| wolfspraul | kyak: twitter parentheses still there | 02:17 |
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| wolfspraul | even more clutter. now we get a "Tweet created" message. Can we remove it? | 02:21 |
| woakas | http://bit.ly/tZiiNm | 02:22 |
| kyak | hm | 06:36 |
| kyak | now it's probably too less information | 06:36 |
| kyak | wolfspraul: what do you think? Could you mention @qihardware, too? | 06:37 |
| wolfspraul | kyak: don't understand | 06:51 |
| wolfspraul | can we not have the "Tweet created" line at all? | 06:52 |
| kyak | yeah | 06:52 |
| wolfspraul | I mean, we know already because we just had the tweet command in the chat... | 06:52 |
| kyak | then what's left? | 06:52 |
| wolfspraul | nothing | 06:52 |
| wolfspraul | when someone tweets here, why have another confirmation from the bot? | 06:52 |
| kyak | then how do you know if the command actually succedded? | 06:52 |
| wolfspraul | since the tweet command itself is already in the channel | 06:52 |
| kyak | it could be a netspliy | 06:53 |
| wolfspraul | true we don't know, but what can go wrong? | 06:53 |
| wolfspraul | ah | 06:53 |
| kyak | or a loss of connection | 06:53 |
| kyak | who know | 06:53 |
| wolfspraul | people can just check twitter if they really want to confirm | 06:53 |
| kyak | i can't be sure that my tweet was actually created, and i need to go to web, and then it doesn't make sense at all :) | 06:53 |
| kyak | yeah | 06:53 |
| kyak | that's what i'm saying :) | 06:53 |
| kyak | need to open twitter anyway | 06:54 |
| kyak | there must be some confirmation | 06:54 |
| kyak | that's a basic concept of irc commands | 06:54 |
| wolfspraul | well then :-) | 06:54 |
| wolfspraul | is it hard to remove? or easy? | 06:54 |
| kyak | it's super easy | 06:55 |
| wolfspraul | I still think that second line is just noise | 06:55 |
| wolfspraul | 100% noise | 06:55 |
| kyak | the second? | 06:55 |
| wolfspraul | yes, this one: <@qi-bot> Tweet created: http://twitter.com/qihardware | 06:55 |
| kyak | i'd sa, this is the first line :) | 06:55 |
| wolfspraul | no, the first thing I see is this: < kyak> !tweet a humble test 3 | 06:56 |
| wolfspraul | and that's enough, I can assume that it went through | 06:56 |
| kyak | you can't be sure i actually received your last message, can you? | 06:56 |
| kyak | no say something and imaging i just disconnected my cable; or you were disconnected | 06:57 |
| kyak | do you like it? :) | 06:57 |
| wolfspraul | ok if you like that second confirmation, so be it | 06:57 |
| wolfspraul | I think the tweet command itself is enough | 06:58 |
| kyak | this is the first confirmation, why the second?? | 06:58 |
| wolfspraul | that is a confirmation as well, or if there really is a network failure one can track down and double-check in twitter itself | 06:58 |
| wolfspraul | but you know this stuff better, maybe you are right and many others would feel like you | 07:00 |
| wolfspraul | leave it so that you think it's good | 07:00 |
| kyak | ok.. let's see how mentions work | 07:16 |
| xiangfu | is the kernel.org build kernel for nanonote(jz4740) ? | 07:28 |
| xiangfu | how can we make that happen. | 07:35 |
| kyak | i think it has the nanonote_config | 07:36 |
| Action: xiangfu try to compile xburst-tools under ben nanonote. try to fix : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=613610 | 08:56 | |
| wolfspraul | xiangfu: cool! :-) | 09:08 |
| dvdk | xiangfu: about debiang bug 613610: I have a loongson MIPS server running 24/7 here, installed with debian squeeze. if you need login access, just mail me your public ssh key. | 09:54 |
| xiangfu | dvdk, great. | 09:55 |
| dvdk | it's on dyndns, ip-address changing once per day, but as long as you login w/ 'screen' that shouldn't be a problem | 09:56 |
| xiangfu | dvdk, let's see how debian under nanonote works. :) if not works well , I will try to do that in your MIPS server. :) | 10:08 |
