back in 2010, it was a painful process and it never really worked | 13:57 |
| viric | zear: and installation directories? And library/header directories? And pkgconfig? And broken configure scripts? ... | 13:57 |
| zear | viric, thank you :) | 13:57 |
| zear | so anyway, that's where i am: | 13:57 |
| zear | dynamically linked the binary with opendingux toolchain | 13:57 |
| viric | and that's only when you *already have* the cross toolchain | 13:57 |
| zear | put the libraries from opendingux toolchain into the same dir as my binary | 13:58 |
| zear | used export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:./ to point the system to the location of these libraries | 13:58 |
| zear | ran the binary | 13:58 |
| zear | and bah - segfault | 13:58 |
| blogic | try again with a openwrt toolchain | 13:58 |
| viric | zear: what syscalls does the binary use? | 13:58 |
| viric | SDL, etc.? | 13:58 |
| zear | viric, how do i check that? | 13:59 |
| viric | what program did you use? | 13:59 |
| zear | you mean what libraries does the binary use? | 13:59 |
| viric | what program did you build? | 13:59 |
| viric | dingux has some different hw, iirc | 14:00 |
| zear | that's what i use: http://pastebin.com/DcbKqBQx | 14:00 |
| viric | ah SDL | 14:00 |
| viric | the dingux SDL may be prepared for the dingux video hw | 14:00 |
| zear | viric, it's open-dingux, based on the same kernel base i think | 14:00 |
| zear | viric, if i launch the binary directly (without exporting the LD path), the binary still segfaults | 14:01 |
| viric | then maybe it's the dynamic loader | 14:01 |
| viric | take the dynamic loader frmo dingux | 14:01 |
| zear | i'll now recompile with debugging symbols and check with gdb | 14:01 |
| GorDonFreeMan | so i could code on linux with geany anywhere with a nanonote | 14:01 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ;> | 14:01 |
| GorDonFreeMan | any tech specs? | 14:01 |
| GorDonFreeMan | uptime? | 14:01 |
| zear | GorDonFreeMan, i wouldn't use the nanonote for coding | 14:01 |
| GorDonFreeMan | why? | 14:01 |
| viric | zear: take 'ld-linux.so' from dingux, and run: ./ld-linux.so myprogram | 14:01 |
| zear | it's painful to type on the normal keys | 14:01 |
| zear | not to mention the button combos for special keys like { } | and so on | 14:02 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ;/ | 14:02 |
| zear | GorDonFreeMan, that thing is about the size of a credit card | 14:02 |
| GorDonFreeMan | so any technical specs? | 14:02 |
| zear | from the top of my head: 336MHz jz-4720 MIPS, 32ram, 320x240 screen | 14:03 |
| zear | qwerty, no usb host | 14:03 |
| zear | microSD slot with sdio support | 14:03 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ok | 14:03 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i saw that | 14:03 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i was missing others. | 14:03 |
| GorDonFreeMan | power consumption, power saving | 14:03 |
| zear | i'd say ~8 hours of constant use | 14:04 |
| zear | but that depends on the battery really | 14:04 |
| GorDonFreeMan | that's not much | 14:04 |
| zear | it takes the standard nokia battery | 14:04 |
| GorDonFreeMan | make it oled | 14:04 |
| GorDonFreeMan | :P | 14:04 |
| zear | viric, there's no "ld-linux" in the open-dingux toolchain | 14:06 |
| viric | hm | 14:06 |
| viric | that'd be the glibc one | 14:06 |
| zear | viric, the closest is "ld-uClibc" | 14:06 |
| viric | Ah ok | 14:06 |
| viric | that one | 14:06 |
| viric | I didn't know the libc they use | 14:07 |
| zear | viric, "Standalone execution is not supported yet" | 14:07 |
| viric | You need to pass the binary as parameter | 14:08 |
| viric | did you pass it? | 14:08 |
| zear | yes | 14:08 |
| viric | ah | 14:08 |
| viric | hm | 14:08 |
| viric | glibc has standalone execution :) | 14:08 |
| viric | So... | 14:09 |
| zear | viric, i can compile it the nanonote way if it will work | 14:09 |
