| kristianpaul | yup | 01:29 |
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| kristianpaul | confirmed, next week i'll be in pasto giving a talk about copyleft hw http://ur1.ca/5jupb | 01:34 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: Jon and I are in deep reflection mode about the need and value of 'copyleft' | 01:35 |
| wolfspraul | Jon is planning a major push towards his new sharing license/agreement, which is essentially public domain | 01:35 |
| wolfspraul | like cc0 | 01:36 |
| kristianpaul | cool | 01:36 |
| wolfspraul | well, we kept saying qi hardware = copyleft hardware for over 2 years, kinda annoying people along the way :-) | 01:36 |
| wolfspraul | so I don't know, let's see | 01:36 |
| kristianpaul | so copyleft is a practice not a lincese | 01:36 |
| wolfspraul | but Jon is moving forward with his sharism stuff | 01:36 |
| wolfspraul | hah | 01:36 |
| wolfspraul | good point! | 01:36 |
| kristianpaul | yeah, sharim, i still hard to get in to but yeah ;) | 01:36 |
| wolfspraul | yes, copyleft is about fairness. you ask me something, I reply nicely. | 01:37 |
| kristianpaul | sharism* | 01:37 |
| kristianpaul | good feeling anyway :) | 01:37 |
| wolfspraul | oh no worries, we will exactly not go on another sharism crusade | 01:37 |
| kristianpaul | he | 01:37 |
| wolfspraul | but maybe public domain is the more natural concept, and copyleft is the practice, like you say | 01:37 |
| wolfspraul | of course - it's an *honor* to give back | 01:37 |
| wolfspraul | if someone really thinks they have to hide something, gee. sorry, can't help them I guess. | 01:38 |
| wolfspraul | if I'm asked something, I reply. everything, even the secret 'bom', and the secret supply chain, and the oh-so-secret design files, process, bla bla bla | 01:38 |
| wolfspraul | we are in the Internet age, right? :-) | 01:38 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: what's the next product you believe we could add to our lineup? | 01:48 |
| wolfspraul | not that I want to start anything new, but somehow I think about direction once in a while | 01:49 |
| qi-bot | The build was successfull, see images here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-10282011-2100/ | 01:49 |
| wolfspraul | we have a pocket computer, and a visual computer that can hopefully emerge into a more powerful general purpose computer | 01:49 |
| wolfspraul | what's next? there are so many options :-) | 01:49 |
| kristianpaul | networks .. | 01:49 |
| wolfspraul | I still like camera a lot, also laser projector, Jon talked me into speakers, another friend talked me into LED lamps | 01:50 |
| wolfspraul | networks? | 01:50 |
| wolfspraul | like what? more connected devices? | 01:50 |
| kristianpaul | sure i need be more specific | 01:50 |
| wolfspraul | I think we introduce that with the next NanoNote, that's the pocket computer | 01:50 |
| wolfspraul | I was thinking about product category | 01:50 |
| kristianpaul | like wpan bu better ;) | 01:50 |
| wolfspraul | oh sure | 01:50 |
| wolfspraul | but I think it's clear how to improve the NanoNote | 01:51 |
| wolfspraul | higher res screen, more connectivity, more memory, case that is better suited to low-volume production | 01:51 |
| wolfspraul | I was thinking about new devices/products | 01:51 |
| wolfspraul | hey we should integrate GPS into the next NanoNote :-) | 01:52 |
| kristianpaul | sure :) | 01:52 |
| kristianpaul | about network i would said routers but... the wifi-part of course well.. | 01:53 |
| wolfspraul | what features does your router have? | 01:53 |
| wolfspraul | you mean a router for your home? | 01:53 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 01:53 |
| wolfspraul | one idea I had about routers was to challenge the typical client-server idea there | 01:53 |
| wolfspraul | the little home router talking to the big telco switch | 01:54 |
| wolfspraul | maybe we can make a router that can be more naturally geared towards a p2p network over the same wires | 01:54 |
| kristianpaul | also that can still dial on a line line for p2p? | 01:54 |
| wolfspraul | I don't know the details, just imagining | 01:55 |
| kristianpaul | sure | 01:55 |
| wolfspraul | many people have tried to enter the router business, but they all fail on the economics | 01:55 |
| wolfspraul | so I had this idea | 01:55 |
| wolfspraul | imagine you create a new city in inner mongolia somewhere | 01:55 |
| wolfspraul | ok, wait. let's move it to democratic 'real' mongolia first | 01:56 |
| wolfspraul | :-) | 01:56 |
| kristianpaul | ;-) | 01:56 |
| wolfspraul | so, a new city in Mongolia | 01:56 |
| wolfspraul | you run some wires between houses | 01:56 |