| kyak | dvdk: cool, where did you get the machine? | 10:48 |
| dvdk | kyak: it's a fuloong 6004 bought from hackable devices | 10:54 |
| dvdk | (fuloong 6014?) | 10:54 |
| dvdk | see here http://mosquito.dyndns.tv/opentrac/free | 10:54 |
| kyak | very nice :) but there is only one Ethernet port? | 10:57 |
| dvdk | kyak: that's not a problem. extensively using vlans | 10:57 |
| dvdk | (one vlan fed from a openwrt router, directly bridging the wlan into it) | 10:58 |
| kyak | http://hackable-devices.org/shop/product/lemote-fuloong-mini-pc-fl6004 | 10:59 |
| kyak | did you disassemble it? | 10:59 |
| dvdk | only to mak ethe fotos/check the cooler and add a larger hard-disk. | 11:00 |
| dvdk | it's assembled now, serving the web-page you saw | 11:00 |
| kyak | http://www.shuttle.eu/index.php?id=152&L=0 | 11:01 |
| kyak | and this is my server :) | 11:01 |
| kyak | slightly less cool | 11:01 |
| dvdk | not bad. does it sit on the public internet? | 11:02 |
| kyak | though much more powerful | 11:02 |
| kyak | yes, it's on the internet; but not so public | 11:02 |
| dvdk | :) | 11:02 |
| kyak | i'm talking now from this server | 11:03 |
| kyak | it mostly serves my screen session :) | 11:03 |
| dvdk | BTW, my emacs, running the irc-chat, is also running on my fuloong box (ssh -X) | 11:04 |
| kyak | what are other distros supporting mips besides debian? i think it's arch, gentoo..? | 11:05 |
| dvdk | nixos? | 11:05 |
| dvdk | openwrt? | 11:05 |
| dvdk | but debian is all one needs, no? | 11:05 |
| dvdk | :) | 11:05 |
| kyak | i was talking about fully-fledged distros, of course :) | 11:06 |
| kyak | i've migrated to arch linux on my desktop | 11:07 |
| kyak | from mandriva/mageia | 11:07 |
| kyak | due to their rolling releases | 11:07 |
| dvdk | my desktop is ubuntu, but latest release is pretty broken. thinking about migrating back to debian (testing is also quasi rolling release) | 11:07 |
| kyak | i have a dream of never reinstalling OS on my PC again :) | 11:07 |
| dvdk | :) | 11:08 |
| kyak | arch has also got testing, but i'm not so brave as to try it | 11:08 |
| kyak | it's bleeding edge enough | 11:08 |
| wpwrak | wolfspraul: by the way, for the quarterly news, if it risks getting just too large, maybe make several volumes and post them 2-3 days apart ? | 11:11 |
| wolfspraul | yes | 11:12 |
| wolfspraul | arch seems nice, how about Fedora? I'm thinking about trying Fedora again (was a RedHat user back when it was 6.x) | 11:14 |
| wpwrak | (tweet creation) in fact, if it truncates, it should probably not create the tweet, but rather wait for a new command that already includes the trimming | 11:18 |
| wolfspraul | yes I agree. in fact that's a real use-case for feedback, an error message. | 11:20 |
| wolfspraul | it should not auto-truncate, it should reject saying how long the maximum is | 11:20 |
| kyak | let me see if there is such a setting | 11:22 |
| kyak | btw, you can explicitely split the message by inserting \n (literally) | 11:23 |
| wpwrak | wolfspraul: not only say how long but show where. else, you get ten attempts trying to figure out where exactly this limit ends up :) | 11:26 |
| wpwrak | wysiwyg is good in this case :) | 11:27 |
| kyak | there is a "splitlong" script for irssi :) | 11:28 |
| kyak | it can split input messages in strings of arbitrary length and combine them with defined symbols | 11:28 |
| wpwrak | kyak: you mean specifically for the irc-twitter-relay ? | 11:42 |
| kyak | no, it does it globally :) | 11:44 |
| kyak | ok, so i can send the "String is too long to post" | 11:44 |
| kyak | is it sufficient? | 11:44 |
| kyak | i can show where the limit ends up | 11:45 |
| wpwrak | canit indicate where it would have to be cut ? like the >|< ? | 11:45 |
| kyak | but it means posting the string to the channel again :) | 11:45 |
