| Tesseract | nevermind that last question | 00:39 |
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| qi-bot | The build was successfull, see images here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-06302011-2121/ | 01:11 |
| wolfspraul | good morning everybody | 01:51 |
| Tesseract | morning | 02:48 |
| wolfspraul | Tesseract: morning :-) | 02:49 |
| Tesseract | you wouldnt have a spare moment? having slight trouble getting my ben nanonote to co-operate | 02:50 |
| Tesseract | after following the format data partition guide on the wiki, i still only have 460mb in my rootfs partition | 02:52 |
| wolfspraul | the partitions are hard-coded in the kernel | 03:05 |
| wolfspraul | so if you want one large rootfs, you have to make a change there and rebuild the kernel | 03:06 |
| wolfspraul | I'm not exactly sure what you want to achieve and which exact steps you followed though. | 03:06 |
| Tesseract | hell, i'd settle for another partition for data, I just cant see it after doing all those steps on the wiki | 03:07 |
| Tesseract | the steps are here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Format_Data_Partition | 03:07 |
| wolfspraul | which steps? (url?) | 03:07 |
| Tesseract | one step ahead :D | 03:07 |
| wolfspraul | and where does it fail? can you mount the partition? | 03:08 |
| wolfspraul | I think we have a little helper script/command now somewhere to mount it, I don't see that reference on this wiki page | 03:08 |
| wolfspraul | but the steps on the wiki page should work | 03:09 |
| wolfspraul | at the end you mount your 1.5gb data partition on /data | 03:09 |
| wolfspraul | (if you follow those steps) | 03:09 |
| Tesseract | I do have a folder on root called "data" but when I check the partitions (df -h) I cant see it/ | 03:10 |
| wolfspraul | are you following that wiki page? | 03:11 |
| wolfspraul | at which step are you? | 03:11 |
| wolfspraul | there are steps 1-5 | 03:11 |
| Tesseract | yes, and then the ones to make it work at statup | 03:11 |
| Tesseract | I've put them all in | 03:11 |
| wolfspraul | the startup stuff was improved many times, the wiki instructions may be outdated | 03:12 |
| wolfspraul | so you think you formatted the data partition? | 03:12 |
| wolfspraul | when you did a manual mount (step 5), did it work? | 03:12 |
| Tesseract | diddnt check | 03:13 |
| wolfspraul | first step - format the data partition (actually should have come from the factory like that) | 03:13 |
| Tesseract | *facepalm* checking now | 03:13 |
| wolfspraul | second step - try a manual mount | 03:13 |
| wolfspraul | third step - setup easiest way to automount on boot | 03:13 |
| wolfspraul | for the third step, I'm not sure, hopefully someone else knows the latest best way... | 03:13 |
| Tesseract | http://pastebin.com/B8GtGdP0 | 03:16 |
| Tesseract | there's the result of a manual mount | 03:17 |
| wolfspraul | the mount gives you no output at all? | 03:22 |
| wolfspraul | maybe try mount -v (verbose) | 03:23 |
| wolfspraul | which software version do you have on your ben (cat /etc/VERSION)? | 03:23 |
| Tesseract | 2011-5-28 and I still dont get any output off the command (mount -t ubifs ubi1:data /data/ -v) | 03:25 |
| wolfspraul | or you just wait until we cleanup this mess and it works well out of the box :-) | 03:25 |
| Tesseract | lol | 03:25 |
| Tesseract | the new version apparently comes out some time in 2012 | 03:26 |
| wolfspraul | which new version? | 03:26 |
| Tesseract | if you can clean this up by then, I'll be impressed | 03:26 |
| Tesseract | the ben nanonote is only the first in the nanonote series | 03:26 |
| wolfspraul | oh don't worry, we have been pretty good at improving the Ben software over the last 1.5 years. I think that's fair to say. | 03:26 |
| Tesseract | there's a new one (the yi if i remember correctly) coming out next year. | 03:27 |
| Tesseract | true | 03:27 |
| wolfspraul | I'm sorry that the data partition causes you some headache now. | 03:27 |
| wolfspraul | I want all this to work out of the box, but there are conflicting goals so we have been a little slow | 03:27 |
| Tesseract | I got the nanonote for the challange. wouldnt be worth it if it worked nicely | 03:27 |
| wolfspraul | for one we may want to enable dual-booting with Jlime | 03:27 |
| wolfspraul | then we are thinking how we can offer a usb-storage mode for file transfers | 03:28 |
| wolfspraul | and encrypted partitions | 03:28 |
| Tesseract | usb file transfers are easy enough already | 03:28 |
| wolfspraul | all of this ties back into the partitioning and choice of file systems, and we haven't found the golden middle path yet | 03:28 |
