| akiwiguy|dv6 | hello | 01:30 |
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| akiwiguy|dv6 | wolfspraul: i have enough money to get my NanoNote now, i think :D | 01:30 |
| kristianpaul | why haven ordered then !! | 01:32 |
| kristianpaul | havent* | 01:32 |
| kristianpaul | hi akiwiguy|dv6 | 01:32 |
| akiwiguy|dv6 | hello kristianpaul | 01:32 |
| akiwiguy|dv6 | because i'm not quite sure about shipping to NZ | 01:32 |
| kristianpaul | i think wolfspraul is in different time zone those days so well i think you better write a mail to him if is very urgent | 01:32 |
| kristianpaul | I see | 01:32 |
| kristianpaul | New Zealand | 01:33 |
| kristianpaul | * Mar 2010: Sharism shipment of 1 NanoNote from Hong Kong to New Zealand, FedEx Economy, S&H cost USD 19.27, delivered in 6 days after pickup. * Jun 2010: Sharism shipment of 1 NanoNote from Hong Kong to New Zealand, FedEx Priority, S&H cost USD 27.60, delivered 3½ days after pickup. | 01:33 |
| akiwiguy|dv6 | oo that's not too bad then | 01:33 |
| kristianpaul | akiwiguy|dv6: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Shipping_Notes | 01:34 |
| Action: akiwiguy|dv6 looks | 01:34 | |
| akiwiguy|dv6 | oh cool | 01:34 |
| whitequark | an entirely offtopic question here | 02:24 |
| whitequark | (for those of you who're native speakers of English) does "Roomie" sound like a (nick)name for you? or is it clear that the word is derivative? | 02:25 |
| akiwiguy|dv6 | sounds fine to me | 02:30 |
| akiwiguy|dv6 | hmm | 02:43 |
| akiwiguy|dv6 | what timezone is wolfspraul in? | 02:43 |
| whitequark | akiwiguy|dv6: thanks | 02:52 |
| whitequark | akiwiguy|dv6: (wolfspraul) afaik it's either germany or china. probably the former now, but I'm not sure | 02:53 |
| akiwiguy|dv6 | hmm | 02:53 |
| akiwiguy|dv6 | one of my friends in germany is still awake | 02:53 |
| whitequark | his rdns (.t-dialin.net) means it's probably germany | 02:54 |
| akiwiguy|dv6 | though he is a uni student and tends to never sleep very much ever | 02:55 |
| whitequark | time to learn kicad. | 04:27 |
| whitequark | (or maybe geda?..) | 04:30 |
| wpwrak | (roomie) you'd normally indicate whose roommate this is, which would resolve any ambiguity | 04:36 |
| whitequark | wpwrak: I'm translating a webcomic, and it is used like a name | 04:40 |
| whitequark | but there's no equivalent grammatical/lexical construct in Russian | 04:40 |
| whitequark | i.e. you cannot say "roomie" where you'd normally say a name so that it won't sound weird | 04:40 |
| whitequark | even worse, there is no equivalent to affectionate diminutive form of "roommate" at all | 04:41 |
| whitequark | at least anything that won't sound archaic | 04:41 |
| wpwrak | ah, the joy of translating idiomatic uses from one language to another :) | 04:42 |
| whitequark | the worst of all, it's the protagonist :D | 04:43 |
| whitequark | *the protagonist's name | 04:43 |
| whitequark | http://gogetaroomie.chloe-art.com/, through I doubt you'll be interested. I'm doing that mostly because of the challenge of translation | 04:44 |
| whitequark | more on-topic | 04:48 |
| whitequark | I'm currently looking at gEDA | 04:48 |
| whitequark | particularly gschem | 04:48 |
| whitequark | looks like it can do anything I ever wanted Eagle to do | 04:49 |
| whitequark | and it has a slightly less braindead approach to components | 04:49 |
| whitequark | i.e. separate symbol and packages | 04:49 |
| whitequark | and, finally, a selector where you can find anything in less than a hour | 04:49 |
| whitequark | what do you think about it? is gschem/gpcb or kicad a way to go? | 04:51 |
| wpwrak | many years ago, i used gEDA a bit and found its schematics capture inconvenient and the layout tool usable but not really scalable. then kicad came along and i swiched. didn't look back. | 05:01 |
| rjeffries | Just saw this, and pimped it on my G+ account [ronkjeffries] | 05:05 |
| rjeffries | switchsmart@freenode and http://www.switchsmart.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page | 05:06 |