| wpwrak | just make it a single message. or send it directly to the originator :) | 11:48 |
| wpwrak | but better keep the response in the channel. that way, others can understand when someone keeps on re-posting a message | 11:54 |
| kristianpaul | xiangfu: afaik i have mipsel machine... but still interested i get xburst tools to run on it, what and how i should compile? | 11:59 |
| kristianpaul | ah yes fuloong is cool too :-) | 12:01 |
| xiangfu | kristianpaul, apply this patch to xburst-tools. and compile as usual. | 12:03 |
| xiangfu | kristianpaul, or just apt-get -b source xburst-tools | 12:03 |
| kristianpaul | for the record this is my server http://pcengines.ch/alix3d3.htm and you also can listen a stream live sound from my city here http://locus.creacast.com:9001/buga_valle.ogg | 12:04 |
| xiangfu | kristianpaul, there is a dog. :) | 12:09 |
| xiangfu | kristianpaul, two dogs. :) | 12:10 |
| wolfspraul | I think no problem in showing the text a second time - this is an error case | 12:12 |
| kyak | how does it look? | 12:13 |
| xiangfu | kyak, great. | 12:15 |
| jason_ | hey guys | 13:07 |
| xiangfu | debuild needs real15m12.473s under nanonote. | 13:08 |
| wpwrak | kyak: so where exactly would you split ? :) after "whatev" ? | 13:10 |
| wolfspraul | jason_: hi | 13:11 |
| jason_ | hello | 13:15 |
| xiangfu | kristianpaul, http://downloads.openmobilefree.net/NanoNote/xburst-tools/mipsel/ | 13:20 |
| xiangfu | !twtte compile xburst-tools under nanonote: http://downloads.openmobilefree.net/NanoNote/xburst-tools/mipsel/ | 13:20 |
| jason_ | I think the new jz4755 kernel from dingoo will be out soon | 13:21 |
| jason_ | http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2011/11/gamegadget-new-open-source-linux-based.html | 13:22 |
| xiangfu | kristianpaul, check out http://downloads.openmobilefree.net/NanoNote/xburst-tools/mipsel/. you can try in your mipsel machine. :) | 13:23 |
| wolfspraul | xiangfu: I keep thinking what we can do with the 1.5 gb data partition on the Ben | 13:27 |
| xiangfu | most people here don't want that. | 13:28 |
| wolfspraul | on one side the 512 mb is pretty full and there are probably other neat things we could bundle | 13:28 |
| wolfspraul | don't want what? | 13:28 |
| wolfspraul | last time we changed the partition from 256mb to 512mb it took us a year or so until we had the last cases of people running into problems :-) | 13:28 |
| wolfspraul | our boot time got significantly faster, maybe good to have the remaining 1.5gb on/mounted by default | 13:29 |
| xiangfu | just ignore my message. (mis understand) | 13:29 |
| jason_ | wolfspraul, ive been spending my days at what you would call a sweatshop, except its november | 13:29 |
| wolfspraul | and even if we plan to do some backup or encrypted or usb-mass-storage stuff, maybe all of this will be handled best with a loop-mounted file on the underlying ubifs? | 13:30 |
| wolfspraul | so a lot of things to consider | 13:30 |
| wolfspraul | but somehow I feel we should address this otherwise by default we only use 25% of the local storage capacity on the Ben | 13:31 |
| wolfspraul | but what's the best way - not sure | 13:31 |
| wolfspraul | how long does ubifs mounting of the remaining 1.5gb take now? | 13:31 |
| xiangfu | wolfspraul, openwrt will do that background. will not change boot time. | 13:32 |
| xiangfu | wolfspraul, let me check the mounting time now. | 13:32 |
| wolfspraul | what we need to consider is better support for full backups, for encryption, for updating from and on the device (as opposed to reflashing) | 13:33 |
| wolfspraul | I want some way to very easily backup my entire Ben, and restore when needed | 13:33 |
| wolfspraul | also I want an easy way to encrypt it, whatever the details are exactly needs to be determined, but that whole thing should be encrypted... :-) | 13:34 |
