#qi-hardware IRC log for Friday, 2011-07-01

Action: kristianpaul just got some bitbills03:06
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: new package: Tempest for Eliza is a Program that uses your computer monitor to send out AM radio signals. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f3afa7c03:44
TesseractMorning everyone04:47
Tesseractanyone here?04:48
kristianpaulhi04:55
kristianpaulevening here 23:5504:55
Tesseracthello?05:33
kristianpaulhey :)05:38
Tesseractfinally05:43
Tesseractlol05:43
kristianpaulahhh, i knew osgps just work with real data06:01
kristianpaulwell i wasnt sure at all, but Clifford Kelley just confirmed 06:01
Tesseractcan i get some help? when trying to get ethernet over usb for the nanonote, when i punch in ifconfig usb0, it says device not found06:25
TesseractNot good.06:25
kyakifconfig -a06:28
kyakit might be that some udev smartness renamed it to usb1,2.. etc06:29
Tesseractit gives the same as before06:42
Tesseracteth0, lo and wlan006:42
Tesseractany ideas?06:50
kyakwhen you plug in Ben, do you see it appear in dmesg?06:53
kyakalso, what does lsusb show?06:53
TesseractBus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub06:53
TesseractBus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub06:53
TesseractBus 006 Device 002: ID 1532:001c Razer USA, Ltd 06:54
TesseractBus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub06:54
TesseractBus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub06:54
TesseractBus 004 Device 003: ID 0a5c:2145 Broadcom Corp. Bluetooth with Enhanced Data Rate II06:54
TesseractBus 004 Device 002: ID 08ff:2810 AuthenTec, Inc. AES281006:54
TesseractBus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub06:54
TesseractBus 003 Device 002: ID 1532:010b Razer USA, Ltd 06:54
TesseractBus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub06:54
TesseractBus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub06:54
TesseractBus 001 Device 004: ID 17ef:480c Lenovo 06:54
TesseractBus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub06:54
Tesseractand whats dmesg?06:54
kyakplease, use some pastebin service...06:54
kyakand try pluggin Ben to some other usb port06:55
Tesseractand it appeared for no apparent reason06:57
Tesseractwierd06:57
Tesseractthankyou06:57
kyakafter plugin to another port?06:57
Tesseractyes06:57
kyakremember this port well :)06:57
Tesseractmust be an internal hub or somthing06:57
kyakyeah06:57
kyakyou might as well document this port in Ethernet over USB wiki page :)06:58
Tesseractmight aswell, under the Issue heading.07:00
Tesseractnew problem, on the nanonote: "ipkg update" is trying to get a file that doesn't exist anymore.07:35
Tesseractan update will probably fix that though07:36
Tesseractflash*07:37
kyakflashing to the latest version is always a good idea07:38
kyakopgk update should fetch the Package.gz fine in any case.. check the /etc/opkg.conf07:39
Tesseractexcept when your about to break your internet cap >.<07:39
kyakhow is that?07:39
TesseractI'm located in australia and I have a 40gb on-peak and 40gb off-peak cap07:40
kyakah, fetching an image is a problem? :)07:40
kyakthe rootfs size when compressed is ~150 Mb07:40
kyakthat's approximately how much you will need to download07:41
Tesseracti'll get up early tomorrow and try and download it in off-peak.07:41
Tesseractthanks again for your help07:42
kyaknp07:42
kyakbtw, what is your current version? (cat /etc/VERSION)07:42
Tesseract2010-9-1407:52
kyakthat's so old :)07:54
Tesseractnothing but a dictionary, map viewer and terminal07:55
Tesseractout of curiosity, what do you guys use the nanonote for?08:42
kyakTesseract: you might want to have a look here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ben_NanoNote_use_cases08:58
kyakand here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Applications (taking that each Application is a use case)08:59
qi-bot[commit] nbd: ath5k: add a missing srev checks for code that lowers the synth voltage - might fix some stability issues (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ff655ea09:56
qi-bot[commit] kaloz: [toolchain/gcc]: upgrade the linaro gcc to 2011.06 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/98d589f09:56
qi-bot[commit] kaloz: [target/generic/3.0]: add missing kernel symbols (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7437ee409:56
qi-bot[commit] kaloz: [cns3xxx]: preliminary 3.0 support (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5bdb3e209:56
qi-bot[commit] Mirko Vogt: add <http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/mirror-openwrt-sources/> (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ae8748909:56
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/463d31109:56