| Action: GordonFreeman wondering why there isn't any non crap pcb editor for linux | 05:06 | |
| roh | eagle and kicad. | 05:09 |
| wpwrak | GordonFreeman: kicad's pcbnew is pretty decent. just lacks a push router. | 05:09 |
| GordonFreeman | eagle is opensource now? | 05:09 |
| roh | geda has nice ideas but its like having duplo when you know lego technic | 05:10 |
| wpwrak | ;-)) | 05:10 |
| roh | GordonFreeman: nope. but its avail for linux | 05:10 |
| GordonFreeman | aha i see | 05:10 |
| GordonFreeman | tried kicad like 1 years ago, and it was crap then | 05:10 |
| roh | v6 switched the fileformat to xml to allow 3rd party tools access stuff easier | 05:11 |
| roh | on eagle.. but its still a closed commercial app | 05:11 |
| GordonFreeman | and there is that "PCB" named thing, but still unusable | 05:11 |
| GordonFreeman | probably coder electronic engineers don't use linux, and don't write pcb editors | 05:12 |
| wpwrak | while some are still complaining, others have been making working circuits for years with it. ymmv ;-) | 05:13 |
| rjeffries | wpwrak doesn't us "crap" tools. He makes 'em dance. the limbo. | 05:13 |
| GordonFreeman | i'd never start using some junk | 05:14 |
| roh | wpwrak: ack. we use eagle atm but also with a full license file (ccc has some 30+ seats) | 05:14 |
| rjeffries | s/us/use | 05:14 |
| GordonFreeman | btw x-fig was almost usable as a schematic designer | 05:14 |
| roh | i'd like using kicad but it needs to be much more 'release-y' that it would work for colaborating in my circles.. everybody has some 5.3x eagle... | 05:15 |
| wpwrak | roh: i wouldn't touch non-free tools, though :) we did quite a few enhancements in kicad | 05:15 |
| GordonFreeman | it only has minor lolnesses, like i had to hack the scroll directions | 05:15 |
| GordonFreeman | and it would need additional logic | 05:15 |
| roh | wpwrak: sure.. no questions... my issue is that i cannot define what other people use. and since i do not want to build some git-revision of kicad for osx and win32.... | 05:15 |
| GordonFreeman | wpwrak<< are you kicad dev? | 05:16 |
| roh | GordonFreeman: on opensource every real user is a dev ;) | 05:16 |
| GordonFreeman | no, a user is a user | 05:16 |
| wpwrak | GordonFreeman: i've contributed some small things over the years. e.g., the "magnetic" pads and traces | 05:17 |
| roh | GordonFreeman: you have to read the last sentence in a 'in soviet russia'-voice *veg* | 05:17 |
| GordonFreeman | roh<< a user does not even have to know anything about programming | 05:17 |
| roh | heh. you are so naive.. somehow i envy that *ducks* | 05:18 |
| roh | but in the end that would explain a lot of badly designed hw... people on the CAE who do not code also. | 05:21 |
| GordonFreeman | i believe most pcb software are crap because programmers don't design pcbs | 05:22 |
| roh | hm. any ideas about a good gif editor for linux? for doing animated icons etc... gimp works but somehow its not 'it' for such stuff | 05:22 |
| GordonFreeman | even if they are good programmers | 05:22 |
| GordonFreeman | imagemagick | 05:23 |
| GordonFreeman | inkscape | 05:23 |
| roh | not pixel editors. converters i have plenty | 05:23 |
| roh | i need easier copying/stiching over multiple frames.. duplicating layers and pushing pixels manually isnt it... i am missing animation features like moving masks of objects for 'n' frames etc | 05:24 |
| GordonFreeman | imagemagick can convert | 05:24 |
| GordonFreeman | scriptable. | 05:24 |
| roh | its still no editor | 05:24 |
| GordonFreeman | sure it does not protect against that | 05:25 |
| GordonFreeman | 061324] <maguoji> the file Makefile is created from Makefile.in? | 05:26 |
| GordonFreeman | [061350] <GordonFreeman> ./configure | 05:26 |
| GordonFreeman | [061409] <GordonFreeman> like any normal linux software | 05:26 |
| GordonFreeman | [061415] <maguoji> but the file Makefile.in is very simple | 05:26 |
| pabs3 | roh: maybe http://www.pencil-animation.org/ ? | 05:26 |
