#qi-hardware IRC log for Monday, 2011-08-29

wolfspraulwpwrak: you there? I am trying to understand your requirements about putting web sites into git01:51
wolfspraulso basically you want to commit all pages (body only), then they should be statically accessible through the browser?01:53
DingooDigitalUSA get news out carrying JXD products now @ www.dingoo-digital-usa.com04:42
wolfspraulhe wisely left quick before we could remind him to not spam the channel :-)04:45
wolfspraulon the other hand if he is so desperate that he needs to spam the ca. 45 people in a copyleft hw project, then maybe we should be generous.04:46
wpwrakwolfspraul: (web pages) yes04:46
wolfspraulright now you check them out and then manually copy to downloads?04:46
wpwrakyup. or, rather, copy them and check them in :)04:47
wolfsprauldon't understand. you commit to projects?04:47
wolfspraulbut then copy to downloads because projects doesn't provide the right view?04:47
wpwrakso i use projects for revision control and downloads for people to view things04:48
wolfspraulok got it04:49
xiangfuthere is some update in projects.qi-hardware.com04:50
xiangfuI can not run 'git push' today. :(04:50
xiangfuit give me:04:50
wolfspraulfor which project?04:50
xiangfugit push origin release_2011-08-27:release_2011-08-2704:50
xiangfuPermission denied (publickey).04:50
xiangfufatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly04:50
xiangfuboth openwrt-xburst and openwrt-packages04:50
wolfspraullemme see whether I can just downgrade the whole thing :-)04:50
xiangfuI try to push the new release branchs to both of them.04:50
xiangfuI have tried re-add the public key in 'http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/preferences/' not working. 04:51
wpwrakindefero seems to be a bit more like inferno this time ..04:51
wolfsprauljust wait04:52
wolfspraulI will downgrade04:52
wolfspraulIndefero looks a little dead-end too04:52
wpwrakin what sense ?04:55
wolfspraulpretty drastic downgrade05:00
wolfspraulxiangfu: let's see what works now...05:00
wolfspraulthe problems with qi-kernel are gone already :-)05:00
rohyou can roll back the db? or was there no change?05:00
wolfspraulI said drastic05:01
wolfspraulI didn't even bother to try whether the older Indefero could work with the db changes the newer version did (there were a few when running the upgrade script)05:01
xiangfuwolfspraul, will do that after lunch.05:03
wolfspraulroh: so I just restored the database I dumped before the upgrade05:15
wolfspraultogether with the old installation dirs05:15
wolfspraulmeaning that database changes since yesterday are lost (like new accout creations or such, I cannot imagine much)05:16
wolfspraulplus uploaded files or attachments or issues05:16
wolfspraulbut all just since yesterday, I doubt there is anything05:16
wolfspraula first check in the browser seems to suggest it's back to working :-)05:16
wolfspraulwpwrak: with indefero, it seems mostly a 1-person thing. he first built his own framework (pluf) for 2-3 years05:17
wolfspraulthen indefero on top, which this hosting company ceondo.com is using commercially05:17
wolfspraulnow... github and others are controlling this market05:18
wolfspraulnot many updates to indefero at all in 201105:18
wolfspraulJon reminded me of the importance of an issue tracker05:23
wolfspraulbut the one in Indefero is not used much, and the most successful one seems to be RT05:23
wolfspraulincluding command line tools, how about that :-)05:24
wolfspraulso maybe over time we just get rid of Indefero. we can organize write access to repositories with a few simple scripts05:24
wolfspraulissue tracker becomes RT05:24
wolfsprauland the web interface to repositories should be such that you don't need to checkout repositories for web publishing05:24
wolfspraulwe solve a bunch of problems and remove a 1-person software on an unstable foundation05:25
wpwrakthen the final step would be to also connect the wiki to git, and the world would be perfect :)05:27
xiangfuwolfspraul, works fine. 'git push' without any problem.05:38
wolfspraulthere you go05:43
wolfsprauldowngrade to upgrade05:43
wolfspraulxiangfu: very nice release email you wrote!05:44
qi-bot[commit] jow: [package] hostapd: introduce options to configure the logging behaviour. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/4f0278e05:46
qi-bot[commit] jow: [package] mac80211: configure hostapd logging options (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/311896405:46
qi-bot[commit] Mirko Vogt: add <http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/mirror-openwrt-sources/> (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/d61c52c05:46
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b7816ca05:46
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: [xburst] Improve mounttime (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/77ddb3505:46
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote optimize (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/a27a35d05:46