| viric | You'd need to link the program giving another dynamic loader | 14:09 |
| zear | but i'd really try to avoid using openwrt | 14:09 |
| viric | I imagine the dynamic loader in the nanonote does not understand your shared libs | 14:09 |
| blogic | zear: blasphemic | 14:09 |
| blogic | :D | 14:09 |
| zear | blogic, :P | 14:10 |
| viric | but I don't really know what did the uclibc people do for version compatibility | 14:10 |
| zear | well, i've got 4 closed-source games i want to port to the nanonote | 14:10 |
| GorDonFreeMan | dammit make it being able to code | 14:10 |
| GorDonFreeMan | {}()[]-+<>|^~* | 14:10 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ; | 14:10 |
| GorDonFreeMan | it only needs a modifier key, and small characters printed lower index to letters | 14:10 |
| viric | zear: why don't you use the nanonote shared libs, instead of the dingux? | 14:10 |
| zear | so i'd rather want to stay away from the openwrt madness | 14:10 |
| jow_laptop | viric: essentially nothing | 14:10 |
| GorDonFreeMan | and the volume buttons lol again | 14:10 |
| GorDonFreeMan | also the esc | 14:10 |
| viric | there are more chances for that to work | 14:10 |
| zear | viric, as i said, if i launch the binary with system libs, it still segfaults | 14:10 |
| viric | can you paste somewhere 'readelf -dh yourbinary' ? | 14:11 |
| zear | sure, 5min | 14:11 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i have these on my keyboard with alt-gr too natively... | 14:11 |
| viric | any readelf will do | 14:11 |
| GorDonFreeMan | but i guess i only hack the labels on the buttons, and modify key bindings to get any layout :P | 14:12 |
| zear | viric, here you go: http://pastebin.com/aE8nH77N | 14:12 |
| GorDonFreeMan | so, 8 hours is not too much, will you make an OLED screen version? | 14:13 |
| zear | GorDonFreeMan, oleds rot | 14:13 |
| zear | it was a plague for GPH Wiz | 14:13 |
| GorDonFreeMan | what you mean by that? | 14:13 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ;/ | 14:13 |
| zear | they simply rot, like that: http://www.vasic.fr/images/14102009232.jpg | 14:14 |
| viric | zear: hm it looks fine. I imagine, as jow_laptop may mean, that the uclibc loader only understands its own libc&co | 14:16 |
| zear | viric, so it would mean that i have to compile the binary using nanonote's own compiler? | 14:16 |
| zear | (back in 2009 dingoo binaries would be compatible) | 14:16 |
| viric | ah | 14:16 |
| viric | by closed source you mean that *you* have the source? | 14:16 |
| zear | i have the source, i can't release it | 14:17 |
| GorDonFreeMan | The biggest technical problem for OLEDs was the limited lifetime of the organic materials.[57] In particular, blue OLEDs historically have had a lifetime of around 14,000 hours to half original brightness (five years at 8 hours a day) when used for flat-panel displays. | 14:17 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i can live with that. | 14:17 |
| viric | ahh ok | 14:17 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i buy a display every year. | 14:17 |
| zear | one being my own game, 3 of someone else that asked me to port it to the dingoo and nanonote | 14:17 |
| viric | ok | 14:17 |
| GorDonFreeMan | and i can have 100kHz refresh rate, and very low power consumption. | 14:17 |
| viric | I can't promise it will work :) | 14:17 |
| viric | I don't know why it does not start in any case. | 14:17 |
| GorDonFreeMan | In 2007, experimental OLEDs were created which can sustain 400 cd/m2 of luminance for over 198,000 hours for green OLEDs and 62,000 hours for blue OLEDs. | 14:18 |
| zear | viric, i'll just compile it with debugging symbols and check with gdb | 14:18 |
| viric | ok | 14:18 |
| zear | maybe it's failing on sdl init | 14:18 |
| viric | please tell what you find | 14:18 |
| zear | although i think i had printfs if that was the case | 14:18 |
| viric | you can strace it | 14:19 |