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: [xburst] Improve mounttime (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/06082c309:56
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote optimize (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7d51ed209:56
qi-bot[commit] kyak: add kernel patch for setfont2 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/bd7615009:56
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/03e88c409:56
qi-bot[commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable battery, disable RNDIS (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/93468b309:56
qi-bot[commit] kyak: patches-2.6.37: support for Ben NAND partitioning (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/52fee5009:56
qi-bot[commit] David K├╝hling: linux kernel: add CONFIG_PROC_PAGE_MONITOR=y to allow for clean user-space DMA (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/63e49e909:56
qi-bot[commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable options needed for keymouse (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/0c167dc09:56
qi-bot[commit] kyak: trunk: fix kernel keymap for VolUp/Down and Del (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c6f46f909:56
qi-bot[commit] kyak: trunk: build sound modules in kernel (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7bb7d4609:56
qi-bot[commit] kyak: trunk: add ks7010 support patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/a6a4c8c09:56
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/2bbcdc509:56
qi-bot[commit] kyak: Disable syslogd and klogd (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/be5d8ed09:56
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: update to 2010.06 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/07798e809:56
wpwrakah, nothing like a long restful sleep :)11:25
wpwrakand now, the mails ...11:25
wpwrakgrmbl. there's an open source embedded meeting at 9. waay too early11:32
wolfspraulwpwrak: are you already back in Buenos Aires?11:33
wpwrakwolfspraul: naw, staying in porto alegre until sunday11:34
wolfspraulah nice11:34
wolfspraulsomehow today it struck me that I need a lot of great online marketing material for the m1 launch, urgh11:35
wpwrakdid you really think i'd miss out on all the drinking ? :)11:35
wpwrak;-))11:35
wolfspraullike some tutorial video, or videos of the box in action in general11:35
wolfsprauloh my :-)11:35
wpwrakah, speaking of which, what's the plan for the monthly news ?11:35
wolfspraulat least delayed by 10 days or so11:36
wolfsprauli'm completely swamped right now11:36
wpwrakalso some seed videos for viral marketing11:36
wpwrakhmm, thinking of it, drunken brazilian girls on rejon's M1 should draw some attention :)11:37
wolfspraulI set myself a sales goal for when I would consider copyleft hardware a success today: 1 billion units11:37
wpwrak(10 days) good. i can relax then :)11:37
wolfspraulnot that bad complacency sets in here11:37
wpwrak(1 billion) yeah, show those apple dweebs ! :)11:38
wolfspraulthey will reach it before us, but who cares11:38
wolfspraul1 billion is a good number11:39
wolfspraulif we sell less than that, we failed on impact. and free software should be powerful enough to create something useful for 1 billion users. so... that's my goal now. at least it's a precise number :-)11:39
wpwraki need to get rejon to show off his M1. yesterday, he kept it a little secret11:40
wolfspraulwhy that?11:40
wolfsprauldid you see it in action yourself yet?11:40
wpwraki'd be satisfied with sustainability :)11:40
wpwraknope11:40
wolfspraulI think his software is also a bit old11:40
wolfspraulwpwrak: the 1 billion is for the copyleft hardware mission statement, unrelated to our short term goals11:41
wpwrakdoes he know how to field-upgrade ?11:41
wolfspraulhe should, we did together once or twice11:41
wolfsprauljust plug in jtag cable, run script11:41
wolfspraulmaybe he doesn't want to take chances since it works now11:42
wpwrakokay, for the whole movement. doesn't have to be qi-hw alone then11:42
wolfspraulyes sure11:42
wpwrakhmm. need to check if he brought the jtag cable11:42
wolfspraulthat's a regular USB cable11:42
wolfspraulhe has it all, no worries11:42
wpwrakwill the latest sw have better effects ? or justfewer bugs and more "exotic" features ?11:43
wolfspraulhard to say since it's progressing everywhere11:43
wpwrakbut jtag is also the little board, no ?11:43
wolfspraulyes but that's always inserted11:43
wpwrakah, i see11:43
wolfspraulwell maybe try with what's on it first11:44
wolfspraulbut you definitely need music11:45
wolfspraulwithout music it's a very dry experience11:45
wpwrakdo we have some good cc-by* tracks somewhere ?11:46
wolfspraulwpwrak: not really, the situation there is dire12:11
wpwrakmmh :-(12:12
