| qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmenu2x update (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f8c5391 | 01:49 |
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| qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files update build script file (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a6f250f | 01:55 |
| kristianpaul | xiangfu: why you use branches isntead of tags for qi-openwrt releases? | 01:56 |
| xiangfu | for openwrt-package branch is better. since feeds.conf support branch. not tag. | 01:59 |
| kristianpaul | oh, good to know | 01:59 |
| xiangfu | for openwrt-xburst.my plan is using tag. | 02:00 |
| xiangfu | you can see tag: release_2010-12-14 and release_2011-02-23 | 02:00 |
| xiangfu | since we rebase a lot. I think branch is better then tag for us. so for "release_2011-05-28" I using branch again. | 02:02 |
| kristianpaul | (rebase) ;) | 02:02 |
| xiangfu | maybe I just delete those two tag, using branch as always. | 02:02 |
| xiangfu | no tags anymore. all branch. | 02:02 |
| xiangfu | that do you think? tag and branch is mess, only one is better. | 02:02 |
| kristianpaul | is not better all branch and tags in branch? | 02:03 |
| kristianpaul | oh, dint knew it about the mess | 02:03 |
| kristianpaul | what linux uses for releases? | 02:03 |
| kristianpaul | tarball still? :) | 02:03 |
| xiangfu | tag in upstream. | 02:03 |
| kristianpaul | well.. i really cant advice you, actually i made question in first place as i wanted to survery git users about branch and tags for releases | 02:05 |
| kristianpaul | personallu i like tags in the master branchs | 02:06 |
| kristianpaul | and let the other branchs for testings/experimenting porpuses | 02:06 |
| kristianpaul | there is that stash thing but i dont get used to it yet.. | 02:06 |
| xiangfu | I am testing. seems the after rebase, tag have some problem. ask in #git for make sure. if tag have problem when rebase, then we have to using 'branch' :) | 02:15 |
| kristianpaul | can you avoid rebase? | 02:18 |
| kristianpaul | or do it not in master then later merge? | 02:18 |
| xiangfu | I try to keep our commit on top of openwrt's commit. the only way is rebase :( | 02:31 |
| ignatius_ | Anyone know how to use the entire NAND's space for userland? Every time I install a .UBI I only get around 500MiB. | 02:34 |
| kristianpaul | ignatius_: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ubifs_Startup | 02:36 |
| ignatius_ | Thanks. | 02:37 |
| kristianpaul | good and bad news | 03:13 |
| kristianpaul | first the accumlator interrupt signal was OK all this time | 03:14 |
| kristianpaul | but, and just until i start playing a bit with vertical scale in the scope i discovr this http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/kristianpaul/wtf%20accum%20int.png | 03:16 |
| kristianpaul | that signal should look like this http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/kristianpaul/good%20accum%20int.png | 03:18 |
| kristianpaul | difference? well a different fpga pin | 03:18 |
| kristianpaul | thats the bad part... i hope i dint damaged without noticing.. | 03:18 |
| xiangfu | I just try "openwrt-xburst.full_system-07272011-1848" images. | 03:47 |
| xiangfu | python gets better. but still "Segmentation fault", pyclock is working. but 'python' get "segmentation fault" | 03:47 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: you there? | 03:51 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 03:51 |
| wolfspraul | I am wondering whether we should go back to a short usb cable for m1. | 03:51 |
| wolfspraul | :-) | 03:51 |
| kristianpaul | he ;) | 03:52 |
| wolfspraul | I guess going to a long one (I believe that came from you) caused new problems. And I don't want to spend energy on fixing those problems, instead why not just have a short one? | 03:52 |
| wolfspraul | you complained back then, why? | 03:52 |
| kristianpaul | well, my current cable is a 80cm long from a canon camera and works ok | 03:52 |
| wolfspraul | if the cable is user in a developer setting (because of the upward pointing USB it's meant to go to jtag), then most likely the m1 will stand right next to a notebook, no? | 03:52 |