| zear | yea | 14:19 |
| viric | SDL might do some ioctl on the fb | 14:19 |
| zear | first i thought it's maybe 16 vs 32bpp issue | 14:19 |
| zear | but when compiled with 32bpp the binary still segfaults | 14:19 |
| zear | ok, according to strace the game parses the config file, so that means the binary gets executed | 14:20 |
| zear | and fails somewhere further on | 14:20 |
| zear | http://pastebin.com/QwLudUhY | 14:20 |
| zear | looks like parsing the config is the last thing that happens before the segfault | 14:21 |
| viric | ah, it reaches main then | 14:22 |
| viric | there you go. | 14:23 |
| zear | yep | 14:23 |
| blogic | you could do really sophisticated printf debugging inside main :D | 14:23 |
| GorDonFreeMan | http://hackaday.com/2011/01/09/oled-displays-and-small-microcontrollers/ | 14:23 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ! | 14:23 |
| GorDonFreeMan | also forget white background unless you really need it. | 14:26 |
| GorDonFreeMan | that is stupid. | 14:26 |
| GorDonFreeMan | the letters should glow in color, and bachground should always be dark. | 14:26 |
| GorDonFreeMan | http://hackaday.com/2010/10/14/touring-the-available-nokia-lcd-screens/ | 14:28 |
| GorDonFreeMan | hah c00l | 14:28 |
| wpwrak | zear: fwiw, SDL is pretty much as easy as overriding CC with jlime | 14:34 |
| wpwrak | zear: i never tried SDL with openwrt. but it's guaranteed to be harder because for the gcc vs. libs diaspora | 14:35 |
| zear | wpwrak, are jlime libs compatible with the default nanonote distro? | 14:36 |
| zear | i could finally try out rafa's toolchain if it also works on the default distro | 14:36 |
| wpwrak | zear: not the dynamic ones :) | 14:36 |
| zear | ouch | 14:36 |
| zear | and i can't link statically | 14:36 |
| wpwrak | zear: that would be too easy ;-) | 14:37 |
| zear | wpwrak, so assuming i want my binaries to run on owrt, going with owrt toolchain / lib set is the only way? | 14:38 |
| wpwrak | so it seems | 14:41 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ah | 14:41 |
| GorDonFreeMan | http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201108/11-0831CE/ | 14:41 |
| GorDonFreeMan | Overview of ultra-small, high-definition OLED display | 14:41 |
| GorDonFreeMan | 0.7-inch (Diagonal 18.0mm), Ultra-Small High-Definition | 14:41 |
| GorDonFreeMan | Color OLED Display Achieving 2.8M Effective Pixels | 14:41 |
| GorDonFreeMan | http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201108/11-097E/ | 14:43 |
| GorDonFreeMan | Introducing Worlds First*1 3D Compatible Head Mounted Display Equipped With High Definition OLED Panel | 14:43 |
| GorDonFreeMan | Offering a new 3D-viewing style with movie theater-like virtual screen*2 experience - | 14:43 |
| zear | ok, looks that the segfault in my program is related to the code not being able to parse the configfile | 14:54 |
| zear | which is really weird, because so far it never had problems parsing the files on different os-es and filesystems | 14:54 |
| zear | does nanonote behave in some special way when trying to access "./data/config.cfg" | 14:55 |
| GorDonFreeMan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShapeWriter | 15:11 |
| GorDonFreeMan | does this mean retardness will increase globally? | 15:11 |
| GorDonFreeMan | "just connect the letters together approximately, and the software will guess what da fuck you want to type" | 15:13 |
| wpwrak | suodsg nreet111 :) | 15:17 |
| wpwrak | pink floyd would be so proud. finally we can, with a good conscience, tell kids to stay away from school :) | 15:18 |
| GorDonFreeMan | http://mrsec.wisc.edu/Edetc/nanolab/oLED/index.html | 15:32 |
| GorDonFreeMan | hack an oled for you at home | 15:32 |
| wolfspraul | GorDonFreeMan: since you seem to be new here, let me also introduce you to our other core project, Milkymist One | 15:40 |
| wolfspraul | http://www.milkymist.org | 15:40 |
| wolfspraul | and https://sharism.cc/milkymist | 15:40 |