wolfspraulyou can try jamenda.com or ccmixter.org12:12
wpwrakshould have brought my kaossilator then12:12
wolfspraulsorry jamendo.com12:12
wolfspraulbut both are very flawed imho12:12
wpwrakcould someone with faster internet access please try ? :)12:12
wolfspraulvery bad web interface, bad browsing, bad players, bad ranking/rating, bad for exploring new things, bad for downloading, lots of -nc and -nd and other restrictions mixed in with the free stuff12:13
wpwrakbad interface = ideal with slow links and small screens :)12:13
wolfspraulif an itunes product manager is ever accidentally lost on those websites, he will cry badly12:13
wolfspraulbut that's the best I know, and if there were better ones Jon would have told me. he knows the situation best (but I'm sure for the most part he agrees with my assessment)12:14
wolfspraulthere's classical music on wikimedia commons12:15
wpwrakwell, if someone could find 1-2 decent tracks, that would help12:15
wolfspraulhow slow is slow? http://dig.ccmixter.org/dig?dig-lic=safe12:16
wolfspraulcan you go there?12:16
wolfspraullet me find something...12:16
wpwrak(classical) may be tricky to re-interpret this for M1 effects12:16
wpwrakslow = foraging isn't much fun12:17
wolfspraulhttp://ccmixter.org/content/George_Ellinas/George_Ellinas_-_Mine_Yours_Ours.mp312:17
wolfspraulcc-by12:17
wpwrakdownloading ...12:22
wpwrakthe wlan here would be faster with wpan :)12:22
wpwrakhmm, quite good. frequencies sound a little off, but that may just be my laptop12:25
wpwrakthe lyrics seem appropriate - i wonder when rejon will wake up :)12:26
wpwrakgot one more ?12:28
wpwrakafk for a bit12:31
wpwrakoh, rejon was here. didn't even notice12:47
`antonio`Hi, I am trying to develop a GUI in nanonote, so I am working with SDL and C but I am having some problems,13:17
`antonio`can anyone link me some games or application developed using SDL that I can refer to ? 13:18
viricmethril_work: I sent your CV to the brasilian owner14:01
kristianpaul`antonio`: may be Freedroid, bu i remenber libSDL webpage have some examples14:27
`antonio`kristianpaul, thanks i'll have a look 14:28
kristianpaulalso i think in this project (http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/ben-wpan/) there is SDL code somwhere, you just need find it14:30
kristianpaulbbl14:30
`antonio`excellent i'll have a look14:31
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: switch linux-zigbee tools source from (old) tarball to git repository (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/2d9615215:55
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/Makefile (BEN_DIRS): add dirtpan iff its lowpan tools dependency is met (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e3066d715:55
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: xxx (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/c705bf015:55
wpwrakrejon: newsflash: there are lunch vouchers16:00
wpwrakrejon: so if you hadn't had food yet, you may want to grab one16:00
rejonok, great16:02
rejonwill grab16:02
kristianpaulwpwrak: i was wrong all the time, osgps dont support complex data as the sige chip was avaliable at time just provided real16:26
sid_http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ben_NanoNote_New_User_Guide#Power_state_transitions17:20
sid_is /sys/class/power_supply/battery/voltage_min_design minimum power which is needed for nn?17:21
sid_or how do i have to understand it17:21
larscsid_: basically when the battery reaches the minimum it is empty17:31
sid_thanks, it was in storage and i got some strange values like -40%, which where a bit confusing. 17:33
sid_do you have any experience in charging li ion?17:35
larscother than putting it into a charger, no17:39
sid_^^ me too, but with n900 (usb is broken) it looks like it works18:06
sid_bye18:06
kristianpaulgrr, damn small resitor and my lackness of good flux to make it back its new place18:17
zearlarsc, is the ~2sec waiting time after you press the power button still present in the recent firmware?18:22
kristianpaulphew.. finally R47K moved from R9 to R1418:57
kristianpaul1hr trying :)18:57
kristianpaulthe trick was use tiny blobs of tin in the ends18:59
kristianpaulwpwrak: hey !, how was embeeded linux talk?19:00
wpwraki wasn't there. 9am is a deal-breaker :)19:03
kristianpauljaja19:06
larscas long as you don't miss your own talk everything is fine19:12
kristianpaul=]19:15
kristianpaulhum, where is my 16Mhz sampling clock19:19
wpwraklarsc: indeed. and i had it already ;-)19:19
kristianpaulokay, real its working19:48
kristianpaulreal mode*19:48
kristianpaulnow back to sapling :)19:48
zrafawhere is tuxbrain??20:07
TesseractSimple question, if I have an ipk file, how do I install it on the nanonote?21:54
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