| Tesseract | dualbooting, awesome. usb-storage, unnecissary but awesome. encrypted partitions, if someone knows how to work the nanonote, they deserve my data. | 03:29 |
| wolfspraul | Tesseract: you can wait a little until xiangfu is back online, he may have some magic ideas to get your data partition up | 03:30 |
| wolfspraul | I hope you didn't follow that wiki page too closely, especially the section on auto-mounting at boot time - it may be outdated | 03:30 |
| wolfspraul | yeah, the bulk of the page was written in April 2010 :-) | 03:31 |
| Tesseract | bugger | 03:31 |
| wolfspraul | unfortunately deleting content in a wiki is hard, because nobody dares to make the decision that something has been superseded entirely | 03:32 |
| wolfspraul | there may still be some corner cases where the old information may be useful (is the thinking) | 03:32 |
| wolfspraul | so stuff just gets layered on top of each other, not good, unfortunately | 03:32 |
| Tesseract | we need a wiki archive for that sort of info | 03:33 |
| wolfspraul | there seems to be a utility mtd.nn | 03:34 |
| wolfspraul | http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/OpenWrt_Software_Image#Change_Log | 03:34 |
| wolfspraul | and commands like format_data_default and mount data /data | 03:35 |
| wolfspraul | sounds like it could be what you need | 03:35 |
| Tesseract | could be. I've been using linux for all of 3 days so this doesn't make too much sense | 03:37 |
| Tesseract | sudo, echo, cat, grep, ls, cd and ifconfig are my current repertoire. | 03:39 |
| wolfspraul | I hope that doesn't get too boring, there are many useful apps too, check http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Applications | 03:44 |
| rjeffries | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/13588168/papilio-fpga-shield-for-arduino coolproject | 03:57 |
| rjeffries | as is this board http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/seeeduino-adk-main-board-p-846.html | 03:59 |
| kyak | Tesseract: if using the latest image, mounting the data partition should be as easy as "mtd.nn format_data_default; mtd.nn mount data /data" (for the first time) | 05:14 |
| kyak | after that, just "mtd.nn mount data /data" | 05:14 |
| kyak | you can also add thi line to /etc/init.d/start | 05:15 |
| wolfspraul | kyak: since he went through the steps from the old wiki page - if he has no data on the Ben yet, the best may be to start over with a full reflash? | 05:16 |
| Tesseract | heh, just did one | 05:17 |
| Tesseract | oh well | 05:17 |
| kyak | wolfspraul: i assumed he has just did the full reflash | 05:17 |
| Tesseract | running reflash_ben.sh | 05:21 |
| Tesseract | now for the 20 min wait | 05:21 |
| kyak | Tesseract: just to confirm, are you reflashing all bootloader, kernel and rootfs? | 05:22 |
| Tesseract | everything currently | 05:23 |
| Tesseract | oh, is the data partition already 1.4Gb in size after reflashing? | 05:28 |
| Tesseract | only requiring mounting? | 05:28 |
| kyak | nope, you need to format it for the first time | 05:29 |
| Tesseract | hmm, this should go up on the wiki if it works. | 05:29 |
| kyak | then you shouldn't ever format it again (unless rootfs size changes) | 05:29 |
| Tesseract | kyak: on that first command you sent me, it throws up the error: "cannot attach mtd3 (file exists)" | 06:08 |
| Tesseract | hmm, perhapse i delete the /data directory and retry | 06:08 |
| wolfspraul | don't delete the /data directory | 06:09 |
| wolfspraul | the existance of that directory is completely unrelated to mtd3 or any of the ubi stuff. however, you need the /data directory as a mount point. | 06:09 |
| Tesseract | i'm assuming it still mounted to that directory, as i cant seem to delete it anyway | 06:11 |
| kyak | what does 'mount' show? | 06:12 |
| Tesseract | df -h shows it's mounted | 06:14 |
| kyak | and the size is..? | 06:14 |
| Tesseract | 1.3Gb | 06:14 |
| kyak | all right then | 06:14 |
| Tesseract | sorry, 1.4 | 06:14 |
| Tesseract | a resounding success | 06:14 |
| kyak | now you should add the mount command to your /etc/init.d/start | 06:15 |
| wolfspraul | Tesseract: congratulations! | 06:15 |
| Tesseract | echo "mtd.nn mount data /data" > /etc/init.d/start . should work to put it in the start file? | 06:16 |
| Tesseract | and thanks a heap for getting the data partition to co-operate! | 06:18 |
| kyak | better edit the /etc/init.d/start manually, as it has things there | 06:25 |
| kyak | oh, there is no /etc/init.d/start by default.. you could have a look into /etc/init.d/ben-nanonote and put your command there | 06:27 |
| kyak | in the start() function | 06:28 |