| GordonFreeman | why do i bother;/ | 05:26 |
| roh | pabs3: hm.. worth a try | 05:34 |
| roh | will test synfig ktoon and pencil | 05:34 |
| pabs3 | synfig is vector stuff | 05:36 |
| roh | hm.. ktoon and pencil isnt it | 05:59 |
| roh | feels weird and incomplete | 05:59 |
| roh | synfigstudio seems nice, but needs more time to understand | 06:15 |
| roh | i guess i could just dissect all my animated item elements into atomics and then make them layers which only get transformed from frame to frame in synfig | 06:16 |
| pabs3 | what are you trying to create? | 06:16 |
| roh | animated icons. googling for 'sprite editor' doesnt help much | 06:19 |
| pabs3 | looked at ASEPRITE? http://www.aseprite.org | 06:28 |
| roh | ah. no.. will try *compile* | 06:33 |
| pabs3 | first result on Google :) | 06:37 |
| pabs3 | the wikipedia page mentions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GrafX2 | 06:40 |
| roh | asesprite seems nice, but it feels like booting an amiga | 06:59 |
| roh | will play with it again tomorrow/later... somehow it is 8am again *sigh* | 07:02 |
| valhalla | roh: grafx2 is excellent for old style pixel art, and looks even more like an old amiga program | 07:27 |
| valhalla | roh: iirc aseprite runs on the nanonote, however | 07:29 |
| pabs3 | hm, there is a Debian RFP for aseprite | 07:32 |
| wolfspraul | akiwiguy|dv6: yes, in Germany | 07:33 |
| akiwiguy|dv6 | wolfspraul: hello! | 07:33 |
| wolfspraul | hi :-) | 07:33 |
| akiwiguy|dv6 | i'm ready to buy my NanoNote :D | 07:34 |
| wolfspraul | excellent, thanks! | 07:34 |
| wolfspraul | as usual that makes me both happy to have found another community member, and nervous that the Ben will meet your expectations :-) | 07:34 |
| wolfspraul | I know too many details about the manufacturing process, so the joy is always a bit dampened... | 07:35 |
| akiwiguy|dv6 | hehe | 07:35 |
| wolfspraul | better to buy a 'perfect' product from the store, right? ;-) | 07:35 |
| akiwiguy|dv6 | Nope. | 07:35 |
| akiwiguy|dv6 | Community and open sourcery > anything you can get in a retail store. | 07:35 |
| akiwiguy | Ugh, my internet died again... | 07:45 |
| ezdagor | I'm having a problem with the NN's screen turning completely white after a few moments. Is this an FB driver issue? Do I need to specify a specific driver in order to fix this? Or... ? | 22:32 |
| whitequark | ezdagor: from my experience with jz47xx cpus, I may deduce that in your case LCD controller clock is being turned off somewhy | 22:44 |
| whitequark | given that even on processor halt/kernel panic it is left running, I think there's a hardware problem | 22:45 |
| ezdagor | Hmm. | 22:45 |
| whitequark | i.e. a manual assertion of RESET will give such a result, but that's not your case | 22:45 |
| whitequark | as RESET will also set the backlight control pin to default (hi-z) state | 22:46 |
| whitequark | an undervolage maybe? | 22:46 |
| whitequark | s/undervolage/undervoltage/ | 22:46 |
| whitequark | ezdagor: it also may be a wrong firmware, if you've changed it | 22:51 |
| whitequark | i.e. a kernel with wrong LCD parameters compiled in | 22:51 |
| ezdagor | Yes. I have. | 22:51 |
| ezdagor | What are the "right" parameters? | 22:52 |
| whitequark | ezdagor: just use official (I think it should be somewhere in qi-hardware.com wiki) kernel tree | 22:52 |
| whitequark | also | 22:52 |
| ezdagor | I'm using a fork (?) of the Openwrt source tree. | 22:53 |
| whitequark | you can use a serial console to debug. afaik there are testpoints on NN board, and you can make kernel emit messages to a serial console with a parameter | 22:53 |
| whitequark | "console=ttyS0,115200" | 22:54 |
| ezdagor | I am able to supress the "white screen" on the console, but not in Gmenu2x. | 22:54 |
| whitequark | there's a kernel config variable in "Kernel hacking" section which allows you to bypass bootloader's kernel options and hardcode your own (or just append them) | 22:54 |
| whitequark | hm | 22:54 |
| ezdagor | Hold on. | 22:54 |
