#qi-hardware IRC log for Sunday, 2011-10-30

kristianpaulconfirmed, next week i'll be in pasto giving a talk about copyleft hw http://ur1.ca/5jupb01:34
wolfspraulkristianpaul: Jon and I are in deep reflection mode about the need and value of 'copyleft'01:35
wolfspraulJon is planning a major push towards his new sharing license/agreement, which is essentially public domain01:35
wolfspraullike cc001:36
wolfspraulwell, we kept saying qi hardware = copyleft hardware for over 2 years, kinda annoying people along the way :-)01:36
wolfspraulso I don't know, let's see01:36
kristianpaulso copyleft is a practice not a lincese01:36
wolfspraulbut Jon is moving forward with his sharism stuff01:36
wolfspraulgood point!01:36
kristianpaulyeah, sharim, i still hard to get in to but yeah ;)01:36
wolfspraulyes, copyleft is about fairness. you ask me something, I reply nicely.01:37
kristianpaulgood feeling anyway :)01:37
wolfsprauloh no worries, we will exactly not go on another sharism crusade01:37
wolfspraulbut maybe public domain is the more natural concept, and copyleft is the practice, like you say01:37
wolfspraulof course - it's an *honor* to give back01:37
wolfspraulif someone really thinks they have to hide something, gee. sorry, can't help them I guess.01:38
wolfspraulif I'm asked something, I reply. everything, even the secret 'bom', and the secret supply chain, and the oh-so-secret design files, process, bla bla bla01:38
wolfspraulwe are in the Internet age, right? :-)01:38
wolfspraulkristianpaul: what's the next product you believe we could add to our lineup?01:48
wolfspraulnot that I want to start anything new, but somehow I think about direction once in a while01:49
qi-botThe build was successfull, see images here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-10282011-2100/01:49
wolfspraulwe have a pocket computer, and a visual computer that can hopefully emerge into a more powerful general purpose computer01:49
wolfspraulwhat's next? there are so many options :-)01:49
kristianpaulnetworks ..01:49
wolfspraulI still like camera a lot, also laser projector, Jon talked me into speakers, another friend talked me into LED lamps01:50
wolfspraullike what? more connected devices?01:50
kristianpaulsure i need be more specific01:50
wolfspraulI think we introduce that with the next NanoNote, that's the pocket computer01:50
wolfspraulI was thinking about product category01:50
kristianpaullike wpan bu better ;)01:50
wolfsprauloh sure01:50
wolfspraulbut I think it's clear how to improve the NanoNote01:51
wolfspraulhigher res screen, more connectivity, more memory, case that is better suited to low-volume production01:51
wolfspraulI was thinking about new devices/products01:51
wolfspraulhey we should integrate GPS into the next NanoNote :-)01:52
kristianpaulsure :)01:52
kristianpaulabout network i would said routers but... the wifi-part of course well..01:53
wolfspraulwhat features does your router have?01:53
wolfspraulyou mean a router for your home?01:53
wolfspraulone idea I had about routers was to challenge the typical client-server idea there01:53
wolfspraulthe little home router talking to the big telco switch01:54
wolfspraulmaybe we can make a router that can be more naturally geared towards a p2p network over the same wires01:54
kristianpaulalso that can still dial on a line line for p2p?01:54
wolfspraulI don't know the details, just imagining01:55
wolfspraulmany people have tried to enter the router business, but they all fail on the economics01:55
wolfspraulso I had this idea01:55
wolfspraulimagine you create a new city in inner mongolia somewhere01:55
wolfspraulok, wait. let's move it to democratic 'real' mongolia first01:56
wolfspraulso, a new city in Mongolia01:56
wolfspraulyou run some wires between houses01:56
wolfspraulhow do you network?01:56
wolfspraulis RF always superior? I think wires have some very unique networking properties, in terms of speed/immunity from noise etc.01:57
wolfspraulso let's say we run some wires in that new city01:57
wolfspraulthen we need routers/switches01:57
wolfspraulwhat's on the other side of the typical 20 USD wifi router/dsl/cable/fiber modem?01:58
wolfspraulI don't know01:58
wolfspraulthinking not leading anywhere :-)01:58
kristianpaulother side should be more big and power hungry i guess02:01
kristianpaulat least that was my experiencied when met the local central telephony02:03
kristianpaulbut instead, when you have a network switch well all looks more simple02:03
kristianpaulof course you just said, problem is economics ..02:04
kristianpaulcameras intesting too indeed02:06
kristianpaulwhat about energy? i dont from where but just thinking02:08
wolfspraulbut what product is that exactly?02:08
kristianpaulpower generator02:09
kristianpaulfrom heat perhaps.. different ait presures.. jsut guessing actually :)02:09
kristianpaulDocScrutinizer, pointed a werable watch the other day02:15
kristianpaulwatch clock*02:16
kristianpaulroh: you like this for a bike https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Ultrasound#Ultrasonic_range_finding ?02:26
DocScrutinizerthis is kinda interesting and feels like sparking ideas: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Nonlinear_Acoustics02:37
wolfspraulwpwrak (or anybody): just as an idea, what do you think about making qi-hw.com the main domain and qi-hardware.com just redirecting to qi-hw ?03:26
wolfspraulI don't plan to make any disruptive changes now, if anything it would be slow and to make sure old links keep working.03:27
wolfspraulbut is the idea any good? should we redirect things over to qi-hw.com ?03:27
wolfspraulinstead of redirecting some things from qi-hw.com to the full qi-hardware.com ...03:27
wolfspraul(which is what we have right now, and Werner suggested to add more redirections)03:27
wolfspraulwpwrak: btw, I think you said somewhere in the backlog that we didn't even announce the M1 lauch on our list/announce/etc03:33
wolfspraulthat's not true, we did03:33
wolfspraul(really badly formatted, but just to proove the announcement)03:34
wolfspraulthe problem was - nobody cared :-)03:34
wolfsprauland the reason for that, I think, is because the story is just not attractive or understandable enough. So we need to polish that a little, and then go at it again.03:35
DocScrutinizererr, add more links? I thought this is handled by a record in DNS03:52
DocScrutinizerooh, actually not - "5?? permanently moved"03:55
DocScrutinizerthink there's a apache plugin for that, to redirect http://A.tld/$1 to http://B.tld/$103:56
DocScrutinizerct.de obviously won't create a hardcoded link to www.heise.de/ct for each if the several 100 subpages per day03:59
DocScrutinizers/ if/ of/03:59
wolfspraulsure redirects all understood and easy04:07
wolfspraultemporary permanent regex etc.04:07
wolfspraulbut the question is what the direction of the redirect should be. from qi-hw.com to qi-hardware.com, or the other way round04:07
wolfspraulpersonally I start to believe we should move the central domain over to qi-hw.com, and redirect from the longer qi-hardware.com to it04:08
DocScrutinizerI don't think I can contribute any opinion on that. Just noticed ct.de redirects to www.heise.de/ct04:24
DocScrutinizerif there's a rationale behind it, I missed it yet04:25
DocScrutinizer2www.heise.de/ct is *not* shorter10:31
DocScrutinizerthat's what I meant 10:32
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