| whitequark | wpwrak: (cyanogen) I have cyanogen, of course | 00:28 |
|---|---|---|
| whitequark | the stock firmware is not only absolutely close-sourced, but also horribly unusable | 00:29 |
| whitequark | not like in "not as good as iphone" but more like "oh crap is this fucking beta?!!" | 00:29 |
| whitequark | prior to installing cyanogen, I've almost entirely lost my faith in Google making something usable | 00:29 |
| whitequark | actually, that wasn't Google's fault. | 00:30 |
| whitequark | cyanogen isn't ideal either--some nitpicking applies, and browser hangs sometimes--but it is really really good. I'd say it approaches Apple's software quality in several areas | 00:31 |
| whitequark | it's CM 7, which is based on Android 2.3. People say that CM9 based on Android 4 is even better, but it is not ready for my phone yet | 00:31 |
| whitequark | as per the blobs | 00:32 |
| whitequark | CM "releases" for different phones actually consist of identical CM codebase + blobs extracted from the stock firmware | 00:32 |
| whitequark | so it's just the same (except that blobs are often written by idiots and fail because of some minor differences, and _also_ some of them don't work with CM 9 because of ABI changes) | 00:33 |
| whitequark | (close-sourced stock fw) Samsung has released the full kernel sources--there are no kernel binary drivers--but there are blobs in Android, and they didn't obviously released any of their Android modifications | 00:35 |
| whitequark | another thing I like about this phone is its bootloader: a) unbrickable b) not tivoized. | 00:35 |
| whitequark | it tracks the count of reflashes, and I think records if a custom firmware was ever installed on phone, but you won't need to get support due to software problems (see a), and I never heard of people whose phone got rejected on warranty service because of custom firmware, if there was a hardware problem. | 00:37 |
| wpwrak | still sounds like an unfriendly place to be. i think i'll stick with my cute little x830 dumbphone for a little longer ;-) | 00:40 |
| whitequark | wpwrak: depends on your definition of "friendly" | 00:46 |
| whitequark | yes, it has blobs. My notebook does, too: fglrx. | 00:47 |
| whitequark | otherwise, the OS is fine. I'm more worried about applications. Android doesn't have very fine-grained permission model (I doubt it could have it without imposing needless restrictions), and they're closed-source | 00:48 |
| whitequark | I think twice before installing anything. | 00:48 |
| whitequark | e.g. all applications which want to save any sensible amount of data--games, anything with cache, etc.--has the "read and write SD card permission" | 00:49 |
| whitequark | *have | 00:49 |
| whitequark | they could as well gather all of my passwords and dump them somewhere. | 00:50 |
| whitequark | for example, I'm looking at permissions for Angry Birds now | 00:52 |
| whitequark | "modify/delete SD card contents" | 00:52 |
| whitequark | "coarse (network-based) location" | 00:52 |
| whitequark | "full Internet access" | 00:53 |
| whitequark | "read phone state and identity" | 00:53 |
| whitequark | this is just a huge WTF. | 00:53 |
| whitequark | no, really? phone identity? | 00:53 |
| wpwrak | ;-) | 00:54 |
| wpwrak | android - bringing all the joy of the windows world to linux-based telephony :) | 00:54 |
| whitequark | just what I thought | 00:54 |
| whitequark | for decades, firewalls were required in *nix world to prevent something getting inside | 00:55 |
| whitequark | and in the *doze world to prevent what's already inside from spreading further | 00:55 |
| whitequark | but at least I can finally trust my OS. This is, I should note, not true with dumbphones. | 00:56 |
| wpwrak | the key to security on dumbphones is simply that they can't do much :) | 01:00 |
| whitequark | I, personally, can't live without GPS | 01:08 |
| whitequark | that has some implications. | 01:08 |
| whitequark | a separate GPS navigator is an option, but it's easier to not install anything you see on Market. | 01:08 |
| kristianpaul | wpwrak: yes, you just said it (bring windows) | 01:09 |
| whitequark | my personal plan on reducing the amount of crap in the world is as follows: | 01:09 |
| whitequark | a) identify crap b) contain it c) destroy by replacing with something better | 01:09 |
| whitequark | android is on step b). | 01:09 |
| wpwrak | step c) sounds good :) | 01:10 |
| whitequark | I mean, in the whole ecosystem. As OS it approaches c). | 01:10 |
| kristianpaul | just OS? | 01:10 |
| whitequark | kristianpaul: sadly, you still have all the binary drivers and unholy GSM, and you can't do anything with the latter | 01:11 |
| wpwrak | and i really wonder if my fridge has decided to die this year ... that would be a rather inconvenient moment. or maybe it's just defrosting. | 01:11 |
| whitequark | and the state of mobile applications isn't very promising when it comes to FOSS | 01:11 |
| kristianpaul | just defrosting is not very commoun unless scheduled :-) | 01:12 |
| whitequark | wpwrak: err... can your fridge decide to go defrosting on its own? sounds scary | 01:12 |
| wpwrak | kristianpaul: oh, it does that automatically from time to time. just seems to let things get suspiciously warm. | 01:12 |
