#qi-hardware IRC log for Tuesday, 2011-08-23

qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: add software volume control (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/281880702:03
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files add system volume control thanks EdorFaus (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/dab010a02:03
kristianpaulsht.. io error :-|02:23
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: config.full_system include new packages (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/efbdee002:55
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmu update release version for the volume button patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/488c05f03:04
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: supertux icon resize to 32x32 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/7426afb04:14
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmenu2x update (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/43ed54b04:15
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: add timeout, add poweroff and reboot buttons (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/93c58bf05:17
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmenu2x update (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/09a603005:20
kyakxiangfu: i have some concerns about the new asound.conf05:20
kyakare you sure that microphone will work by default?05:20
kyakwith the previous asound.conf, it just worked out of the box05:21
wpwrakkyak: it seems foolish to answer such a question with "yes" ;-)05:21
kyakwpwrak: i don't quite understand you05:21
wpwrakkyak: in general, when someone asks "are you sure that ...", this person is quite convinced that the contrary is true :)05:23
kyakwpwrak: yeah, that's the case, i guess..05:23
wpwrakkyak: as in "are you sure you want to use the hairdryer while in the bathtub ?"05:23
kyak:)05:24
kyakwait a minute.. it's /etc/asound.conf, not /etc/asound.state05:29
kyaki don't have a Ben at hand, but i'm really not sure how it will work :)05:29
xiangfukyak, hmm  didn't test . not sure about this. testing now05:32
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: Revert "nanonote-files: add software volume control" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/6b164a705:44
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: disable MIC by default (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/460e0fa05:44
kyakxiangfu: "disable mic by default" - but why?05:47
xiangfu<xiangfu> kyak, reverted. and mark mic disable by default as before05:48
xiangfu<xiangfu> thanks for notice :)05:48
kyakno-no05:48
kyaki remember i couldn't make it work for like several months because i didn't have a glue you have to hit "space"05:48
kyakon the mic is alsamixer05:48
kyakthat's so confusing05:48
xiangfukyak, oh sorry. don't know maybe too much works not think. just revert :(05:50
xiangfukyak, revert revert 05:51
xiangfurevert revert don't have commit log from qi-bot :(05:52
xiangfukyak, I am also prepare the changelog here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/OpenWrt_Software_Image#NEXT 05:52
xiangfukyak, if I miss something just add them :)05:52
xiangfuseems asound.conf is useless , the asound.state is enough for software volume control05:53
wolfspraulxiangfu: btw, the changelog should also include negative news (regressions), like for example the Python problem if it still exists05:56
wolfspraulwe have no reason to not be open about the loss of functionality we would like to have05:57
wolfspraul(i understand there are some workarounds/fixes, so maybe the Python thing is already resolved, but just saying in general)05:57
xiangfuwolfspraul, at the bottom there is 'ISSUE'05:57
xiangfuunder 'NEW PACKAGES' section05:58
wolfspraulI would probably just say 'negative' or so :-)05:58
wolfspraulnothing to be proud of, but if it's there it's there so I think we can handle the truth05:59
wolfspraulbut yes, good that it's there.05:59
wolfspraulshould we remove mediatomb and stardict?06:01
wolfspraulI still feel there is little value in keeping broken software, especially not in the image.06:01
xiangfunot included in ubi image06:01
xiangfubut mediatomb and stardict build as packages 06:01
xiangfuhmm... I would vote keep them as packages.06:02
wolfspraulsure as packages it's ok I guess06:02
xiangfuI guess there are maybe some packages not working in nanonote under: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/packages/NanoNote/Ben/latest/06:03
xiangfuBTW. I pass some company today, leave them some milkymist one brochures :)06:03
xiangfuit's a event manager company. I just saw it and leave some brochures in front of their door. :) I try to direct give them to their people but I think I scared this girl06:04
kyakxiangfu: thanks :)06:28
kyaki'll have a look at changelog, see if something is missing06:28
kyakxiangfu: new packages ibr* - btw, they fail to build -\06:29
xiangfuok. will remove them from new packages.06:41
xiangfu"The original StarDict project has recently been removed from SourceForge due to copyright infringement reports. Most of the files were lost with the demise of the project. The project has re-emerged here since then, though the legal issues may never have been resolved. "06:45