| wolfspraul | the hardware is more expensive than the NanoNote (500 USD instead of 100 USD), but it's the #1 most interesting new computing platform, imho | 15:41 |
| wolfspraul | if you are into that kind of thing :-) | 15:41 |
| GorDonFreeMan | no i am not interested in your light effect box | 15:43 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i use a computer with linux | 15:43 |
| GorDonFreeMan | The amount of power the display consumes varies significantly depending on the color and brightness shown. As an example, one commercial QVGA OLED display consumes 3 watts while showing black text on a white background, but only 0.7 watts showing white text on a black background.[10] Because the black pixels actually turn off, AMOLED also has contrast ratios that are significantly better than LCD. | 15:45 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i have found an 320x240 oled display module in 2.4" http://www.tme.eu/dok/06_optoelektronika/DEP240320A-RGB.pdf | 16:04 |
| GorDonFreeMan | only ~60 euros. | 16:04 |
| GorDonFreeMan | it states 20000 hours operation | 16:05 |
| GorDonFreeMan | 260mW at 30% of pixels on | 16:05 |
| GorDonFreeMan | response time of 50us | 16:05 |
| GorDonFreeMan | 170deg viewing angle | 16:05 |
| GorDonFreeMan | 10000:1 contrast ratio | 16:06 |
| GorDonFreeMan | Viewing Angle= CR>10 | 16:06 |
| GorDonFreeMan | Color Mode: Full Color (262K color) | 16:08 |
| GorDonFreeMan | Driver IC: S6E63D6, COG Assembly | 16:08 |
| GorDonFreeMan | wow | 16:14 |
| GorDonFreeMan | even better | 16:14 |
| GorDonFreeMan | http://shop.4dsystems.com.au/search.php?orderby=position&orderway=desc&search_query=oled&submit_search=Search | 16:14 |
| GorDonFreeMan | http://www.4dsystems.com.au/prod.php?id=119 | 16:25 |
| GorDonFreeMan | Low-cost 2.4" AMOLED display graphics user interface solution. | 16:26 |
| GorDonFreeMan | 240 x 320 QVGA resolution, RGB 65K true to life colours, AMOLED screen. | 16:26 |
| GorDonFreeMan | Easy 5 pin interface to any host device: | 16:26 |
| GorDonFreeMan | - VCC, TX, RX, GND, RESET. | 16:26 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ... | 16:26 |
| wolfspraul | well, regarding KiCad 1 year later, I have to say - lots of inconsistent naming convention changes | 16:38 |
| wolfspraul | I wouldn't mind cleanup at all, but the inconsistency is something that could be better | 16:39 |
| wolfspraul | sometimes from SomeFunction to some_function | 16:39 |
| wolfspraul | sometimes the other direction | 16:39 |
| wolfspraul | pretty much all sorts of seemingly random 'cleanup' | 16:39 |
| wolfspraul | g_pcb_plot_options.PlotLine_Width became g_PcbPlotOptions.m_PlotLineWidth | 16:39 |
| wolfspraul | underscores added or removed, capitalization added or removed | 16:40 |
| wolfspraul | well then :-) | 16:40 |
| zear | is there a precompiled owrt toolchain for nanonote available? | 17:39 |
| zear | since i'm not willing to waste 2+ hours to build one just to test one thing | 17:39 |
| wolfspraul | http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/images/NanoNote/Ben/2011-11-13/ | 17:47 |
| wolfspraul | there's one | 17:47 |
| wolfspraul | I think | 17:47 |
| zear | thanks | 17:48 |
| zear | wolfspraul, that archive seems to be broken | 18:13 |
| zear | i can't extract it | 18:13 |
| zear | the sdk one for x86 | 18:13 |
| wolfspraul | zear: sdk is the big one. that's the one you downloaded? | 18:40 |
| wolfspraul | 32bit or 64bit? | 18:40 |
| nickoe | hey wpwrak, you never told me you left gta02-core and moved here :) | 21:03 |
| wpwrak | nickoe: well, gta02-core sort of fell asleep. nobody really "left". the project more faded out. | 21:37 |
| wpwrak | and grmbl, my 3rd samsung with CCFL is dying :-( | 21:37 |
| viric | what is ccfl? | 21:38 |
| wpwrak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ccfl | 21:38 |
| viric | (I also write 'grmbl'... where does that come from?) | 21:38 |