| kristianpaul | wow ! | 01:12 |
| whitequark | a machine rebel! | 01:12 |
| kristianpaul | my mom will like that ;) | 01:12 |
| wpwrak | whitequark: i think better modern fridges normally do that | 01:13 |
| wpwrak | the critter is almost ten years old. i'm not sure if it's just coincidence or if its age is showing. | 01:14 |
| whitequark | as per that osmocombb link (catcher) | 01:15 |
| whitequark | I really hope that the developers live in a good place no government on Earth knows about | 01:16 |
| kristianpaul | too dramatic :) | 01:16 |
| whitequark | that wasn't entirely serious :) | 01:17 |
| whitequark | it's not that particular project, through | 01:17 |
| whitequark | the whole GSM situation is a bomb waiting to explode | 01:17 |
| whitequark | a textbook example on why you don't do closed protocols | 01:18 |
| kristianpaul | GSM explode by it self i bet :) | 01:19 |
| kristianpaul | and obsolete sooner or latter | 01:19 |
| whitequark | yeah, it's more surprising that it has not exploded yet | 01:20 |
| whitequark | (obsolete) I don't know practically anything on LTE or another 3-to-5 letter acronyms | 01:20 |
| whitequark | but I bet they're quite similar in that sense | 01:20 |
| wpwrak | telcos hate nothing more than change. did you know that ATM (that's 155 Mbps and beyond technology, which was fast at its time) signaling still included dialing individual digits ? so you could send the destination address one digit per signaling message ... | 01:23 |
| whitequark | LOL | 01:23 |
| kristianpaul | not surprising :) | 01:24 |
| whitequark | this considerably raises the bar on the most stupid technology thing I've seen | 01:24 |
| whitequark | wpwrak: are you sure it's nothing like an April's fool RFC? :D | 01:25 |
| wpwrak | that wuold be more the domain of all the crazy "tcp without tcp" schemes they hatched in the atm world | 01:26 |
| kristianpaul | udp :) | 01:30 |
| pabs3 | whitequark: http://f-droid.org/ for FOSS Android apps | 05:44 |
| whitequark | pabs3: thanks | 07:17 |
| pabs3 | whitequark: theres also http://replicant.us/ if you want to get rid of the OS blobs | 07:18 |
| pabs3 | personally I would bet on FSO and distros containing it though | 07:19 |
| whitequark | pabs3: err, no WiFi, no BT | 07:59 |
| whitequark | sorry, I bought that phone because it has WiFi | 07:59 |
| whitequark | not the other way around | 07:59 |
| pabs3 | whitequark: eh? Replicant is an Android fork, not a phone :) | 10:48 |
| viric | pabs3: it does not plan to support wifi | 10:50 |
| viric | pabs3: it's in their list of "what we will probably never achieve" | 10:50 |
| pabs3 | viric: I guess you can copy the wifi blobs from CM or plain Android | 10:52 |
| whitequark | pabs3: then how it will be different from CM? | 10:54 |
| whitequark | CM is already FOSS | 10:54 |
| whitequark | * | 10:55 |
| whitequark | * except for blobs copied from stock fw, obviously | 10:55 |
| whitequark | but without blobs it's unusable. | 10:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | wpwrak: one of my fridges one day decided to mutate to a breeding box, butter inside was melting liquid. It definitely exaggerated the defrosting, both in temperature rise and duration (which was 'infinite') | 12:57 |
| wpwrak | that must be why they warn of that "dual use" technology ;-) | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically "switching" is as easy as cutting one wire of the starter C, so compressor motor doesn't start turning anymore, still consumes ~100W. The Freon "heatpipe" will conventiently transport the heat from motor to vaporizer inside | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course a simple blocked bearing will do as well | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | only inconvenience: usually the thermostat isn't built to control that operation mode, so you can't set your fridge to 35°C for breeding canary eggs | 13:04 |
| viric | I thought of selling my hp49g on ebay... | 13:07 |
| viric | noone gives a cent for that | 13:07 |
| viric | I should have done that 10 years ago | 13:08 |
| wpwrak | viric: wait another 10 years :) | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm HP49 | 13:19 |
| Action: DocScrutinizer sobs a little thinking of his HP45CV that got incinerated some 4 years ago | 13:20 | |
| wpwrak | what, not a HP41 ? now i'm disappointed | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr, 41? Look, my brain rots | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not be surprised if this was related to the incident that killed my HP calculator. I don't want to know what toxic fumes that fire produced and exposed me to | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | NiCad cells, LiIon cells, several handheld devices, all incinerated *indoors* - with me extinguishing the fire (and burning my face) | 13:37 |
| viric | oh | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, looking at the wikipedia picture, it obviously been a hp-41cv | 13:38 |
| wpwrak | hah ! :) | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, hp-49 has a crappy keyboard | 14:02 |