| Tesseract | done | 06:40 |
| Tesseract | and it works on reboot | 06:43 |
| Tesseract | however, in the same function, ifconfig usb0 192.168.3.2 doesn't work | 06:53 |
| Tesseract | oh well | 06:53 |
| kyak | don't do that in start scripts | 06:55 |
| kyak | have a look into /etc/config/network | 06:56 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu Liu: new package: pem, tool to help you keep track of your personal income and expenses (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/46fbba1 | 11:33 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files, configu.full_system include svn (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/6341d4c | 11:55 |
| wpwrak | damn google ! | 12:11 |
| wpwrak | they tried to poison us | 12:11 |
| wpwrak | too many bloody caipirinhas | 12:13 |
| RON_ | wpwrak what have you heard from people who have received atben from our VERY seldom-seen tuxbrain friend? | 15:55 |
| RON_ | wolspraul have you recieved your tuxbrain atben atusb order? | 15:55 |
| lekernel | "bluetooth support for the pulseaudio sound server". what the heck is that?! | 20:20 |
| viric | lekernel: it's the 21th century on electronics and free software | 20:23 |
| viric | did you just wake up from consoles, sound blasters, and 80386 personal computers running linux 1.0? :) | 20:23 |
| viric | Because you are going to get bad surprises | 20:24 |
| viric | *21st* :) | 20:24 |
| lekernel | so in the 21st century, we are supposed to have audio clicks and various sound breakages and bugs when you are playing audio from two applications simultaneously with pukeaudio? | 20:25 |
| lekernel | not to mention that when pukeaudio output is enabled in mplayer, I cannot smoothly play videos anymore | 20:25 |
| viric | lekernel: ah, you should get newer hardware | 20:26 |
| lekernel | there is a small hiccup every 2 seconds or so | 20:26 |
| viric | it's an indicator of obsolescence. | 20:26 |
| lekernel | oh, all these things worked perfectly with alsa | 20:26 |
| viric | that's so outdated! | 20:26 |
| lekernel | also, when playing said videos, the cpu usage isn't high | 20:26 |
| lekernel | it's just all pukeaudio bugs | 20:26 |
| zear | i don't like pulseaudio either. Latest gdm update forced me to install pulseaudio and since this i have lots of audio problems | 20:27 |
| lekernel | but there is bluetooth support. yay! | 20:27 |
| lekernel | yeah same here, fedora and gnome3 forces it on everyone | 20:27 |
| viric | people gets strong links with the past; the enforcement is for your wellfare and safety | 20:29 |
| lekernel | also I cannot see the point of playing your audio on a remote machine ... never had a need for that | 20:30 |
| viric | and for a subset of use cases, pulseaudio has been proven to move some bytes to some place better than other solutions. | 20:30 |
| lekernel | same for those stupid x11 redirects that never work and serve as a catch-all excuse for x11 problems... do you see a pattern here? | 20:30 |
| viric | that sounds like 'flexibility' and 'modularity' | 20:31 |
| lekernel | i don't have any "strong link" with the past, but I do enjoy audio that just works out of the box without having to type "killall -9 pulseaudio" every hour or so | 20:32 |
| lekernel | alsa was closer to that than pukeaudio | 20:32 |
| lekernel | first there was x11, now pukeaudio... i'll end up buying a mac if that trend continues | 20:33 |
| lekernel | at least apple got the UI and audio right | 20:34 |
| viric | :) | 20:40 |
| viric | Some try to achieve what apple achieved, but with another software license. | 20:41 |
| lekernel | if only the pulseaudio people would focus on getting it to _work_ on the local machine before implementing weird and often useless feature like bluetooth and tcp/ip ... | 20:43 |
| lekernel | it's really creating tons of problems on my machine because of its bugs | 20:44 |
| viric | :) | 20:45 |
| viric | the world advances at giant steps. | 20:45 |
| viric | And you alone will be able to slow it down only a little :) | 20:45 |
| lekernel | phew | 20:46 |
| lekernel | i'm by far not the only one who complains about pulseaudio bugs. there are so many... | 20:46 |
| viric | I'm just seeing a project about scanning bloggers in 3d. | 20:46 |
| viric | lekernel: I personally keep out it :) | 20:46 |
| rjeffries | do we have report sof people receiving atben radio boards (likewise atusb boards) and people getting them up and running | 23:36 |
| rjeffries | Ben to Ben seems to be doable. | 23:36 |
| rjeffries | Wolfgang did you get your order from David at Tuxbrain? | 23:36 |
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