| wpwrak | "grumble" | 21:39 |
| wpwrak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumble_(sound) | 21:39 |
| viric | they don't talk about 'grmbl' | 21:40 |
| wpwrak | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=grmbl | 21:42 |
| viric | even with a tag | 21:43 |
| viric | nice | 21:43 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i just read on #hardware that ccfl is cool | 21:48 |
| GorDonFreeMan | and led sucks | 21:48 |
| GorDonFreeMan | and tft is crap because newer than crt | 21:49 |
| viric | what is good about ccfl? | 21:49 |
| viric | low power consumption? | 21:49 |
| GorDonFreeMan | and i have been told that oled is not led | 21:49 |
| GorDonFreeMan | well i was just sarcastic, they are retards | 21:49 |
| GorDonFreeMan | and /or trolls | 21:50 |
| viric | #hardware is quite a broad term | 21:50 |
| viric | is there #software? | 21:50 |
| GorDonFreeMan | haha well they mean pc hardware you know | 21:51 |
| viric | and software, pc software. | 21:51 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i don't know, but never was thinking of joining a channel like that | 21:51 |
| viric | where do you go for software questions? | 21:52 |
| GorDonFreeMan | well i dont have any | 21:52 |
| wpwrak | the cool thing abuot ccfl is the limited lifetime. so you have to buy more often. the industry likes that. | 21:52 |
| viric | "I want a program that outputs fibonacci numbers" | 21:52 |
| GorDonFreeMan | haha | 21:52 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i'm a coder | 21:52 |
| GorDonFreeMan | and scientist | 21:53 |
| viric | big names | 21:53 |
| GorDonFreeMan | but come to #programming if you have questions | 21:53 |
| viric | Who would join #programming?! | 21:54 |
| viric | You join #programming, and would not join #software? | 21:54 |
| GorDonFreeMan | well you have not much options here | 21:54 |
| GorDonFreeMan | well #software sound retard | 21:54 |
| GorDonFreeMan | #programming not | 21:54 |
| viric | I don't see any relevant difference | 21:55 |
| wpwrak | s/t .*/ce/ ? :) | 21:55 |
| GorDonFreeMan | ok, well i'm somewhat sure you will find coders in #programming, and unsure about #software | 21:56 |
| wpwrak | well, that was for viric :) | 21:56 |
| viric | abouce? | 21:57 |
| GorDonFreeMan | yes | 21:57 |
| GorDonFreeMan | all wells gone to viric | 21:57 |
| wpwrak | apply the substitution to your previous message ... | 21:57 |
| viric | donce? | 21:57 |
| viric | "I donce"? | 21:58 |
| wpwrak | oh, right. | 21:58 |
| viric | don'ce, sorry | 21:58 |
| GorDonFreeMan | you wanna play IQfighter ? | 21:58 |
| wpwrak | s/nt.*/nce/ then | 21:58 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i don't have time for crap now | 21:58 |
| viric | :D | 21:58 |
| viric | oh, we have a genius in the channel. | 21:58 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i didn't say that, but, maybe | 21:59 |
| Action: GorDonFreeMan is dominating | 21:59 | |
| viric | IQ is not one of the most useful things to have in life :) | 21:59 |
| Action: GorDonFreeMan is Godlike | 21:59 | |
| viric | to say it... softly. | 21:59 |
| GorDonFreeMan | yeah and not being egoist | 21:59 |
| GorDonFreeMan | btw i'm on hardware to collect bullshit sentences only | 22:01 |
| GorDonFreeMan | i need those logs for a retard bot | 22:01 |
| viric | ah, a bot. that explains all. | 22:01 |
| GorDonFreeMan | sure with baseline AI | 22:02 |
| GorDonFreeMan | [230100] <Star2012> is it possible to use my graphics card to recieve video from it's DVI port...no | 22:03 |
| GorDonFreeMan | things like this can make you smile | 22:03 |
| viric | you could get something similar with #software | 22:06 |
| GorDonFreeMan | [230102] <TheLifelessOne> I want to be able to use my DVI port to recieve video from a game console and output it to something | 22:06 |
| nickoe | wpwrak, yeah, ohh well | 22:59 |
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