| whitequark | DocScrutinizer: why the fire has started? | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably a runaway NiMH battery in a "table hoover" that sat on his charging bay | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | but nobody can tell from the ashes | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | cheap chinese crap, charging the batteries with constant current all the time, from a poorly stabilized wallwart PSU | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | once a NiMH runs away and gets hot, there's no stopping anymore | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | as voltage drops, thus current increaes -> even ore heat produced | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | some cheap crap like http://www.amazon.de/Tristar-KR-2155-Handstaubsauger-nass-trocken/dp/B002OI9SKO/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1325340999&sr=8-10 | 14:17 |
| viric | DocScrutinizer: yes, very bad keyboard compared to hp48 | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | the keys were the one most outstanding thing of good HP calculators like HP-25, HP-41 | 14:19 |
| viric | I only experienced 48 and 49 | 14:20 |
| viric | oh In 2003, the CAS source code of the 49G ROM was released under the LGPL. | 14:21 |
| Action: kristianpaul sold its HP50g to buy the Nanonote | 15:09 | |
| kristianpaul | i wasnt using latelly so much anyway since learn bit of scilab and discover some CAS for linux | 15:11 |
| kristianpaul | but i miss the keyboard :/ | 15:11 |
| kristianpaul | hmm btw no Maxima in the nanonote.. | 15:14 |
| kristianpaul | openwrt's* | 15:14 |
| kristianpaul | viric: just 49G? | 15:32 |
| kristianpaul | interesting | 15:32 |
| kristianpaul | why i dint knew that.. | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | hp50g looks "decent" - would like to get one | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | but for today it's just cursing my company for doing wages money transfer just yesterday, so neither hp50g nor anything else for me this year :-( | 15:36 |
| viric | kristianpaul: didn't know what? | 15:36 |
| kristianpaul | viric: relesed sourced code for 49g | 15:37 |
| viric | ah | 15:37 |
| kristianpaul | released* | 15:37 |
| viric | me neither. | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably I won't be able to afford the public transport ticket to go to work on Monday ;-P | 15:37 |
| kristianpaul | ?? | 15:37 |
| viric | DocScrutinizer: this year? There is little left of this year | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what's pissing me off | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | no shopping this year, no food nor booze for this night, no shopping for next week's working days - whatever I planned to buy between xmess and new year | 15:39 |
| viric | oh. | 15:40 |
| viric | I'm sorry | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | a credit with 0% interest for the employer, from every employee | 15:41 |
| viric | they did the wages transfer yesterday, or did not? | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | they allegedly did, now it's between the banks | 15:41 |
| viric | ah ok | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, this is no better than working as freelancer | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | where I also sent my invoice last of month usually | 15:42 |
| viric | error: cannot download mplayer_jz47xx-0.1.2.tar.gz from any mirror | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | so WTF are they paying just a third of what a freelancer would earn? | 15:43 |
| viric | companies are made to give money to company owners | 15:43 |
| viric | not for any other purpose | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, and it's making me sick to get abised by them | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | abused | 15:44 |
| viric | abusing is a good way of making money | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hire experts, send them to a company for much money, pay then a fraction of what they earn you, and then even transfer that money at latest possible point in time | 15:45 |
| lars_ | DocScrutinizer: 1/3 before or after taxes? | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe 1/4 after | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | like 40% before | 15:49 |
| lars_ | you should probably not have signed that contract | 15:49 |
| wpwrak | 1/4 = 40% ? | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 15:51 |
| lars_ | 1/4 after taxes, 40% before taxes | 15:52 |
| wpwrak | ah .. after tax / before tax. i see. | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | 100%=freelancer, 40%=employee bruto, 25%=employee netto | 15:52 |
| wpwrak | freelancers don't pay taxes ? | 15:52 |
| lars_ | they do | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure they do | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | but not ~50% of bruto income | 15:53 |
| lars_ | and they even pay more on social security | 15:53 |
| lars_ | because here in germany your employer pays about half of it | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends, this time on country I guess | 15:54 |
| lars_ | yes, but we are talking about you | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't see how I pay any social taxes as a freelancer | 15:54 |
