| ezdagor | Any news on Nanonote 2.0? | 00:17 |
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| wpwrak | ezdagor: no, no news on the money situation :) | 00:25 |
| ezdagor | Ah. | 00:26 |
| ezdagor | Ok. Compiling kernel without any sort of screen blanking. | 00:35 |
| ezdagor | ..LCD backlight, I mean | 00:35 |
| kristianpaul | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/exploitation_entrepreneurship_capitalism_and_making_money_free_software | 02:58 |
| deneme | we should be able to ppp to our phone for internet connection, right? | 07:30 |
| xiangfu | deneme, don't know that. | 07:51 |
| deneme | eh... openwrt has the necessary packages afaik | 07:53 |
| deneme | the question is, can i achieve 3g | 07:53 |
| deneme | or just gprs | 07:53 |
| deneme | I should be able to try tomorrow, once I have a usb cable with both ends female | 07:54 |
| xiangfu | deneme, what device you using? ben nanonote? | 07:55 |
| deneme | yeah yeah | 07:55 |
| xiangfu | deneme, ben nanonote only have usb client. not usb host. | 07:55 |
| deneme | does not? | 07:55 |
| xiangfu | deneme, so you can not connect a 3g usb gadget to nanonote. :( | 07:55 |
| deneme | basically, I cannot connect any gadget to nanonote :( | 07:56 |
| xiangfu | deneme, that is true. | 07:56 |
| akiwiguy | unless you have sdio 3g gadget that is. | 07:56 |
| xiangfu | akiwiguy, is there such device? sdio 3g? | 07:57 |
| akiwiguy | i don't think there is. | 07:57 |
| akiwiguy | but would be cool if there was. | 07:57 |
| akiwiguy | you _could_ get a base 3g board with serial out, controlled with AT commands | 07:57 |
| akiwiguy | then you could hook that to NanoNote's serial port | 07:58 |
| akiwiguy | but that is a bit of work and then you'd have to port some software to do the dialing and such to the NanoNote too | 07:58 |
| xiangfu | there are some SDIO devices: http://www.spectec.com.tw/products.html | 07:59 |
| akiwiguy | that website look horrible :P | 08:01 |
| akiwiguy | hmm | 08:01 |
| akiwiguy | there is full size SD 3g card | 08:01 |
| xiangfu | akiwiguy, yes. | 08:02 |
| xiangfu | it's just a picture. without any detail. :( | 08:02 |
| akiwiguy | yeah :/ | 08:02 |
| xiangfu | akiwiguy, I want know how to insert the SIM card to this SD 3g card. :) | 08:03 |
| akiwiguy | i think there would just be a slot of it at the end of the card | 08:03 |
| akiwiguy | much like microsd -> sd adapters | 08:04 |
| akiwiguy | s/of/for/ | 08:04 |
| deneme | well, off i go | 09:09 |
| dvdk | Morning | 09:31 |
| dvdk | deneme asked about how to get online on the Ben Nanonote via 3G/UMTS | 09:32 |
| dvdk | that might not be as difficult as it seems: I already got online with extremely cheep dumbphones, all of them seem to support PPP protocol via a serial data cable. | 09:33 |
| dvdk | (or alternatively IRDA) | 09:33 |
| dvdk | The data cables are run at 3V levels AFAIR, so cutting a cable and soldering it to the ben's hidden serial port pins would already do the job. | 09:34 |
| dvdk | On the software side we need pppd and chat. For reference, here are the chat/pppd config files I used to dial out via various phones on Debian: http://mosquito.dyndns.tv/opensvn/free/trunk/ma660/etc/ppp/ | 09:35 |
| wolfspraul | dvdk: oh, wait ;-) | 10:07 |
| wolfspraul | is there something we can include in the image by default to make this easier? | 10:07 |
| wolfspraul | or a wiki page to document maybe? | 10:07 |
| dvdk | wolfspraul: hi | 10:12 |
| dvdk | wolfspraul: don't have my nanonote with me now; 'pppd' and 'chat' should be available in openwrt, given how network/router-centric it is. | 10:13 |
| dvdk | (i'd guess they're included by default!?) | 10:14 |
| dvdk | On the openwrt forum there's a post documenting ppp config file locations on openwrt. when done just run 'pppd call provider' | 10:15 |
| dvdk | https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=2776 | 10:15 |