| wolfspraul | finally we should update from the device | 13:34 |
| wolfspraul | I need to think about it more I guess. somehow those 1.5gb bug me :-) | 13:35 |
| xiangfu | time mtd.nn mount data /data : real 0m 1.80s | 13:36 |
| wolfspraul | wow | 13:37 |
| wolfspraul | well | 13:37 |
| wolfspraul | I don't know exactly what I want or what we should do, it just keeps bugging me | 13:37 |
| wolfspraul | the rough goals I think are: easy backup, easy encryption, easy update (from the device), easy access to full 2gb | 13:38 |
| wolfspraul | maybe we can go there step by step | 13:38 |
| wolfspraul | yes, I think we should not break usability for our existing users first. not another experience like the 256->512 switch. | 13:39 |
| jason_ | wolfspraul, would you like to see the copy left obamagotchi? | 13:50 |
| wolfspraul | thanks for asking :-) | 13:53 |
| jason_ | http://youtu.be/Uw1gnhkGH9Q | 13:55 |
| kyak | wpwrak: you can refine the message, if you wish | 14:20 |
| kyak | wpwrak: but they say, "Enough is as good as a feast" :) | 14:21 |
| wpwrak | kyak: what i mean is that it's not obvious where the boundary is. e.g., does the ...text... mean that the boundary is somewhere inside the "text" ? i.e., i first thought it was the ">" until i realized it was part of the original message | 14:24 |
| wpwrak | kyak: it's not uncommon for systems that indicate a position in a text to show text before and after that text. so if you use ...text..., it can easily be interpreted as ...beforeafter... | 14:26 |
| wpwrak | kyak: in fact, i'm not entirely sure yet what is the intended interpretation ;-) | 14:26 |
| wpwrak | kyak: also, what does "somewhere after" mean ? how many characters after this do i have ? i would think the limit is "somewhere before" (<) or "not after this" (<=) | 14:28 |
| kyak | duh, just make your suggestion! | 14:30 |
| wpwrak | maybe "this would be the limit: ...text|" ? | 14:33 |
| kyak | sure, why not | 14:38 |
| kyak | wpwrak: is it good? :) | 14:41 |
| wpwrak | excellent, thanks ! | 14:43 |
| kyak | i'm glad everybody is satisfied (i hope) :) | 14:44 |
| wolfspraul | :-) | 14:47 |
| wolfspraul | kyak: THANK YOU for helping the twitter challenged... | 14:48 |
| kyak | wolfspraul: i have a feeling this is not the end :) but it's ok till we get it polished | 14:51 |
| wolfspraul | kyak: do you have any thoughts on the Ben software features I mentioned earlier: backup, encryption, update | 15:03 |
| wolfspraul | which one is most important to you? (if any) | 15:03 |
| wolfspraul | and how do you solve it right now? | 15:03 |
| wolfspraul | they all seem to be intertwined to me | 15:04 |
| wolfspraul | I want my Ben to be fully backed up, fully encrypted, and always up-to-date :-) but how? | 15:04 |
| wolfspraul | any thoughts would be very appreciated (no rush, getting this right will require some time) | 15:04 |
| wolfspraul | also I want to do this in the most natural way possible, no big Ben-specific system that will just become a maintenance headache | 15:05 |
| wolfspraul | maybe I start looking for some backup/encryption tools first, the only thing I know is rsync... | 15:06 |
| kyak | i don't store anything important on Ben, so making a backup is not so important.. Though it should be very hard to set up with rsync | 15:06 |
| kyak | *shouldn't | 15:07 |
| wolfspraul | he yes, me neither [store anything important] | 15:07 |
| wolfspraul | if I have anything only on the Ben, I copy it to my notebook at the end of the day | 15:07 |
| kyak | and so i don't need encryption, too :) | 15:07 |
| wolfspraul | that's as much as I trust my Ben :-) | 15:07 |
| kyak | :) | 15:07 |
| wolfspraul | but I think we can do much better, we just need a strong and easily usable backup and encryption solution | 15:07 |