qi-bot[commit] kyak: add kernel patch for setfont2 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/944549205:46
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/27d6c3205:46
qi-bot[commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable battery, disable RNDIS (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/276017c05:46
qi-bot[commit] kyak: patches-2.6.37: support for Ben NAND partitioning (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ae3652d05:46
qi-bot[commit] David Kühling: linux kernel: add CONFIG_PROC_PAGE_MONITOR=y to allow for clean user-space DMA (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/066831c05:46
qi-bot[commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable options needed for keymouse (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/be69c6a05:46
qi-bot[commit] kyak: trunk: fix kernel keymap for VolUp/Down and Del (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/1b21e3a05:46
qi-bot[commit] kyak: trunk: build sound modules in kernel (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/bddbd5e05:46
qi-bot[commit] kyak: trunk: add ks7010 support patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/2cd7db605:46
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/86eeed005:46
qi-bot[commit] kyak: Disable syslogd and klogd (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/cce3e5705:46
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: update to 2010.06 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/0c582a105:46
qi-bot[commit] kyak: busybox: backport reverse history search patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/66ef7cd05:46
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: ben nanonote: forward patches to linux-3.1 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/2d22f1f05:46
xiangfurebase on last openwrt upstream05:47
xiangfuwolfspraul, :D05:49
DocScrutinizermhm >>*** Taking Pre-Orders for the second Batch of Dingoo-Tech A380 slated for release the June 25th, 2011. As per usual once I get them they will ship immediately to you**** << Wonder if I should ban this dingoo guy10:01
wolfspraulthat wasn't on this channel, was it?10:05
wolfspraulyou can easily ban him :-)10:06
DocScrutinizerit was10:06
wolfspraulstrange, not in the logs10:06
DocScrutinizer[2011-08-29 06:42:15] <DingooDigitalUSA>  get news out carrying JXD products now @ www.dingoo-digital-usa.com10:06
DocScrutinizer[2011-08-29 06:45:02] <wolfspraul> he wisely left quick before we could remind him to not spam the channel :-)10:06
wolfspraulyes but not the 'second batch of dontoo-tech a380' thing10:06
DocScrutinizerthat's from the linked site10:07
wolfspraulanyway it's crap and won't improve :-) I typically have to deal with "can you source 3 ddr3 sdram cheapo for me in china?" requests from him10:07
wolfspraul"yes, China is waiting for people like you, who want to source '3 cheap ddr sdram'". "rolling out the red carpet, one sec..." :-)10:08
DocScrutinizerI suggest teaching qi-bot to issue a /mode #qi-hardware -q <user> ~3 minutes after joining the channel10:12
DocScrutinizerso we could get a /mode #channel +q $~a ; to quiet all non-registered users for the first nn seconds after joining10:14
DocScrutinizerfreenode itself employs a similar scheme - though based around voicing users - on #defocus10:15
DocScrutinizerfor now...:10:28
wolfspraulsome policies, good10:31
DocScrutinizerif anybody else is by sad fate using real name sales, please /query docscrutinizer (or any other of the chanops listed in /msg chanserv access #qi-hardware list )10:37
DocScrutinizerwow, I guess this is the only irc channel founded by a bot :-D10:42
Action: kyak updates his "production" Ben to 2011-08-27 image and the "development" Ben is already asking for kernel 3.1 :)15:26
kristianpaulwolfspraul: look this shop not bad, http://shop.sysmocom.de/17:13
kristianpaulhum, usbboot should not overwrite logs..19:57
kristianpauli bricked my nanonote when trying to upgrade and now i dont get why..19:57
kristianpaulI just remenber a Error - can't read bulk data from Ingenic device:6419:58
kristianpauland me unpluging usb cable and battery19:58
kristianpaulphew, office clip save the day ;)20:12
kristianpauls/clip/paper clip20:12
lekernelanyone here knows how a helium-3 ring laser gyroscope works?21:28
lekernelapparently helium-3 is classified as a dual-use device because of this very application, and http://www.helium-3.com/ and a few other sources also mentions it, but I cannot find explanations on why helium-3 is useful for that21:29
kristianpaulask in #highaltitude21:33
Artyomhi kristianpaul21:37
kristianpaulArtyom: hi there21:41
ArtyomWhat is your success with namuru+osgps?21:41
kristianpaulevening ;)21:41
kristianpaulno yet..sorry, i was busy last two weekends21:42
kristianpaulalso my laptop power cord broke.. so i dont have laptop at work.. :(21:43
kristianpaulhow is yours?21:43