| kristianpaul | yes i complain time ago about short cables | 03:52 |
| wolfspraul | ok but that one is a dev only situation | 03:53 |
| kristianpaul | but i never tought this could happen, sorry :( | 03:53 |
| wolfspraul | the m1 is open | 03:53 |
| wolfspraul | no, all fine | 03:53 |
| wolfspraul | we must never be afraid to improve things | 03:53 |
| wolfspraul | there's always a price to pay, but I know this and I'm still passionate about aggressively improving | 03:53 |
| wolfspraul | every pioneer will at some point realize there are easier ways to live your life :-) | 03:53 |
| wolfspraul | so... | 03:54 |
| wolfspraul | isn't this cable used in a dev only setting? | 03:54 |
| wolfspraul | m1 is open | 03:54 |
| wolfspraul | it must be near | 03:54 |
| kristianpaul | ergg, my cable 123cms from canon camera | 03:54 |
| kristianpaul | yes dev | 03:54 |
| wolfspraul | I cannot see why there is any problem if the cable is 80cm, even less | 03:54 |
| wolfspraul | if the cable is used for m1 in an event/performance setting, I can understand | 03:54 |
| kristianpaul | and no problem on my side of course, runnon debian stable, what else i can tel.. | 03:54 |
| wolfspraul | we have extra long cables for the power supplies now, for exmaple :-) (2.5m instead of the normal 1.8m) | 03:54 |
| kristianpaul | jtag pod with fix | 03:54 |
| kristianpaul | oh | 03:55 |
| wolfspraul | so you say 80cm for the usb jtag cable is also fine? | 03:55 |
| kristianpaul | well, i could say that but is not realiable as i never reflashed 90 boards with mine... | 03:56 |
| kristianpaul | yeah. well usually next to netbook. | 03:57 |
| kristianpaul | well, all people havbe netbooks now, may be i need get one in my home and replace the dekstop computer ;) | 03:57 |
| kristianpaul | but YES. cable is only for dev settings i gree | 03:58 |
| kristianpaul | agree**** | 03:58 |
| kristianpaul | and if short works, okay... | 03:59 |
| kristianpaul | i think xiangfu have a nice shorter cable, now i realize why :-) | 03:59 |
| wolfspraul | I'm not trying to talk you into liking it, I am trying to understand the specific setting you have in mind. | 04:00 |
| wolfspraul | in your case, the m1 is on your desk, but the cable runs down to a desktop computer sitting on the floor? | 04:00 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 04:00 |
| wolfspraul | and what is the cable length you need to reach down there? | 04:01 |
| wolfspraul | 80cm will not be enough, right? | 04:01 |
| kristianpaul | well. in my particular case a little tight but you work | 04:02 |
| kristianpaul | s/you/might | 04:03 |
| wolfspraul | ok | 04:04 |
| wolfspraul | thanks! | 04:04 |
| wolfspraul | :-) | 04:04 |
| kristianpaul | he, i hope my feedback helped... well... at least i'll keep mind changing cable lengts is not good always.. | 04:06 |
| wolfspraul | well, anything can make a difference, in hindsight you know. | 04:06 |
| wolfspraul | but that cannot stop us from making changes, otherwise we may as well close shop. | 04:06 |
| wolfspraul | so all fine | 04:06 |
| wolfspraul | we learn | 04:06 |
| kristianpaul | afortunty usb cables are cheap in you side i guess :) | 04:08 |
| roh | morning | 04:38 |
| wolfspraul | morning | 04:40 |
| kristianpaul | gn8 :) | 04:42 |
| qi-bot | The build has FAILED, see log here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-08022011-0429/ | 07:49 |
| kodein | oh dear | 08:07 |
| xiangfu | the recently openwrt updata break the 'at-3.1.12' package. | 08:42 |
| LunaVorax | Hello everyone ! | 11:16 |
| wolfspraul | LunaVorax: hi | 11:23 |
| Ayla | wpwrak: hello? | 11:40 |
| LunaVorax | wolfspraul, how have you been ? | 14:04 |
| wolfspraul | LunaVorax: busy! | 14:09 |
| wolfspraul | working on upcoming Milkymist One | 14:09 |
| wolfspraul | our video synthesizer | 14:09 |
| wolfspraul | LunaVorax: wanna buy one? :-) 499 USD... | 14:09 |
| wolfspraul | and how have you been? what's brewing? | 14:10 |
| rix1234 | has anyone done with usb-redirection for citrix receiver | 14:23 |
| LunaVorax | wolfspraul, passing semester 2 at college, still learning C and SDL, working on some project, building a NAS RAID-5, lot of stuff :) | 15:50 |