| dvdk | yes, if somebody makes this work, a wiki page would be great. | 10:16 |
| dvdk | :) | 10:16 |
| kristianpaul | i lost mt T230 dumbphone, and the idea to get gprs from it for the nanonote | 14:58 |
| kristianpaul | may bd dvdk can tell us with list of dumphone had used in the nanonote? | 15:02 |
| dvdk | no, not with nanonote, just with linux (ubuntu/debian) | 15:02 |
| kristianpaul | ah | 15:02 |
| dvdk | using data cable that contains a prolific usb-serial converter | 15:03 |
| kristianpaul | yes, old way :) | 15:03 |
| dvdk | samsung c-270 worked | 15:03 |
| dvdk | looks like c-270 isn't sold currently? | 15:03 |
| dvdk | should be around 20 eur | 15:03 |
| kristianpaul | thats the problem, and most phones now that have EDGE/3G/UMT uses usb port and are kinda expensive | 15:04 |
| Action: kristianpaul mises phones with serial port :( | 15:04 | |
| dvdk | hmm, how many phones still come with irda? | 15:06 |
| kristianpaul | hmm still, dunno bluetoth kill irda i think | 15:08 |
| kristianpaul | and even in the palm times was a bit messy get internet trought at least what i remenber | 15:09 |
| kristianpaul | at wait was get it sync :) | 15:10 |
| dvdk | what about the samsung e1150? | 15:18 |
| Artyom | Kristianpaul hi :) | 19:07 |
| kristianpaul | hello | 19:07 |
| Artyom | Have you seen my osgps port to MM SoC? | 19:09 |
| kristianpaul | yes i did | 19:12 |
| kristianpaul | is vhdl but i got the idea i think :) | 19:13 |
| Artyom | BTW Did you ever run GDB with MM | 19:16 |
| Artyom | ? | 19:16 |
| kristianpaul | nope never | 19:16 |
| kristianpaul | but you can ask wpwrak , he did ;) or mwalle in #milkymist | 19:16 |
| Artyom | yeah, I will do it if I wont be able to understand myself ;) | 19:18 |
| viric | hej... I just broke a piece of the heater. I'll show it, for your guesses... | 19:24 |
| viric | http://viric.name/tmp/DSC_0432.JPG | 19:26 |
| viric | wpwrak: can you tell me what it is? It was in serial with the big heating resistor, screwed touching the external metal part of the heater. I think it cuts the current when it's too hot | 19:26 |
| viric | I hope it is this http://es.farnell.com/stancor/sto-140/thermostat/dp/1353103 | 19:34 |
| kristianpaul | viric: looks like | 21:43 |
| viric | I hope so | 21:44 |
| roh | what kind of heater? | 21:44 |
| viric | I'll check the local supplier for that. | 21:44 |
| kristianpaul | btw you fixing heating system just in season? :) | 21:44 |
| viric | kristianpaul: of course :) | 21:45 |
| Freemor | p | 21:45 |
| roh | viric: the one you linked switches off at ~60°C | 21:45 |
| Freemor | sorry clumbsy fingers here | 21:45 |
| viric | ah, I did not care on the temperature on the link. I'll choose one for 80°C | 21:46 |
| viric | roh: it's one of those white metal things hanging on the wall | 21:46 |
| roh | eeh... 60 sounds good | 21:47 |
| roh | check the original label | 21:47 |
| viric | I luckily found '80' there, matching my guess :) | 21:47 |
| viric | '80C' specifically | 21:47 |
| viric | thank you :) | 21:48 |
| viric | (grrr I'm fighting with gnuplot! Any gnuplot master?) | 21:48 |
| kristianpaul | i know how to plot in column no more ;) | 21:50 |
| kristianpaul | actualy havin problems with multiple colums last weeks :| | 21:51 |
| viric | :) | 22:10 |
| viric | me too | 22:11 |
| viric | but some minutes ago it somehow worked | 22:11 |
| viric | every time I touch gnuplot, it's a bad experience | 22:11 |
| viric | I've updated from 4.4.0 to 4.4.2 | 22:12 |
| viric | no help | 22:12 |
| viric | I'll try to go to 4.4.4. | 22:13 |
| GordonFreeman | write it in c then | 22:20 |
| kristianpaul | the manual said their sintax is novery much flexible so.. | 22:21 |
| viric | gnuplot? | 22:27 |
| kristianpaul | yup | 22:27 |
| viric | it's painful | 22:27 |
| GordonFreeman | a for loop can be very flexible | 22:28 |
| GordonFreeman | try it sometime | 22:28 |
| viric | my problem is not how to plot graphs | 22:29 |