kristianpaulthis weekend i'll add the gnuplot support i hope21:44
kristianpauli'll move to rtems of course :-)21:44
ArtyomI had one week vacation... So no new from my side ;)21:44
kristianpaulhe :p21:46
kristianpaulBtw you finally implemented the PLL in software right?21:46
kristianpaulfor tracking i mean21:47
Artyomyes, in software everything works fine21:47
kristianpauloh i forgot !21:47
kristianpauli received some maxim samples21:47
kristianpauldid you finally sent the spare boards?21:48
Artyomacquisition and tracking work fine. Yes I've sent them about two weeks ago. I checked through the web the state of the sending. Last message that I've seen is that it was passed through customs to Colombia.21:50
kristianpauli can support whatevr you need for shiping and the boards if youc an receiver paypal or bitcoin :)21:50
kristianpauloh cool !21:50
kristianpaulthanks !21:50
kristianpaulif the aquisition on my side goes wrong i'll consider go back to SoftGNSS with octave21:52
kristianpauli tried ran osgps in the nanonote but seems 300Mhz are not enoguht..21:54
kristianpaulwhat hardware specs you had in mind it was a arm SoC i remenber? but how fast?21:54
kristianpaulalso i wonder if you are going to drop the Cypress chip too?21:55
ArtyomI use ARM7 (72 MHz). And as gpl-gps works with slower ARM I hope that everything will work.21:58
kristianpauli need to try gpl-later then :)21:58
kristianpaulah, but21:58
kristianpaulwith namuru21:58
kristianpaulamazing, my M1 board can run up to 90Mhz today so gpl-gps should be okay too :)21:59
ArtyomI plan to split design in two parts: analog board with max2769 and digital board with mcu+fpga+cypress+SDRAM.21:59
Artyomgpl-gps is based on osgps (but on old version)21:59
Artyomgpl-gps uses gp4021 - this is ARM7+gp2021-correlator22:00
kristianpauloh, thats a baseband procesor then22:01
kristianpaulthe gp402122:01
kristianpaulhum so gp4021 run its own firmware or need to be extenally loaded?22:02
ArtyomI don't know exact details...22:05
kristianpaulI want to dig more about it22:10
kristianpaulI imagine later adding a firmware to be run in the namuru core it self just for acquisition/tracking22:11
kristianpaulso the main cpu can focus on dealing with position22:11
kristianpaulbut thats for later :)22:11
kristianpaulArtyom: so you scilab code is the same from you blog?22:12
kristianpauli neverd downloaded it.. but i suposed was not for GPS22:12
kristianpaulmay be i should..22:14
ArtyomYou have good plans for future ;) scilab code on my blog is for GLONASS. It is based on Akos code. For example tracking is the same. Some modofications were made because GLONASS differes a little from GPS. And some modifications were made because scilab differes a little from matlab ;)22:16
kristianpaulArtyom: you should try the Akos por for octave :)22:17
Artyomok, I will try to study octave ;)22:18
kristianpaulno no22:18
kristianpauljust try22:18
kristianpaulis you format still compatible with akos/matlab code?22:19
kristianpauljust checkout and try https://github.com/kristianpaul/SoftGNSS22:19
rjeffrieswolfspraul in case you did not see this one: http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/08/28/ai-weiwei-on-beijing-s-nightmare-city.html22:20
Artyomwhat do you mean by "compatible format"?22:21
kristianpaulyes, sorry, i mean the way you are storing your I/Q data22:23
kristianpaullike 16 bit I/Q intervealed or such..22:23
Artyomif you mean file-format - then the answer is "yes".22:25
kristianpauli think is same used with SoftGNSS, but you can try :)22:25
Artyomit's time to sleep for me ;)22:27
Artyomgn ;)22:27
kristianpauljoin back by weekend for new :)22:28
kristianpaulrjeffries: r you offering wolfgang to move back to North America? ;)22:29
Aylarjeffries: very interesting read22:31
Aylathank you :)22:31
rjeffriesno, wolfpraul is to stay in China. it is the right thing to do. we need feet on the street. ;)22:44
wpwrak"They can’t even imagine that they’ll be able to buy a house." my, are we having lofty standards ? ;-) "And no one will even argue with you." of course not ! not to detract from his plight, but the rhetoric device of framing a condition in the context of a different culture and attacking it from that point of view doesn't get better with age :)23:11
larsci can imagine buying a house either, but i guess for different reasons23:12
wpwraklarsc: exactly. in some cultures owning a house is quite uncommon. and if you're in a big and rapidly expanding city, it should be even less common. i mean, if you owned some ground near the periphery, it would be surrounded by skyscrapers before too long, and rise dramatically in value. market forces alone would keep the prices inaccessible (well, unless your budget would allow you to put a skyscraper there as well)23:20
wpwrak(cultures/uncommon) or let's say uncommon for many people, dependent on living circumstances not necessarily related to wealth23:22
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