| whitequark | what do you do to suppress it? | 22:55 |
| ezdagor | I'm booting the NN. A few moments.. | 22:55 |
| whitequark | ah, wait | 22:55 |
| whitequark | so it does work in the console? | 22:55 |
| whitequark | then it's not the LCD parameters | 22:56 |
| ezdagor | setterm -powersave off -blank 0 | 22:57 |
| whitequark | there may also be another cause. framebuffer blanking does also disable the LCDC clock (at least it did so when I last looked into it). If you don't have a proper backlight device in your kernel, it will remain on and you'll get the white screen effect | 22:57 |
| ezdagor | Nod. | 22:57 |
| ezdagor | It premanently left a "ghost" on the screen. :( | 22:58 |
| whitequark | oh, that may happen for some LCDs | 22:58 |
| ezdagor | Nod. | 22:58 |
| whitequark | NN's must be of a type for which it matters | 22:58 |
| whitequark | in my device it was absolutely harmless | 22:58 |
| ezdagor | So, which LCD driver to use? | 22:59 |
| ezdagor | I remember it being in the kernel a few years ago... I"d recognize it if I saw it, but in recent kernels, I don't think it's there.. | 23:00 |
| whitequark | your driver is fine. I think you've forgot to configure something sysfs-related | 23:00 |
| whitequark | is there anything in /sys/class/graphics/fb0 ? | 23:00 |
| ezdagor | Hmm. | 23:00 |
| ezdagor | fb0 and fbcon | 23:01 |
| whitequark | (Wrong LCD timings mean no picture, a least that was true for the devices I worked with. You have a picture, hence the timings are right.) | 23:01 |
| ezdagor | Ah. | 23:01 |
| whitequark | try "echo 0 >/sys/class/graphics/fb0/blank" with gmenu2x running | 23:01 |
| whitequark | (lcd driver) the fb driver itself is in drivers/video/jz4740_fb.c, and it's configured in arch/mips/jz4740/board-qi_lb60.c | 23:04 |
| ezdagor | Gee thanks. You've just bricked it. There's now a permanent white screen. Even after reboot, and removal of battery. | 23:05 |
| ezdagor | Good thing I have a backup. | 23:06 |
| whitequark | gah. sorry. | 23:06 |
| whitequark | that's strange, through. | 23:06 |
| whitequark | what kernel tree do you use? | 23:07 |
| ezdagor | Hmm. | 23:07 |
| ezdagor | 2.3.34? I can't remember actually. | 23:07 |
| whitequark | no, which one _exactly_ | 23:07 |
| ezdagor | 2.6.34? | 23:07 |
| ezdagor | I know. I can't recall. | 23:07 |
| whitequark | i.e. I'd like to see the sources | 23:07 |
| whitequark | because there a lot of jz47xx kernel trees around, and they all differ a bit | 23:07 |
| ezdagor | It was an OpenWRT source tree. I remember that much. | 23:07 |
| whitequark | you may have selected an unfortunately too wrong one | 23:08 |
| whitequark | wolfspraul, wpwrak: any ideas of what's wrong? | 23:08 |
| ezdagor | Hmm. | 23:08 |
| ezdagor | Ok. It boots now. | 23:11 |
| wolfspraul | maybe the battery is completely drained? | 23:17 |
| wolfspraul | when the battery runs down, at some point the screen will just turn white and poof the device goes down :-) | 23:17 |
| whitequark | yeah, I've suggested that... | 23:18 |
| wolfspraul | we don't have any proper emergency shutdown or so right now, I believe | 23:18 |
| wolfspraul | maybe we could detect that condition at the last moment and turn off the device | 23:18 |
| whitequark | there's a battery ADC afaik | 23:18 |
| whitequark | but no daemon to check it, I guess | 23:18 |
| wpwrak | ezdagor: it can take a moment for the device to drain completely so that you'll get a clean reset. i recommend to leave it completely unpowered for about 20 seconds. | 23:26 |
| ezdagor | Ok. | 23:26 |
| wpwrak | ezdagor: i once measured the exact time (varies a bit from device to device). lemme see if i can find it ... | 23:30 |
| ezdagor | Yeah. It boots fine now. | 23:30 |
| wpwrak | grmbl. can't find it :-( | 23:34 |
| wpwrak | ah, here: http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2011-March/007432.html | 23:36 |
| wpwrak | that time may come from the RTC capacitor, affecting the system in unexpected ways :) | 23:40 |
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