| wolfspraul | now that the fundamentals are mostly in place and slowly continue to improve, I think about that more and more | 15:08 |
| kyak | yea, probably all the necessary tools are there | 15:09 |
| kyak | just need to setup some scripts/hooks | 15:09 |
| kyak | i believe those or also available somewhere | 15:09 |
| wolfspraul | I will dig around for existing backup/encryption tools, maybe there is some good stuff | 15:10 |
| wolfspraul | kyak: two questions if you don't mind. how do you update your Ben? and do you use the 1.5gb partition? | 15:25 |
| antoniodariush | hi guys | 15:39 |
| antoniodariush | wpwrak, i see now the software to run atben are inside the toolchain | 15:40 |
| antoniodariush | and the compilation went fine! | 15:40 |
| ps2chiper | im back | 15:42 |
| antoniodariush | wpwrak, so do we still need zigbee? | 15:43 |
| wpwrak | antoniodariush: i haven't tried the latest release yet, but for the basics, it may be fine. the code has been untouch^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hstable for a good while | 15:50 |
| wpwrak | meanwhile, some improvements have been posted to linux-zigbee. so it may make sense to update from there. | 15:51 |
| antoniodariush | wpwrak, so basically it's the same procedure we used to do but without the hassle of build the kernel and cross compile the library and software? | 16:12 |
| antoniodariush | my previous nickname was `antonio`, i'm the one who made the video with lots of nanonote connected with atbens :) | 16:14 |
| wpwrak | (same procedure) yes, that's what i think xiangfu has done. not sure if anyone has tested it yet, though. maybe he did and it worked so perfectly that he didn't even mention it :) | 16:15 |
| wpwrak | yeah, the wireless mystery network :) | 16:15 |
| wolfspraul | antoniodariush: which video? | 16:16 |
| wolfspraul | is it freely licensed and do you have a download link? | 16:16 |
| antoniodariush | wpwrak, ok, at least the kernel and some software are already in the toolchain | 16:19 |
| antoniodariush | wolfspraul, http://vimeo.com/27924004 | 16:19 |
| antoniodariush | yes and you can download it from the wiki http://theclashingrocks.org/wiki/doku.php?id=tcr:pics_video | 16:21 |
| antoniodariush | we posted here few months ago | 16:21 |
| wolfspraul | wow I completely missed this | 16:26 |
| wolfspraul | I only get a "flash required" warning for the video though | 16:26 |
| wolfspraul | even though I have flash installed | 16:26 |
| wolfspraul | do you have a url to the video file? | 16:27 |
| antoniodariush | should be on the server let me check | 16:30 |
| wolfspraul | I only get that error but nothing to click on, so I cannot find the video file right now | 16:31 |
| kyak | wolfspraul: i update my Ben via reflash_ben.sh. It doesn't affect my data partition. Then i have this script that sets up Ben for me (like: hostname, date, timezone, mount data partition). Every time i change anything in Ben that is going to be overwritten by upgrade, i change the script. It's not too hard, and saves a lot of time after reflash | 16:36 |
| wolfspraul | antoniodariush: ah ok it points to vimeo.com, which I currently cannot access | 16:36 |
| wolfspraul | if you have a download link for a .mp4 or so that would be great, otherwise I check vimeo tomorrow | 16:37 |
| wolfspraul | kyak: he, ok. roughly like I do, only more automated. | 16:37 |
| antoniodariush | wolfspraul, i'm checking on the server just a sec | 16:38 |
| antoniodariush | wolfspraul, here www.theclashingrocks.org/video/ben_wpan.ogv | 16:41 |
| wolfspraul | nice | 16:41 |
| wolfspraul | will watch - thanks! | 16:41 |
| wolfspraul | I completely missed that video somehow... | 16:41 |
| antoniodariush | I hope you like the project | 16:43 |
| wolfspraul | will read more about it | 16:43 |
| antoniodariush | :) | 16:44 |
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