wolfspraul[m1 brochures] - nice06:49
wolfspraulif they are interested, they will come forward. just give them a chance so they cannot later complain they didn't know about it ;-)06:49
wolfspraul[stardict] well, don't know. we have to make our own judgment. do we have all the sources? do we think they are properly licensed as free software?06:50
qi-botThe build has FAILED, see log here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-08222011-2321/11:15
fossrox_guys, please check out this: http://www.osnews.com/story/25056/The_Community_Design_and_you_Thought_the_USPTO_Was_Bad - they came up with another form of intellectual property rights, it works like patents, and has nothing to do with any community from what i get but they labeled it "Community Designs" - maybe to make people talk bad about community designs11:19
wpwrak_fossrox_: nice, eh ? :) i'm still not quite sure if this should be viewed more as a potential threat or as an insult13:41
wpwrakhmm, the drawback of being able to quickly define a set of ~80 different parts with a few simple rules in fped is that, eventually, you'll do just that ....13:58
fossrox_wpwrak_, yes, it's really such a crap that i don't know what to say more14:07
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: modules/sot.fpd: experimental "generic" SOT footprint (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/5e1d03b14:27
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: modules/stdpass.fpd: added 2010 and 2512 (imperial) footprints (draft) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/0d0c30214:27
wpwrakwolfspraul: hmm, so what happened with rejon's attempt at orthogonalizing the qi logo ?14:58
rejonits still there15:09
rejoni just haven't pushed on it much15:09
rejonyou can get off http://fabricatorz.com15:09
wpwrakrejon: hah ! :) how does wolfgang like it ?15:09
wpwrakhmm, that's the M1 logo. how about the qi-hw logo ?15:10
wpwrakah, at the bottom15:10
wpwrakdo you have a description of the geometry somwhere ?15:11
wpwrake.g., is it in a square grid ? or are there some non-integer distances ?15:11
wpwraknaw, looks like integers15:14
wpwrakhmm. almost15:27
wpwrakuses half-grid points. damn those designers ! :)15:31
wpwrakrejon: here's a partial attempt at gridifying it: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/qi-hw.png15:34
wpwrakrejon: seems that 7 (the width) should be 7.5. the distance of the "leg" is a bit more difficult, doesn't quite fall on a grid or half-grid point. it's also hard to tell because you used anti-aliasing. is there an original version that has clean edges ?15:36
rejonpleae fix15:39
rejonplease fix15:39
rejonsorry under the gun15:40
rejonthat is a cool tool15:40
rejonwpwrak, yes, lets make them all consistent15:40
rejonand the sharism and qi and ben symbols15:40
wpwrakfor now, i just need qi :) the others are much harder anyway15:41
wpwrakfor the qi logo, how about 7 -> 7.5 and stretching the leg from 5 to 5.5 ? i think then it should be roughly the same15:42
wpwrakwell, i'll double all the numbers. fractional numbers are a sign of indecision :)15:43
wpwrakrejon: does the qi-hw logo have any invisible properties ? such as a minimum clearance ?15:51
wpwrakrejon: 2nd try: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/qi-hw.png15:55
rejonthe more logical the better on that qi15:56
rejonit should be better designed15:56
rejoni agree15:56
rejonand the qi font should be better15:56
wpwrakqi font ?15:57
wpwrakhow about clearances and such ? any minimum recommended border ? can other stuff go into the open white space of the qi-hw logo ?15:58
kyakwolfspraul: should we mention that the new release is not binary-compatible with previous one in "ISSUE"?16:04
wpwraknow with preview image: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/qi-hw.png16:09
wpwrakrejon: the sharp corners have the interesting property that some of them can't be milled16:11
kristianpauloh please kyak 16:39
kristianpauli used to have my local toolchain, seems i have to re-compile again.. :/16:40
kristianpaulwell..16:40
jow_laptopkyak: do you build the toolchain with your releases?16:40
kristianpaulfor i686? ;-)16:40
jow_laptopI did that for openwrt 10.03.1-rc5 and it seems to work well16:41
jow_laptopit will generate a tarball like http://openwrt.linux-appliance.net/xburst/OpenWrt-Toolchain-xburst-for-mipsel-gcc-4.3.3%2bcs_uClibc-0.9.30.1.tar.bz216:41
jow_laptopthe corresponding .config symbol is CONFIG_MAKE_TOOLCHAIN=y16:42
jow_laptopthis is of course a bit less useful if the build host is amd6416:43
jow_laptopalso if its very new, in particular the used glibc, the resulting binaries may not run everywhere16:44
wolfspraulkyak: yes, good idea. Let's mention that. Last time people complained.16:45
wolfspraulwpwrak: don't know where Jon stands on that16:45
kristianpaulkyak: how often this binary-compatible issue happen?16:46
kyakkristianpaul: this is the first time, due to major upgrade of uClibc 0.9.30 - 0.9.32 (there was one release based on 0.9.32), but we quickly changed back to 0.9.30 :)16:58
wpwrakheh, "major upgrade" and 0.9.30->0.9.32. so that's how you express the concept of "understatement" in version numbers ;-)17:00
wpwrakwolfspraul: (logo) do you like the "digitalized" one ?17:01