| wolfspraul | how do you network? | 01:56 |
| wolfspraul | is RF always superior? I think wires have some very unique networking properties, in terms of speed/immunity from noise etc. | 01:57 |
| wolfspraul | so let's say we run some wires in that new city | 01:57 |
| wolfspraul | then we need routers/switches | 01:57 |
| wolfspraul | what's on the other side of the typical 20 USD wifi router/dsl/cable/fiber modem? | 01:58 |
| wolfspraul | I don't know | 01:58 |
| wolfspraul | thinking not leading anywhere :-) | 01:58 |
| kristianpaul | other side should be more big and power hungry i guess | 02:01 |
| kristianpaul | at least that was my experiencied when met the local central telephony | 02:03 |
| kristianpaul | but instead, when you have a network switch well all looks more simple | 02:03 |
| kristianpaul | of course you just said, problem is economics .. | 02:04 |
| kristianpaul | cameras intesting too indeed | 02:06 |
| kristianpaul | what about energy? i dont from where but just thinking | 02:08 |
| wolfspraul | sure | 02:08 |
| wolfspraul | solar? | 02:08 |
| wolfspraul | but what product is that exactly? | 02:08 |
| kristianpaul | power generator | 02:09 |
| wolfspraul | how? | 02:09 |
| kristianpaul | from heat perhaps.. different ait presures.. jsut guessing actually :) | 02:09 |
| kristianpaul | DocScrutinizer, pointed a werable watch the other day | 02:15 |
| kristianpaul | watch clock* | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm? | 02:16 |
| kristianpaul | wearable** | 02:20 |
| kristianpaul | roh: you like this for a bike https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Ultrasound#Ultrasonic_range_finding ? | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is kinda interesting and feels like sparking ideas: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Nonlinear_Acoustics | 02:37 |
| wolfspraul | wpwrak (or anybody): just as an idea, what do you think about making qi-hw.com the main domain and qi-hardware.com just redirecting to qi-hw ? | 03:26 |
| wolfspraul | I don't plan to make any disruptive changes now, if anything it would be slow and to make sure old links keep working. | 03:27 |
| wolfspraul | but is the idea any good? should we redirect things over to qi-hw.com ? | 03:27 |
| wolfspraul | instead of redirecting some things from qi-hw.com to the full qi-hardware.com ... | 03:27 |
| wolfspraul | (which is what we have right now, and Werner suggested to add more redirections) | 03:27 |
| wolfspraul | wpwrak: btw, I think you said somewhere in the backlog that we didn't even announce the M1 lauch on our list/announce/etc | 03:33 |
| wolfspraul | that's not true, we did | 03:33 |
| wolfspraul | http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/announce/2011-September/000008.html | 03:33 |
| wolfspraul | (really badly formatted, but just to proove the announcement) | 03:34 |
| wolfspraul | the problem was - nobody cared :-) | 03:34 |
| wolfspraul | and the reason for that, I think, is because the story is just not attractive or understandable enough. So we need to polish that a little, and then go at it again. | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, add more links? I thought this is handled by a record in DNS | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, actually not - "5?? permanently moved" | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | think there's a apache plugin for that, to redirect http://A.tld/$1 to http://B.tld/$1 | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ct.de obviously won't create a hardcoded link to www.heise.de/ct for each if the several 100 subpages per day | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/ if/ of/ | 03:59 |
| wolfspraul | sure redirects all understood and easy | 04:07 |
| wolfspraul | temporary permanent regex etc. | 04:07 |
| wolfspraul | but the question is what the direction of the redirect should be. from qi-hw.com to qi-hardware.com, or the other way round | 04:07 |
| wolfspraul | personally I start to believe we should move the central domain over to qi-hw.com, and redirect from the longer qi-hardware.com to it | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't think I can contribute any opinion on that. Just noticed ct.de redirects to www.heise.de/ct | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | if there's a rationale behind it, I missed it yet | 04:25 |
| wolfspraul | shorter | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | www.heise.de/ct is *not* shorter | 10:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what I meant | 10:32 |
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