| LunaVorax | wolfspraul, also tried to learn asm x86 but lost motivation | 15:50 |
| Ayla | losinggeneration, what are you doing here? :) | 15:54 |
| losinggeneration | idling :P | 15:55 |
| Ayla | you bought a nanonote? | 15:56 |
| Ayla | done with your didj? | 15:57 |
| losinggeneration | seems like a logical place to idle since I have an openmoko neo freerunner and like open hardware stuff | 15:57 |
| Ayla | ok | 15:57 |
| losinggeneration | oh, not done with it, just put on the back burner for a bit, life is a bit hecktic right now, and I've been trying to work on some sms code lately | 15:57 |
| losinggeneration | *hectic* even | 15:57 |
| Ayla | sms as in sega master system? | 15:58 |
| losinggeneration | yeah | 15:58 |
| Ayla | :) | 15:58 |
| losinggeneration | it is a bit ambiguous when I'm in non-sega irc channels :P | 15:58 |
| Ayla | keep me informed, we need a SMS emu :p | 15:59 |
| losinggeneration | well, I ported CrabEmu to the Didj which meant writing an SDL backend | 15:59 |
| Ayla | the Didj is 320x240? | 16:00 |
| losinggeneration | off the top of my head, I think so | 16:00 |
| Ayla | there's no ASM in it? | 16:01 |
| losinggeneration | pure C | 16:01 |
| Ayla | heh, interesting | 16:02 |
| losinggeneration | it needs a few more minor optimization, but it runs at pretty much full speed | 16:03 |
| Ayla | tell me when the code is mature enough, so that I can port it to the dingoo A320... | 16:03 |
| losinggeneration | it's actually not in terrible shape IMO, but another set of eyes on it may be useful :) | 16:04 |
| Ayla | we'll release a new kernel for it in a few, a new emulator would make some advertisement | 16:04 |
| losinggeneration | oh, it does depend on Lua (for configuration) also, but that shouldn't be too hard to make for pretty much any system | 16:06 |
| Ayla | it's one case to check on buildroot, and we have Lua on the system | 16:07 |
| Ayla | you could put KOS lib on the dcload disc | 16:16 |
| Ayla | the elf to send on the cable would be MUCH smaller | 16:16 |
| losinggeneration | Yes, it would indeed be smaller. I'd also like to get KOS to a point where it's modular, so only, for instance, the base OS, and filesystem stuff loads up instead absolutely of everything | 16:24 |
| Ayla | that's for KOS 3.0 | 16:25 |
| losinggeneration | yeah :) | 16:26 |
| losinggeneration | maybe for ten years from now :P | 16:26 |
| losinggeneration | I've also been thinking it may be useful for it to support more devices/consoles... but the DC still has a pretty loyal (albeit small) following | 16:28 |
| Ayla | it's too close to the hardware to be portable | 16:29 |
| losinggeneration | well, it used to have initial support for ps2 and gba, but those were never finished/matured | 16:29 |
| Ayla | I wouldn't mind seeing it on x360 | 16:30 |
| losinggeneration | initial apps wouldn't be portable from one device to another (which would be annoying) unless we put a generic hardware interface in place | 16:30 |
| losinggeneration | oh, all the big picture projects I'd love to have enough time to work on :/ | 16:31 |
| Ayla | heh, I know that | 16:34 |
| Ayla | I have one big picture project called AICA/OS& ;) | 16:34 |
| Ayla | which has been in pause for a long time | 16:36 |
| losinggeneration | did you end up ditching newlib, I forget | 16:36 |
| Ayla | I have some code on github for it, but I fear I'll have to start it again, and implement the RPC on the syscalls of newlib | 16:37 |
| Ayla | the goal is to be able to open say "/cd/file.txt" directly from the ARM, and read/write it, with nothing more than fopen, fread and fwrite | 16:40 |
| losinggeneration | that would be pretty cool, also, fclose is overrated (or underrated for not being mentioned :P) | 16:44 |
| Ayla | you'll have fclose() too, indeed | 16:45 |
| Jay7 | LunaVorax: raid5 may be one-way-ticket for your data :) | 17:36 |
| LunaVorax | Jay7, you sure ? I though it was safe | 17:37 |
| Jay7 | LunaVorax: it have one problem - write hole | 17:37 |
| Jay7 | check wikipedia about RAID5 | 17:38 |
| LunaVorax | I did | 17:38 |
| Jay7 | failed driver increasing load of next drive in array | 17:38 |
| Jay7 | at least install spare drive and run checkum re-checkin regularly | 17:39 |