wpwrakwolfspraul: regarding the design details, i'd just post them on the list. then rejon can process them at his leisure :)17:02
kyakwpwrak: if i'm not mistaken, there had been several years between these releases :) so yeah, they are major17:04
kyaktrying to find a kernel cmdline parameter to control the bell.. "setterm -bfreq 0" prints escape characters to a terminal, and i don't like it..17:05
kristianpaulhum, nupdf still there..?18:20
kristianpauloh man :)18:22
kristianpaulif people can read on their bb why i cant on my nn ;)18:24
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: labsw/: schematics symbols and footprints (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/2c5a00818:43
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: labsw/: BOOKSHELF and mechanical drawings (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/50157a418:43
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: logo/: "digitalized" Qi-Hardware logo (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/fe057ee18:43
qi-bot[commit] kyak: gcc-mips workaround (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/b14a89b19:10
AylaI've been away for several days19:27
Aylasomebody highlighted me here, but my log is not long enough, I can't read the message :(19:28
kyakAyla: probably this one: http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs/qi-hardware_2011-08-21.log.html#t13:54 :)19:40
Aylakyak, thanks!19:41
kristianpaulhow i zoom inout in nupdf?..19:52
kristianpaullol19:52
kristianpaulo is for zoom in ;)19:53
Aylaand 'i' is for zoom out?19:53
kristianpaulyeah19:55
kristianpauland enter to jump to n page but it give segfault..19:55
kristianpaulbut is dam fast19:56
kyakkristianpaul: i remember nupdf used to segfault when you jumped to non-existent page19:56
kristianpaullike page 2? :)19:57
kyakyes, if it is a single page pdf :)19:57
kristianpaulkyak: btw you added the poke in the inittab?19:59
kristianpaulor..19:59
kyakyep, it;s there20:00
kyaknot inittab though20:00
kyakjust a start script20:00
kristianpaulah ;)20:00
qi-bot[commit] kyak: Revert "gcc-mips workaround" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/1080cfe20:32
qi-bot[commit] kyak: gcc-mips: temporary workaround (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a772fbe20:32
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: logo/border.fig: various definitions of borders (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/8c5251722:01
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: logo/border.fig: more clarifications (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/8f8af9823:13
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: logo/corners.fig: some clarifications here as well (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/cd19fe623:13
wpwrakwolfspraul: regarding jon's logo: do you like idea / the design ?23:31
wpwrakwolfspraul: btw, did you trademark name or logo anywhere ?23:47
wpwrak(or plan to)23:48
wolfspraul[like new logo] I'm fine with both23:54
wolfspraulI have the old logo in a lot of places and I will not spend any time to replace them23:54
wolfspraulif Jon is pushing the new logo into places, great23:54
wolfspraul:-)23:54
wpwrakheh ;-)23:54
wolfspraul[trademarks] for a while I spent a lot of money on US and EU trademarks, then I realized the system stinks, only slightly less than the patent system.23:55
wolfspraulso now I trademark nothing anymore, and I leave the ones that are already registered or in different states of registrations abandoned23:55
wpwrakthe old one would be a bitch to include in, say, faceplates or to print it on PCBs. that is, unless the tools in question don't just work like a postscript printer23:55
wolfspraulin other words, I go back to the good old system of 'trademarks' (tm), not 'registered trademarks' (r)23:55
wpwrak(trademark) very good. i expected nothing less ;-)23:56
wolfspraulI take them serious, but the registered databases are a joke23:56
wolfspraulbloated, inefficient, made by and for lawyers23:56
wolfspraullarge companies are trampling over this anyway, they long don't care anymore, other than some lawyers feeding themselves there of course23:57
wolfspraulif I have a trademark X registered, and Apple (for example, pick any other giant) chooses to use X 3 years later, they will just do it23:57
wolfspraul:-)23:57
wolfspraulthe databases are even used to hunt down enemies, which they would otherwise not find23:57
wolfspraulfor example Elphel registered a trademark "/* source inside */" over 5 years ago23:58
wolfsprauland used it on the outside of their cameras23:58
wpwrak"intel inside" ;-)23:58
wolfsprauluntil after over 5 years Intel found out about it. maybe one of their lawyers had nothing to do on a Friday, did a little search.23:58
wolfspraulso screw the system, Intel lawyers on 500 USD / hr paychecks will just contact you directly23:59
wolfspraulthey will not file an opposition through the system etc.23:59
wpwrakor it took them 5 years to work their way to "e" ;-)23:59
wolfspraulthey just bully you, and eventually it's smarter to give up on your "rights"23:59
Action: wpwrak should have studied law :)23:59
wolfspraulbottom line: not one more penny into the rotten system of trademark registrations23:59
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