| viric | here employers pay the social security, after that we name it 'bruto', then the employee pays the taxes, and after that, we name it 'netto'. | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's more like I pay for pension now that I'll never get | 15:55 |
| lars_ | no health insurance? | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that been like 5..10% of my bruto income as freelancer, for the last few jobs | 15:56 |
| wpwrak | and taxes are probably progressive. so with a lower income, you also lose a smaller fraction to feeding the banksters | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | definitely not that much | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm anyway already close to max of almost 50% incl all with my income | 15:58 |
| wpwrak | if the visible tax burden is suddenly much worse after becoming an employee, then you may not have paid all the taxes before :) | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for freelancers there's no such progression | 15:58 |
| lars_ | DocScrutinizer: i would way if you'd get 55%-65% brutto of your freelancer income it would be ok | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | for health at least | 15:58 |
| lars_ | less is bad, more is good | 15:59 |
| wpwrak | DocScrutinizer: not health insurance but other taxes | 15:59 |
| lars_ | 'i would say' | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | wpwrak: I got no unemployment ensurance as frelancer, so hadn't to pay for it | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got no pension taxes to pay as freelancer as well | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | and my health insurance was definitely less as well | 16:01 |
| lars_ | you pay more although you earn less? | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got a completely different class of insurance for health | 16:03 |
| viric | now you get a hospital room for you, if you catch a cold? | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got that before, after paying my own share of max 2000EUR per year | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | private insurance | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | now I pay more, for less | 16:04 |
| viric | ok | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | but not paying any 2000¬ on my own, so every fool can visit doc 8 times a month, asking for whatever prescription, and that's what makes this insurance WAY more expensive | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | which "doesn't care, as employer does all that for you, so you got no choice anyway | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | "working in Taipei" was the most economic thing, regarding taxes | 16:08 |
| lars_ | well, life sucks, we all know that ;) | 16:12 |
| lars_ | and whining about it, won't change it | 16:12 |
| kristianpaul | bingo :) | 16:20 |
| kristianpaul | :D http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/ | 16:20 |
| kristianpaul | rss are fantastic ;) | 16:21 |
| viric | we are still lucky, because 80K people die every day in the world due to lack of access to food. | 16:21 |
| viric | not by chance they can't access food, of course. | 16:21 |
| kristianpaul | wolfspraul: should consider at http://planet.osmocom.org/ to our planet at some point | 16:25 |
| lars_ | kristianpaul: i heard you like planets, so i put a planet on planet? | 16:26 |
| kristianpaul | he | 16:28 |
| kristianpaul | thats the problem | 16:29 |
| kristianpaul | ah nv | 16:29 |
| kristianpaul | i got, the planet was fed by the this trac | 16:30 |
| kristianpaul | http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/blog?format=rss | 16:30 |
| kristianpaul | phew | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | lars_: Microsoft is evil, and quoting Helmut Kohl doesn't change that - sounds as much to the point | 16:40 |
| lars_ | not really | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway happy new year to the asian and australian areas | 17:12 |
| viric | they may be all drunk already | 17:33 |
| kristianpaul | here they're already ;) | 17:33 |
| kristianpaul | and no 2012 yet | 17:34 |
| viric | I update the nanonixos in the nanonote for the new year :) | 18:21 |
| kristianpaul | phew, vpn out ! i can rest in peace :) | 18:42 |
| whitequark | grr | 22:01 |
| whitequark | so loud | 22:02 |
| kristianpaul | ? | 22:06 |
| wolfspraul | I thought this was an interesting year-end Android roundup https://plus.google.com/112218872649456413744/posts/75aLL1dWY2u | 22:16 |
| wolfspraul | from an open source perspective | 22:16 |
| mstevens | I played with an android tablet today, I was surprised how non-crap they are | 22:17 |
| mstevens | from a UI perspective | 22:17 |
| kristianpaul | i can imagine | 23:03 |
| kristianpaul | i always was curios to check first UI for android early devices witn no touch, i guess/hope they can be inspiring for our little nanonote | 23:04 |
| pabs3 | wolfspraul: can you pastebin for those of us who disable JS? | 23:16 |
| mstevens | I should see what the current nanonote software is like | 23:21 |
| kristianpaul | pabs3: w3m works quite nice | 23:32 |
| kristianpaul | pabs3: http://paste.debian.net/150648/ just in case | 23:32 |
| pabs3 | thanks | 23:50 |
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