| viric | I've a C program that generates a text file with data downloaded from a device. I want users to be able to run: "gnuplot thatfile" | 22:29 |
| viric | http://viric.name/soft/pce/ | 22:29 |
| GordonFreeman | generate image then. | 22:29 |
| viric | but gnuplot offers zoom, pan, gives the numbers below the mouse cursor, allows to set marks, ... | 22:30 |
| viric | and I don't want to rewrite gnuplot now. Maybe another day. :) | 22:30 |
| GordonFreeman | i see, so there are some functions that would be needed to write | 22:30 |
| viric | I know how to solve the problem "with time and a computer" | 22:31 |
| wpwrak | viric: i often write a shell script that then invokes gnuplot. that gives a lot of flexibility | 22:31 |
| viric | I just want it solved "in less time" | 22:31 |
| GordonFreeman | i like matrix transformations though | 22:31 |
| GordonFreeman | yeah well bash script can draw a graph | 22:32 |
| viric | wpwrak: I thought gnuplot could be given one single file that contained script and data easily. | 22:32 |
| GordonFreeman | but performance will be low | 22:32 |
| wpwrak | of course, when i look for a nice and simple example, i only find some in perl ;-) | 22:32 |
| viric | wpwrak: thus you don't find any nice and simple example | 22:32 |
| wpwrak | viric: up to one file, you're good. more than one file, you need something else | 22:33 |
| viric | http://sprunge.us/NUWK | 22:33 |
| viric | I wanted to plot this | 22:33 |
| wpwrak | http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/wernermisc/source/tree/master/m1rc3/norruption/3/plot | 22:34 |
| GordonFreeman | wpwrak<< that is only because lazyness. | 22:34 |
| viric | GordonFreeman: or the "better things to do" reason | 22:34 |
| wpwrak | http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/wernermisc/source/tree/master/ircstat/stat | 22:34 |
| wpwrak | these are reasonably friendly examples | 22:35 |
| viric | I don't like my "download thermometer data" program to output that ;) | 22:36 |
| viric | wpwrak: and both have data files apart. | 22:36 |
| wpwrak | ah, didn't know the "" use. interesting | 22:37 |
| viric | wpwrak: does it work for you?! | 22:39 |
| viric | it worked for me once. On any next run, it failed | 22:39 |
| wpwrak | yeah, doesn't seem to work. good. so it didn't do things awkwardly this far :) | 22:39 |
| viric | but it worked for me once :D | 22:40 |
| viric | and that was due to the advice of someone in #gnuplot | 22:40 |
| wpwrak | maybe you just imagined that ;) | 22:40 |
| viric | After I told him "it does not work anymore" | 22:40 |
| viric | he said: use data files | 22:40 |
| wpwrak | that's what i'd say, too :) | 22:40 |
| viric | annoying. | 22:40 |
| wpwrak | trivial :) | 22:41 |
| viric | ok, I go to bed. I've temperatures or humidities to measure. | 22:41 |
| viric | Bye! | 22:41 |
| wpwrak | temperatures and humidity to measure ... in bed ? | 22:41 |
| viric | aha! in cold winter :) | 22:41 |
| wpwrak | so it is fever and bedwetting - or are you building a sexometer ? :) | 22:41 |
| viric | I go to bed. I leave the measuring device in the room :) | 22:42 |
| viric | well | 22:42 |
| viric | maybe you are interested... | 22:42 |
| viric | In a house, there are troubles in the sleeping room | 22:42 |
| viric | there appears water on the walls | 22:42 |
| viric | in a few days, that starts destroying the painting | 22:43 |
| viric | I imagine there is around ~100% humidity when the room is warm in the evening, then it gets colder in the night, and water condenses | 22:44 |
| viric | on the walls. | 22:44 |
| viric | (the cold comes from the walls) | 22:44 |
| viric | well, that's my trouble. I'm going to measure. :) | 22:44 |
| viric | advices welcome. | 22:44 |
| wpwrak | if the paint gets destroyed that quickly, i'd start looking for a broken pipe | 22:45 |
| viric | wpwrak: those who slept, changed the room. and then it's the other room with water on the walls | 22:45 |