| LunaVorax | Jay7, which RAID would you use ? | 17:40 |
| Jay7 | mostly RAID1, but have 2 hardware RAID6 too | 17:41 |
| Jay7 | now thinking about ZFS with RAID-Z.. | 17:41 |
| Jay7 | it's RAID5 but w/o write hole because of ZFS's CoW algo | 17:41 |
| Jay7 | I dislike HW raid's.. it's hard to recover data from it always | 17:42 |
| Jay7 | if card is dead you should find card by same vendor (and may be even from same series).. | 17:42 |
| Jay7 | after ~5-10 years it's very hard to do :) | 17:43 |
| Jay7 | LunaVorax: other option is RAID10 (or 1+0) | 17:44 |
| Jay7 | but you will have less space when compared to RAID5.. | 17:45 |
| Jay7 | but disks are cheap now :) | 17:45 |
| LunaVorax | Jay7, we don't have the same conception of cheap then | 17:47 |
| LunaVorax | I paid 333¬ for 4*2Tb | 17:48 |
| Jay7 | it's better than 3333 euro :) | 17:48 |
| LunaVorax | And, yes, I need the 8tb :/ | 17:48 |
| LunaVorax | I'm not that ready to pay 333 more euros only to make a RAID 10 | 17:49 |
| Jay7 | well, use RAID5 but buy one spare disk | 17:49 |
| Jay7 | ASAP | 17:49 |
| Jay7 | just to lower possibility of double fault | 17:49 |
| LunaVorax | hmkay | 17:49 |
| Jay7 | or change drives every 2 years :) | 17:49 |
| LunaVorax | Jay7, what software are you using for your raid ? | 17:50 |
| Jay7 | LunaVorax: mdadm on Linux, gmirror or zfs on FreeBSD | 17:50 |
| LunaVorax | hmkay | 17:50 |
| LunaVorax | I was thiniking about using FreeNAS since I'm a noob | 17:51 |
| Jay7 | FreeNAS is FreeBSD-based | 17:51 |
| LunaVorax | I know | 17:51 |
| Jay7 | there you may use RAID5 because it is RAID-Z | 17:51 |
| LunaVorax | You mean RAID5 using ZFS formatted disks ? | 17:51 |
| Jay7 | but you should buy at least 4Gb of RAM for zfs to run smoothly :) | 17:52 |
| LunaVorax | Oh damn | 17:52 |
| Jay7 | better to have 8Gb (if you will enable deduplication with next FreeNAS release) | 17:52 |
| LunaVorax | No ZFS then | 17:52 |
| LunaVorax | 4gb for a filesystem ? that's insane | 17:52 |
| Jay7 | not for FS, but for NAS | 17:53 |
| LunaVorax | you lost me a bit | 17:53 |
| Jay7 | zfs may work with 1Gb | 17:53 |
| Jay7 | but you will get more speed with 4Gb | 17:53 |
| Jay7 | because you may enable prefetching | 17:53 |
| Jay7 | or use OpenFiler e.g. | 17:54 |
| LunaVorax | Hum | 17:54 |
| Jay7 | it's linux-based (lvm + ext3 iirc) | 17:54 |
| LunaVorax | That's getting even more complicated than I though | 17:54 |
| Jay7 | or use freenas but with UFS | 17:55 |
| Jay7 | but I'm unsure it will create raid5 then.. you should check this before | 17:55 |
| Jay7 | LunaVorax: nothing really complicated... it depends on your NAS load | 17:56 |
| Jay7 | for low load you may use almost everything | 17:56 |
| Jay7 | for high load I'll prefer to have ZFS with 8Gb of RAM :) | 17:56 |
| LunaVorax | Jay7, It's just a little NAS for me on centralise all of my data mand make it safe | 17:59 |
| LunaVorax | And I'm the only one using it | 18:00 |
| LunaVorax | -on + to | 18:00 |
| Jay7 | LunaVorax: try OpenFiler then | 18:05 |
| Jay7 | it should provide all you want :) | 18:05 |
| Jay7 | and iirc, it does not require separate storage for itself (like FreeNAS does) | 18:06 |
| LunaVorax | hum key | 18:06 |
| Jay7 | but I'm not sure | 18:06 |
| kristianpaul | true, raid is a mess when you want ot recover lost data | 18:41 |
| kristianpaul | s/ot/to | 18:41 |
| kristianpaul | wher i work, at month or so, there are such us cases | 18:42 |
| kristianpaul | and hardware lockerd to vendor most of the time.. | 18:42 |
| kristianpaul | NAS is good way, at least if you can sync tow of this boxes (hopefullt remotelly separated) | 18:43 |
| Jay7 | btw, nice place for open HW - open hw raid cards :) | 18:44 |
| Jay7 | with open metadata format and cheap batteries :) | 18:45 |
| Jay7 | and sure with open drivers and tools :) | 18:46 |
| kristianpaul | yeah... when time allow :) | 18:48 |
| kristianpaul | storage indeed is full of lock, just see those cheap usb memory sticks now days.. | 18:49 |
| kristianpaul | or even worst external hard drives, with usb support, that uses AES, but no body knows the key aparently.. | 18:50 |
| kristianpaul | oh well :) | 18:51 |
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