| viric | so there is water where they sleep :) | 22:45 |
| viric | with bad enough isolation, where there could be a step fall of temperature during the night... it could happen | 22:46 |
| wpwrak | this sound more like excessive isolation | 22:48 |
| viric | temperature isolation? or airflow isolation? | 22:48 |
| wpwrak | if there's no way for humidity to leave ... | 22:48 |
| wpwrak | airflow. and probably also the composition of the walls. they should be able to buffer some humidity | 22:49 |
| viric | aha. Maybe they used a too-isolating painting | 22:49 |
| wpwrak | they sleep with the windows closed, don't they ? | 22:49 |
| viric | yes yes. | 22:49 |
| viric | it's below zero outside. | 22:50 |
| wpwrak | so ... ? :) | 22:50 |
| viric | But that does not happen in two other houses in the street. | 22:50 |
| viric | where they have the same habits. | 22:50 |
| viric | And there slept other people in that problematic house... never having any humidity problem before. | 22:51 |
| wpwrak | maybe the other houses have a bit bettr airflow | 22:51 |
| wpwrak | the others probably opened the windows :) | 22:51 |
| viric | hm I doubt it. I'd never open the windows. I never do at night. :) | 22:51 |
| wpwrak | must be pretty horrible - 100% humidity, no fresh air, ... | 22:52 |
| viric | hm | 22:52 |
| viric | well, they open the windows in the morning | 22:52 |
| viric | (they say so) | 22:52 |
| wpwrak | good. so they never have to breathe fresh air ;-) | 22:53 |
| viric | in my case, I've a 17°C when I go to bed, 16°C in the morning. That's little room for water condensation. | 22:53 |
| viric | wpwrak: do you open the windows at night at zero degrees outside? | 22:53 |
| wpwrak | you should probably talk to an architect. there's lot of parameters to consider | 22:53 |
| viric | I've two books at home about that.. I'll check :) and I'll try to find an architect. Good point. | 22:54 |
| wpwrak | pretty much always. except when it's stormy with precipitation. of course, in buenos aires, we rarely have < 0 C. but when i lived in switzerland, of course i had the bedroom window open | 22:54 |
| viric | hm here each home cares about the own heating. | 22:55 |
| viric | anyway, I don't think I can convince them of opening the windows, if they never did before in other houses, and never had trouble. They have to pay for the heating. | 22:55 |
| wpwrak | there's nice warm stuff that you can pile on a bed that keeps you comfty ;-) | 22:55 |
| wpwrak | maybe all you have to do is drill a few holes in the wall ;-) | 22:56 |
| viric | I know. I never heat our bedroom. But they (those with the trouble) do, I imagine.... | 22:56 |
| viric | haha | 22:56 |
| viric | there are wood windows. | 22:56 |
| viric | I'll do some measurements. That will tell something. | 22:56 |
| viric | ok, bye! | 22:56 |
| viric | thank you | 22:57 |
| wpwrak | okay. secretly release a few termites :) | 22:57 |
| viric | there already were termites there! | 22:57 |
| viric | 5 years of treatment | 22:57 |
| viric | I won't repeat that :) | 22:57 |
| wpwrak | maybe it's them and their secret water reservoirs ;-) | 22:57 |
| viric | hehe | 22:57 |
| viric | All this is complicated. I'll try to learn from that. | 22:57 |
| wpwrak | or maybe their engineers discovered the steam engine | 22:57 |
| viric | haha | 22:58 |
| viric | I know some people that sleep with open windows | 22:58 |
| wpwrak | nice time, make ill-fitting windows tht can't be 100% closed :) | 22:58 |
| viric | but they live in lands where they have flat-rate heating | 22:58 |
| wpwrak | the things people do to save a few cents ... | 22:58 |
| viric | here we have a strong culture of saving cents | 22:59 |
| viric | hard to beat. :) | 22:59 |
| viric | ok, good night! | 22:59 |
| wpwrak | sweet (and dry) dreams ! :) | 23:00 |
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